The most overrated car in the Philippines is...

[mazdamazda]

In terms of resale price (NOT performance), it might be the Honda Civic SiR.


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[JCBalunsat]

In terms of resale price (NOT performance), it might be the Honda Civic SiR.


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An SiR can range from 300 - 400k. Outrageous? That i don't know for sure.

[hitomi]

the gas SUV (expedition, escalade, excursion) is an overrated vehicle here.
with gas prices through the roof and environmental awareness reaching more people,
i'm surprised people still love these things.
(why won't US manufacturers release their diesel variants here anyway?)

[mazdamazda]

An SiR can range from 300 - 400k. Outrageous? That i don't know for sure.

You also have to consider that the SiR was selling for just 700K+ when brand new. Given that it is almost a decade old, losing just 50% of its value is "overrated" in my opinion.

[theveed]

I can't consider the Mazdas and Fords (sedans) overrated because of one thing... popularity...

Frankly, the Mazdas and Fords are nowhere near the popularity of their Honda/Toyota counterparts, if they're not popular to begin with, they can't be overrated based on the context of this thread.

[mazingerZ]

I totally agree with you sir mazda. There is this belief that Hondas have a higher resale value as compared to other sedans. Take the case of Nissan Sentras (EX Saloons, Super Touring, super saloons) which have undeserved low resale values. I'll create a thread for underrated vehicles na rin with the permission this thread's starter, if its ok.

[redorange]

The two most overrated vehicles mentioned here SiR and Fortuner really aren't the problem but their owner's. People buy the SiR and think they are faster than any car around and then they put ugly looking kits on it. What the owner does doesn't make the vehicle less capable on it's own merit. The Fortuner was bought by people who didn't consider that it's truck based, then they complained that the ride was rough because it wasn't car like. Well it's not a car, it's a truck and it will ride like a truck should have known that before buying it. Was it over hyped? Yes. But buyers also knew they were being taken advantage of and still bought it to keep up with their neighbor who had one, that is not Toyota's fault. Someone also mentioned the H2, but a lot of the owner's have put ugly bling 20+" wheels on it and have taken the off road cability from the truck. The vehicle is very capable off roading with strong mechanicals. Is it a gas guzzler? Yes, but that's not a secret so if you buy it thinking you'll get good fuel consumption you're in for a surprise. You can't call it overrated because it has no diesel version, after all if GM puts one in the H2 it will probably be the 6.6L Duramax and people will still complain about it's diesel consumption. All three vehicles are good in performing what they were designed for so I can't see how they can be overrated. Underrated I'd have to agree with the Samurai and will add the Jimny.

[deedee]

the gas SUV (expedition, escalade, excursion) is an overrated vehicle here.
with gas prices through the roof and environmental awareness reaching more people,
i'm surprised people still love these things.
(why won't US manufacturers release their diesel variants here anyway?)

the reason why they dont release the diesel variant is because there are no diesel engine expedition or escalade in the US neither.
on the honda SIR...its pretty much the same here in the US.every teenager gets a civic.throws in a muffler,intake(give or take headers) some custom tune and they think that they just added 300HP on the damn car.
cant race a car if the wheel bolt torque is higher than the car's Hp/torque

[-=Henderson=-]

Well, it's just that Filipinos are talking about SiR's like god-like beings. It's fast, it's this, it's that. I really would hope that Silvia's , Skyline's, MR2's etc. were distrubuted locally para naman hindi puro SiR SiR SiR. Nakakarindi kasi e.

SUV's.. Definitely the Fortuner

S14 Silvias were sold locally back in 97-98, same time as the eclipse was. Only 75 units were shipped. 40 units first shipment, 35 the second. And only the first unit was the original factory manual. These days, alot of the matic Silvias are converted to manual tranny narin.

[-=Henderson=-]

As for the most over-rated vehicle in the Philippines, in my opinion it's the Honda civic from the Esi to the Sir. Their resale value just won't go down! And that's good, extra change when we sold ours before

[JCBalunsat]

S14 Silvias were sold locally back in 97-98, same time as the eclipse was. Only 75 units were shipped. 40 units first shipment, 35 the second. And only the first unit was the original factory manual. These days, alot of the matic Silvias are converted to manual tranny narin.

Were the S14's that were sold locally turbo charged? I'm not really sure if in Japan they sold with turbo but Damn I would wan 1 of those. hehe. Mahal siguro ng parts and they're hard to find, don't you think?

[JCBalunsat]

I totally agree with you sir mazda. There is this belief that Hondas have a higher resale value as compared to other sedans. Take the case of Nissan Sentras (EX Saloons, Super Touring, super saloons) which have undeserved low resale values. I'll create a thread for underrated vehicles na rin with the permission this thread's starter, if its ok.

Sure sir. That will be the next thread that I was thinking but then go ahead.

[KBR]

the gas SUV (expedition, escalade, excursion) is an overrated vehicle here.
with gas prices through the roof and environmental awareness reaching more people,
i'm surprised people still love these things.
(why won't US manufacturers release their diesel variants here anyway?)

not only that there is no Diesel versions of the Escalade or the Expedition (Excursion, meron Deisel.. but its way more expensive than the gas powered V10!!), but the thing about Diesel engines is that they are not environmentally friendly. also, Diesel Fuel costs as much as Gasoline over here in the US. although, Diesel engines consume less fuel, they still affect the environment in a bad way.

anywayz, going back to the topic. I really think that the Honda Civic (from the based model DX, to the sporty Si *or SiR in the Philippines*) is the most Overrated car in the Philippines.. and even here in the US.

specially in the Filipino community.. naku po, lahat ata ng kabataan dito, naka Honda Civic (from the DX to the Si's!, coupe, sedan or hatchback, ang dami nila!) well, kahit na Acura RSX eh, lahat meron sila! jusko, talagang nakakasuya! lolz!


aite, peace.

[JCBalunsat]

If I was in the US, why would I settle for less. Go BIG! 1969 Camaro SS or kung tuner, WRX. Mas madali kasi mag ka kotse sa tate kesa dito. Credit Card lang katapat! hahaha!

[HyBrideVo]

The Civic SIR is overrated globally :rofl01:

[ridihil]

Totoo. magandang sasakyan nga siya pero masakit sya sa bulsa parts and all. Pero I've seen some people put money on these babies and they can beat the "O so Powerful SiR" na sagad din. No turbo's, no supercharger, no dark side mods. Pure N/A. Natawa nga kami kasi yung SiR ang sabi "Pare, supecharged ka ata e". :hysterical:

i definitely agree sir... back then 116hp eh uber powerful na.. the B13 (sentra eccs) had this GA16DE engine na... which is sobrang bilis talaga...

back then subic racers use the sentra, gaya ni Jodi Coseteng and others and lagi podium yun!

Hondas are really overrated eh heard kinakalawang naman agad ang bubong

Toyotas are overrated din... pero real world performance? wala din...

OT: about the expensive parts of Nissan, Nissan Mantrade i heard are still offering parts for the series 3 sentras and below at very affordable prices... like yung brake pads yata wala pang 500 or 1000 and all of those are OEM.....

[niky]

RE: Lynx RS versus SiR versus 4AGE 20V Corolla.

An older AE89 or AE92 Corolla with a swapped in 20V engine is much faster than an SIR... heck, a Sentra Series II or Series III (non-Exalta) with an SR20DE can probably leave it for dead.

The reason? Weight. The SIR weighs about 1170-1200 kilograms (near as I can figure), whereas the older Corolla weighs about 1000 kilos or less, and a Series III Sentra with the SR20 weighs just over 1000 kilos (this is Ghosthunter's new "toy" ). That lack of weight makes the older Corolla more agile and more accelerative... a Sentra with the SR20, on the other hand, has both more torque and less weight.... the Series II SE-R in the US, in fact, could beat the Honda Integra of its time in a drag race, thanks to the robust torque of the SR20 engine.

The Lynx RS? Our 2.0 is pure crap. Lots of torque, but a really breathless top-end... medyo bitin ang power niya, especially stock. And the RS weighs 1235 kilos (dry). Yet, with similar mods, the RS only loses out to the SiR in a straight out drag race. Running through the gears at high speed, the differences are minimal.

Right now, my car probably has much more power than a stock SiR through the powerband (though the SiR still has better peak power), but I'm still heavier. I don't know if I could beat one in a drag. I did leave a near-stock RS for dead the other day (and he texted later that he was actually trying to keep up)...

But on track? Bring 'em on. The RS has the best rear suspension of the bunch, the best steering, and is more stable than most of those older cars in the corners. It's on the straights where we lack pace. It's also a great car through the slaloms, though it's probably too heavy to be competitive in the autocross.

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In other words... the fastest compact on Philippine roads (besides the ridiculously expensive Subies and Evos) is the Focus TDCi. :hysterical:

[Flagg]

tingin ko overrated ang mga bmw's.

Ahem! :swear: Sa bagay, totoo nga ito sa 316i.

[scharnhorst]

Someone also mentioned the H2, but a lot of the owner's have put ugly bling 20+" wheels on it and have taken the off road cability from the truck. The vehicle is very capable off roading with strong mechanicals.

If I remember, there was an issue concerning the hummer h2 with the inadequate strength of the tie rods. Perhaps it would have been better if GM designed a chassis specifically for the vehicle.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those environmentalists who'd like to set ablaze H2's, and neither am I a jeep fan.

[SaberRider]

overrated=overexposed=overpopulated?

Fortuner, Civic luma model, lancer itlog, isuzu trooper/big horn and crosswind(gamit kasi pang escort vehicles sa mga ating dearly hated politicians)