Pinoy Utility Vehicle Bibili ba kau?

[safeorigin]

gawa nga rin ako ng design maybe within this week. submit ko na lang. hehehe nu kayang pangalan ng brand? hmmm... "carabao"? "agila"? "lapu-lapu"? ngeeeheeeheee, MADI! ano kayang pwedeng ipangalan?

[bhongskie]

I will support this initiative!

+1 !

[mazdamazda]

oo nga sayang lang pagod nila. wala naman sila malalaking factories. kung meron man car manufacturers na puwede magbaba, mga leading car brands lang yan kasi automated na production nila.

not being anti-filipino or anti-sariling atin, pero reality check na lang.

Yup...

Anyway - there is already a Made in the Philippines vehicle which is being exported abroad: Mazda Tribute, Mazda3, Ford Escape, Ford Focus, Isuzu Crosswind.

If we really want to support our local automotive industry realistically, just patronize the said products.

Having our "own" automotible brand to be "patrioritc" is a bit silly when most Filipinos buy Colgate (made in Thailand) rather than Hapee (proudly made in the Philippines). :rofl:

[architect]

Having our "own" automobille brand to be "patriotic" is a bit silly when most Filipinos buy Colgate (made in Thailand) rather than Hapee (proudly made in the Philippines). :rofl:

It is not just about being patriotic. I guess you are simply too young to remember the days when "Colgate" was synonymous with toothpaste. The very idea of having a competitor, much less a locally produced one, was simply unthinkable. Yet today we have several local players who have managed to carved out their respective market niches.

Progress has to start somewhere. The concept of a locally designed/produced automobile is a worthwhile undertaking, if only to say yes we can. Who knows, from these efforts, a progressive car might be developed locally (fuel-saving, modular, etc.) Even if we don't achieve that but if in the process, we are able to develop affordable car components, then we would have still achieved something.

What is wrong with attempting? After all, we will never know how far we can reach if we don't take the initial steps.

[jedi]

hmmm, maganda kung tawaging opensource vehicle ito..... hehehehe para the specs and design ng vehicle will be based sa mga inputs nga mga tao heheh

[architect]

Kinda like the old (US Model) Nissan Pulsar NX with a modular rear? You can configure that car as a coupe, hatchback or open-top.

I guess this would really make it attractive for local drivers as it would play right onto our penchant for customizing our cars - just like the interchangeable express covers of Nokia phones.

[jonski]

kung ok naman eh why not? lahat naman nag uumpisa sa wala kasy support ko ito.

[k2tingx]

sad to say ang daming pessimist regarding this project... siguro kung majority dito will think negatively, this purpose will not come to pass, thus nothing will happen!!!

mabuti na lang at may ilang optimist, regardless of hardships and criticisms, they have the initiative to promote "sariling-atin"... lets give them a chance.. lets give "US" THE CHANCE!!!

[k2tingx]

during the early days of korean cars, their products were synonymous to 2nd hand euro/US/japan made cars, it lacks safety and features... nonetheless, koreans patronize their own product, to great extent, koreans promote a shame-propaganda to those who dont embrace this patriotic act...

look at them now... this is the answer on the other thread , WHY PHILIPPINES LAG BEHIND in ASIA, we lost patriotism....tsk..tsk..tsk

again, lets give them the chance, look at the brighter side... if they fall then then outstretch a hand... if the succeed... ALHAMDULALAH!!!

[Jun aka Pekto]

I've always been a proponent of the Philippines having its own heavy industry, be it automobiles, aircraft, ships, military arms. That way, money spent remains in the Philippines as does the profits.

Building foreign cars in the Philippines doesn't really add much to the development of the country and profits go right back to Japan and other home countries. It's like assembling a pc. Any Joe, including myself, can assemble one. I've been assembling pc's since 1992. Yet, I'm no closer to designing my own motherboard, cpu, or video card. That know-how remains in Taiwan, the US, and other countries that actually design those components.

It's the same with those automobile plants in the Philippines. They just assemble whatever the designers in Japan wants them to assemble.

That's why it's important for the Philippines to have its own homegrown industries. Aside from profits, the technical experience gained will be the most valuable aspect not to mention pride at the accomplishment.

[oldblue]

ang nakikita ko lang patriotic act that can make this possible is: (1) for local businessfolks to invest money in this endeavor without the assurance of periodic interest/returns, (2) for the govt to make this project tax-free at all levels (from import, municipal, environment, employee taxes), (3) for the entire filipino people to promise to buy the product regardless if it's a flop or a success on its first launch.

are you patroitic enough to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome?

[k2tingx]

MID 90s, when TATA motors prolifirate the streets of Colombo, my BOSS, a french/algerian descent criticise our service (TATA truck) comparing it to a running coffin.. he even uttered that it will never run the roads other than INDIA...

look now... they acquired Daewoo Commercial Vehicle Co., 21% stake in HISPANO Carrocera, Spanish Bus Maker, and a joint venture with Brazil bus-builder MARCOPOLO, they have signed a memorandum of understanding with FIAT to establish an industrial joint to built passenger vehicles, engines and transmission..

koreans, indians, malaysians.. they all started from scratch..

[SIZE="4"]if they can.. FILIPINO CAN!!! [/SIZE]

[Jun aka Pekto]

are you patroitic enough to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome?

Yup. Heck, if there were jeepneys in the US and streetlegal, I'd buy one along with fancy horn and colorful trimmings.

People would know right away I'm Pinoy. No need for the Pinoy flag on the cars:

[k2tingx]

I've always been a proponent of the Philippines having its own heavy industry, be it automobiles, aircraft, ships, military arms. That way, money spent remains in the Philippines as does the profits.

Building foreign cars in the Philippines doesn't really add much to the development of the country and profits go right back to Japan and other home countries. It's like assembling a pc. Any Joe, including myself, can assemble one. I've been assembling pc's since 1992. Yet, I'm no closer to designing my own motherboard, cpu, or video card. That know-how remains in Taiwan, the US, and other countries that actually design those components.

It's the same with those automobile plants in the Philippines. They just assemble whatever the designers in Japan wants them to assemble.

That's why it's important for the Philippines to have its own homegrown industries. Aside from profits, the technical experience gained will be the most valuable aspect not to mention pride at the accomplishment.

...Damn right!!! glad to see positive views out there!!!

[chua_riwap]

Yup. Heck, if there were jeepneys in the US and streetlegal, I'd buy one along with fancy horn and colorful trimmings.

People would know right away I'm Pinoy. No need for the Pinoy flag on the cars:

I salute you, Sir!

[k2tingx]

ang nakikita ko lang patriotic act that can make this possible is: (1) for local businessfolks to invest money in this endeavor without the assurance of periodic interest/returns, (2) for the govt to make this project tax-free at all levels (from import, municipal, environment, employee taxes), (3) for the entire filipino people to promise to buy the product regardless if it's a flop or a success on its first launch.

are you patroitic enough to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome?

i respect your view sir.... i understand your point!

but im sorry to disappoint you, im willing to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome.

[oldblue]

i respect your view sir.... i understand your point!

but im sorry to disappoint you, im willing to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome.

good for you.

[architect]

ang nakikita ko lang patriotic act that can make this possible is: (1) for local businessfolks to invest money in this endeavor without the assurance of periodic interest/returns, (2) for the govt to make this project tax-free at all levels (from import, municipal, environment, employee taxes), (3) for the entire filipino people to promise to buy the product regardless if it's a flop or a success on its first launch.

are you patroitic enough to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome?

Let me address the concerns you raised -

1. There are all sorts of investors and investment vehicles. Generally speaking - low risk, low yield; high risk, high yield. For medium to high risks there is no such thing as guaranteed returns. But sometimes the yield goes beyond monetary.

2. The BOI offers several types of tax holiday packages (from locating in a EPZ or availing of pioneering status). While these will help at the initial stages of the project, ultimately the project's success will depend on the viability of the resultant product.

3. Depending on how the project is structured, break-even point may not require voluminous sales. Instead what is critical is sustainability - sales over time. This can be achieved with a product that is continuously upgraded and enhanced even as production cost is reduced through efficiency and economics of scale.

4. As to just waiting for the product to be released and forking out P350K, I think the question should be (for those who are in a position to contribute - technically, financially, marketing, etc.) - how can I help ensure the end-product is what I want?

The tsikot.com community has grown to be significant. I am sure our collective voices will be heard. Moreover, I think we have the requisite skills among ourselves to come up with our own prototype design. Perhaps we can suggest, or even build one ourselves. Not so much as to compete with MVPMAP but to provide the impetus for them to make sure they do a good job.

[mazdamazda]

Progress has to start somewhere. The concept of a locally designed/produced automobile is a worthwhile undertaking, if only to say yes we can. Who knows, from these efforts, a progressive car might be developed locally (fuel-saving, modular, etc.) Even if we don't achieve that but if in the process, we are able to develop affordable car components, then we would have still achieved something.

What is wrong with attempting? After all, we will never know how far we can reach if we don't take the initial steps.

Ummm...

That has already been done before... a "PH UV" concept is already existing in the form of the Suzuki Bravo and Norkis Legacy / Privacy / etc.

Or does adding a "PH" to the "UV" make things more patriotic?

but im sorry to disappoint you, im willing to shell out 350k regardless of the outcome.

So... would you buy a Made in the RP Norkis Legacy?

[architect]

Ummm...

That has already been done before... a "PH UV" concept is already existing in the form of the Suzuki Bravo and Norkis Legacy / Privacy / etc.

Or does adding a "PH" to the "UV" make things more patriotic?


...so what is wrong with taking it to the next level?

Are we to assume that the latest efforts won't be an improvement over past attempts? We just have to be patient and accept that progress is not always via leaps and bounds but sometimes through small and sturdy steps.