the REAL Truth about GOJI JUICE..tsk tsk...

[uls]

sick people feel better after drinking fruit juice coz sick people usually have nutritional deficiencies

that's it

sick people who take pharma drugs but do not eat right don't get well

pharma drugs do not cure deficiencies

the right food does

there's nothing special about goji

it's just a fruit juice

[safeorigin]

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs.../acm.2008.0004

clinical study :P

[uls]

from the above link:

Conclusions: These results clearly indicate that daily consumption of GoChi for 14 days increases subjective feelings of general well-being, and improves neurologic/psychologic performance and gastrointestinal functions. The data strongly suggest that further research is indicated to confirm and extend knowledge of the potential effects of Lycium barbarum upon human health.

and, if you eat right, exercise, get enough sleep, you also will have feelings of general well-being and improved neurologic/psychologic performance and gastrointestinal functions

i would like to see clinical tests on really sick people

like let Cory Aquino drink goji and see if she'll walk out of Makati med

[bender]

The problem i see with similar businesses is that the people who are selling the products normally use scientific/technical jargon that they don't understand or use anecdotal situations that are hard to objectively verify.

[uls]

goji pushers are promoting its high antioxidant level

want high antioxidants?

take 2 grams of generic vitamin C a day

Rhea 500mg tablets cost less than P2 each

[Zeus]

OT: How about Fern C or Vital C? uso rin ito ngayon e...

[ghosthunter]

The problem i see with similar businesses is that the people who are selling the products normally use scientific/technical jargon that they don't understand or use anecdotal situations that are hard to objectively verify.

Same with people selling fuel saving gadgets and additives.

[ghosthunter]

OT: How about Fern C or Vital C? uso rin ito ngayon e...

Same goes with RED JUICE. Sells for over P2000 at Mercury Drug (over the counter).

[uls]

Fern C is overpriced vitamin C

ok, so it is non acidic (sodium ascorbate)

you can buy other brands of sodium ascorbate at a fraction of the price of Fern C

if you can tolerate high doses of ascorbic acid, no need for non-acidic vitamin c

[uls]

Same goes with RED JUICE. Sells for over P2000 at Mercury Drug (over the counter).

ya kita ko din yan

i read the ingredients

it's just fruits and veggies

[Zeus]

Fern C is overpriced vitamin C

ok, so it is non acidic (sodium ascorbate)

you can buy other brands of sodium ascorbate at a fraction of the price of Fern C

if you can tolerate high doses of ascorbic acid, no need for non-acidic vitamin c

So like Goji, kumikita rin ng malaki mga agents nito...umiinom mother ko niyan e, ano yun mas murang replacement niyan? meron ba itong sangkap na wala sa ibang vitamin c?

[ghosthunter]

ya kita ko din yan

i read the ingredients

it's just fruits and veggies

yup! mostly common stuff.

http://www.redjuice.org/html/redjuice_ingredients.htm

[ghosthunter]

So like Goji, kumikita rin ng malaki mga agents nito...umiinom mother ko niyan e, ano yun mas murang replacement niyan? meron ba itong sangkap na wala sa ibang vitamin c?

Maybe a healthy mix of fresh fruits in season?

[uls]

expect a lot more promotions of new food supplements

the Philippine market for food supplements is still underdeveloped

people are not yet well informed

kaya they have to name their supplements after the internal organ they are supposed to protect/nourish (liveraide, heartvit etc)

i was a supplement junkie (up to now still a bit hehe)

i started trying stuff years ago few people have ever heard of like N-acetylcysteine, alpha lipoic acid, NADH... just to see if the stuff would make me immortal hehe

[Zeus]

Maybe a healthy mix of fresh fruits in season?

Thanks GH alam ko sinasayang lang pera sa mga yan e

[uls]

So like Goji, kumikita rin ng malaki mga agents nito...umiinom mother ko niyan e, ano yun mas murang replacement niyan? meron ba itong sangkap na wala sa ibang vitamin c?

well, goji definitely has a lot more stuff in it than just vitamin C

it has other vitamins and minerals and phytochemicals etc

point is, if you can get those stuff from goji, why can't you get the same stuff from fruits native to the Phils?

sa dami ng berries and fruits available dito sa Pinas, sigurado may berry and fruit dito na meron kung ano meron ang goji

sa Earth naman galing ang goji diba? di naman galing sa ibang planeta

go to a fruit stand

[_Cathy_]

Same goes with RED JUICE. Sells for over P2000 at Mercury Drug (over the counter).

WTF!?!??!! P2000 for a bottle of juice! That's not even 2 liters. I think I'll just buy a box of V8 Tropical Blend or kilos and kilos of different fruits. How much is that Goji Juice anywa?

[uls]

ang tolerance ko sa presyo ng fruit juice hanggang Welch's grape na malaki

beyond that i won't buy it

[Tailhook]

clearly, the sellers, distributors and agents of these 'health supplements' are violating the law. and yet, no one seems to mind and no one is doing something about it especially the government agencies tasked for this like the DOH, the DTI. here's an excerpt from our law:
REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7394
THE CONSUMER ACT OF THE PHILIPPINES


TITLE III
PROTECTION AGAINST DECEPTIVE, UNFAIR AND
UNCONSCIONABLE SALES ACTS OR PRACTICES

CHAPTER I
DECEPTIVE, UNFAIR AND UNCONSCIONABLE
SALES ACTS OR PRACTICES

Art. 48. Declaration of Policy. - The State shall promote and encourage fair, honest and equitable relations among parties in consumer transactions and protect the consumer against deceptive, unfair and unconscionable sales acts or practices.

Art. 49. Implementing Agency. - The Department of Trade and Industry, hereby referred to as the Department, shall enforce the provisions of this Chapter.

REGULATION OF SALES ACTS AND PRACTICES

Art. 50. Prohibition Against Deceptive Sales Acts or Practices. - A deceptive act or practice by a seller or supplier in connection with a consumer transaction violates this Act whether it occurs before, during or after the transaction. An act or practice shall be deemed deceptive whenever the producer, manufacturer, supplier or seller, through concealment, false representation of fraudulent manipulation, induces a consumer to enter into a sales or lease transaction of any consumer product or service.

Without limiting the scope of the above paragraph, the act or practice of a seller or supplier is deceptive when it represents that:

(a) a consumer product or service has the sponsorship, approval, performance, characteristics, ingredients, accessories, uses, or benefits it does not have;


(b) a consumer product or service is of a particular standard, quality, grade, style, or model when in fact it is not;


Art. 51. Deceptive Sales Act or Practices By Regulation. - The Department shall, after due notice and hearing, promulgate regulations declaring as deceptive any sales act, practice or technique which is a misrepresentation of facts other than these enumerated in Article 50.

Art. 52. Unfair or Unconscionable Sales Act or Practice. - An unfair or unconscionable sales act or practice by a seller or supplier in connection with a consumer transaction violates this Chapter whether it occurs before, during or after the consumer transaction. An act or practice shall be deemed unfair or unconscionable whenever the producer, manufacturer, distributor, supplier or seller, by taking advantage of the consumer's physical or mental infirmity, ignorance, illiteracy, lack of time or the general conditions of the environment or surroundings, induces the consumer to enter into a sales or lease transaction grossly inimical to the interests of the consumer or grossly one-sided in favor of the producer, manufacturer, distributor, supplier or seller.
In determining whether an act or practice is unfair and unconscionable, the following circumstances shall be considered:

(a) that the producer, manufacturer, distributor, supplier or seller took advantage of the inability of the consumer to reasonably protect his interest because of his inability to understand the language of an agreement, or similar factors;


(b) that when the consumer transaction was entered into, the price grossly exceeded the price at which similar products or services were readily obtainable in similar transaction by like consumers;

(c) that when the consumer transaction was entered into, the consumer was unable to receive a substantial benefit from the subject of the transaction;

(d) that when the consumer was entered into, the seller or supplier was aware that there was no reasonable probability or payment of the obligation in full by the consumer; and

(e) that the transaction that the seller or supplier induced the consumer to enter into was excessively one-sided in favor of the seller or supplier.

[pinoyaco]

Oh my, the thread is on fire! XD

again, it's a freaking fruit juice

the guy goes out of his way to defend a fruit juice

why the hell would anyone go out of his way to defend a fruit juice?!

To clear thing up, I'm not a guy. ^.~

Now let's replace the words "fruit juice" with say - health care plans. Or auto loans. Or even the very shaky religious belief.

Why? Because it all depends upon what you believe in. If you believe in health care plans, or auto loans, or God, or even the positive benefits of tobacco as opposed to the popular and research-based findings that carcinogens are bad for you (a lot of our indigenous people enjoy their tobaccos in old age and even brag about being smokers for more than half of their lives), you'd go out of the way to defend it. I believe in Goji juice because I use it and, again, as I have mentioned time and again, it works for me.

Let's not be hypocrites here. Think of a time that you have defended something that people you know find risible or even pathetic like a freaking fruit juice. If you can't remember such a time, then I must say I find that quite unfortunate, as a lot of the things in life are based on faith.

The scientifc studies and researches? They're still up to faith, as you're pinning your belief on the people or group behind said studies and researches. You may say "Ah, it's Bayer-researched (or made), so it must be awesome,because Bayer's Aspirin has helped millions and they're the third largest pharmaceutical company in the world," but it's still up to you on what you experience with their product. In the end, you don't pin your faith in the studies, but the people behind them.

(And Bayer? It's just the company that sponsored the infamous Josef Mengele - who just happened to be the dear doctor of Auschwitz - of course, this is still subjected to, guess what, faith in researches about Bayer and Mengele! awesome, isn't it?)

goji juice, mangosteen, jim's coffee, diabetrol, iridology, noni juice, redjuice, liveraide (insert any other overpriced 'no therapeutic claims' quack remedy in the market today), etc..... are some examples of proof that:

- a sucker is born every minute
- the placebo effect
- man's greed will always prevail over his compassion for his fellow man
- celebrity endorsers are morons
- some doctors have no scruples or principles by endorsing these products
- etc, etc, etc.

It's also proof that some things work on others and some don't. And also -

- a skeptic may either dispute a claim or not simply by testing it
- a lot prefer to play safe than take risks
- when someone professes to experience the benefits of what is dubbed a miracle juice/drug/pill, he is automatically accused as a marketer and/or a heartless cad who wishes nothing but to further himself
- a lot can't admit to themselves that whether they believe so or not, they do benefit over other people, as much as fastfood chains take advantage of the hungry and impatient masses, or as much as oil companies take advantage of auto owners who needed fuel to reach their destinations, or as much as CSRs take advantage of irate consumers who call to ask what the heck is wrong with the product they bought
- many like to make sweeping remarks without merit, forgetting that generalization is a fallacy and to put it simply, unfair to certain endorsers who truly use the product or service they are advertising and experience its benefits
- etc. etc. etc.

If this goji juice is as good as it claims, why not go to hospitals, especially government run hospitals, and give the juice to the terminal patients and let them take it for a few months for free. Kung gumaling lahat ng mga patients dun e di naka libre na kayo sa mga marketing laway nyo.

Napunto mo!In fact, that's what I want to do, only in a less-ambitious term. I won't go into details because I know that some will just go "then do it!" or "nasabi mo lang yan kasi me nag-mention." I'm still spending for a family so I don't have the means as of yet.

Now, if other products are as good as they claim, then shouldn't they be going to hospitals, especially government run hospitals, and give their products to the terminal patients and let them take it for a few months for free as well?

Let's face facts - a lot of things aren't free, and those who say that they have something free of charge forgets that someone else pays for it.

As for a diabetic like me, I have been hearing a lot of drink this and that, eat this and that...

But the real culprit to our poor health starts from our lifestyle, diet, and poor eating habits lalu na sa mga kinakain natin ngayon!

Yes, and yung mga namamana rin natin sa parents natin! XD

I agree with you - more often than not, kasalanan din natin kung bat tayo umaabot sa punto na we have to rely on help outside of the agents of our body.

Eating the right kind of food especially fresh fruits and vegetables are the best for detoxification according to a lot of doctors!

There is a formula pa nga for a shake na talagang very effective.... Mix 4 different types of fresh fruits and 4 different types vegetables in a shake, drink it with an empty stomach for detox. Mapait ng kaunti but very healthy for you!

Haha, malas ko pala. XD I don't eat veggies and the only fruit I can claim that I'd eat without question is an apple. XD Pasaway e. And yes, a lot of doctors claim that, and I'm not disputing that. Things work differently for different people, yeah? ^_^

Wow, parang scary i-try a! XD But yeah, I'm glad you found something that works for you. ^_^

Nope. I don't actually want to call to receive the testimonial and sales pitch. All I want is the names, thank you.

Yes, I gather that. And I'm not obliged to give you those information freely, yeah? Those are personal - remember that Gloria boob-job leak? Even if I give you those info you are seeking, won't you be forcing a doctor to act against ethics by providing you with info just because you're curious to see if I'm telling the truth or not? Wouldn't you be helping him act against what he stands for?

Think about that.

(and eh, it's easy lift the phone and call - though I reckon I understand. sometimes, I don't call certain people because I feel kinda afraid of what I'm going to hear, too)

Goji juice, ice tea in a bottle, those medicine commercial makikita mo tv, same lang lahat yan, they claim this and that, but the best way pa rin ay baguhin natin ang poor lifestyle natin and the best way pa rin ay natural...i mean if you want to have a good health, instead drinking ice tea or powdered tea, gumamit ka talaga ng tea na leaves what chinese or japs do, you want juice, buy ka totoong orange then i juicer mo.

Goji the berry (not the juice) are being used by the chinese for quite some time now, we can buy this in dried form in any supermarket in the philippines, eto ay parang siling labuyo pag tiningnan, they use it in their soup (we use it often especially in duck soup with herbs), and also they sometimes put it in together with their tea. It has some health benefits coz if wala, then chinese people wouldnt use it, and we know chinese are a sucker for natural herbs.

Haha, exactly. XD We're a sucker for naturals. Heck, I'm still afraid of drinking green tea because I have bad memories from it! XD 'Course, I don't tell that to my grandma... >.>;;

The juice is just the extracted form from the berries - and specific berries at that, as Goji berry has over forty different kinds, as I recall.

hmm what if padala sa lab yung goji? baka naman me ibang supplements na halo?

kasi yung mga iba tulad ng liveraide, oo wala silang claim na gagaling ka pero me parang pang asist siya na pampagaling meron sa iba aandar sa iba hindi.

So baka malay natin itong goji na ito ay me supplements pang assist

just to clarify po hindi ako sumaside kahit kanino hehe:P

Haha, clarification not needed. I can see that by the way you write. ^_^

I don't personally know of anyone who claims to have been cured by Goji, like "hallelujah Goji cured me!" - I just know of many whose ailments have been eased by the juice. Goji juice is a food supplement, though I can't say for certain if it has other assisting supplements or not. I simply go by what I said that it works for me and a lot of people I know. ^_^

ang problema lang kasi me talagang di katrip trip na lasang tea:P

i preffer nalang na uminom ng tubig lagi water terapy ahhh haha kasi yun talga ang sa akin natural nung anjan mga taong gubat hindi naman uso ang tea eh? hehe opinion lang po

pero i believe maganda rin talaga effects ng totoong tea:P

Ice tea? Masarap yun a! XD

Water therapy's effective - it helped my brother with his sinus back then. And real tea is good for detox - huwag lang sosobra because it can eat the internal lining of our stomach. ^_^