Urgent! (can't find non-E10-gasoline)

[boy_tino]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4YiEBnJ_8"]YouTube- Will e85 conversion kits damage, ruin or harm my engine [NO!][/ame]


This video shows an engine from a Chevy Tahoe being inspected after running over 100,000 miles on E85, and how the internal engine components look like after using E85 for that long period.

There's a lot of myths surrounding bio-ethanol nowadays. No doubt it's corrosive, in it's 100% form, since it alkaline. But just diluting it to 85% was a good compromise on modern vehicles and still be able to maintain proper lubrication on the engine. Ilang taon na ring ginagamit sa ibang bansa ang E85 with much success. Hindi naman nakakapagtaka na merong nagsusupress sa technology, o nagpapasa ng mga false information, kasi naturally created ang bio-ethanol, fermentation lang ng vegetation. Natural hindi basta na lang uupo sa isang tabi ang mga oil companies sa ganyan katinding kompetisyon, lalo na pagini-introduce pa lang at bagong technology pa. Syempre di sila papayag masapawan agad ng bagong dating. Subconsciously na sinasabi sa mga tao na walang kwenta bio-ethanol gas. Samahan pa ng mga kwentong barbero, yari na.

Compared to E85, E10 is very little bio-ethanol concentration to worry about. It's a way to break in the public on what's new to come. Lower concentration muna sa atin sa umpisa dahil mas maraming mga older type vehicles or basic carburated engines sa atin kesa sa mga bago na fuel injection systems na, then gradually itataas na yan slowly, pero matagal na transition yan. I understand the concern since our carburated or other fuel feed system of older design. But until the concentration goes higher than E10, i can say it can be used with confidence, as long as the older cars or other EFI engine not compatible kuno are maintained properly as usual. The only thing that needed to be done to the is for the engine to be tuned properly to the fuel type (correcting the timing and carb mixture or right throttle adjustment for EFI). Otherwise, it will not run right, and you will experience some hesitations, jerks, sputters, etc. Or if it will make you feel better, you can upgrade the fuel system to something more modern, including the fuel pump, the lines, coated tank, modern carburator and fuel rail for EFI. Then have hardened valves installed, and your older engine like carburated should be ready for E85.


i think kaya marami na sa atin na hindi nagsasabi na hindi maganda ang bio-ethanol like like E10 dahil na brain-washed tayo masyado ng mga nagbibigay ng wrong information about ethanol mula sa mga anti-ethanol groups.

[koring]

Mga sir, baka gusto nyo i try sa UNI OIL malapit sa MCU near Monumento nagpa karga ako ilang beses sabi sakin ng mga gasoline boy na wala ng halong E10 ang gas nila both Quantum/premium gas and Unleaded gas nila.. and infront ng gasoline station nila ay ang Core OIl Station Unleaded gas palang nila ang may E10, try nyo kung malapit kayo sa Monumento area.

[redeemed]

Mga sir, baka gusto nyo i try sa UNI OIL malapit sa MCU near Monumento nagpa karga ako ilang beses sabi sakin ng mga gasoline boy na wala ng halong E10 ang gas nila both Quantum/premium gas and Unleaded gas nila.. and infront ng gasoline station nila ay ang Core OIl Station Unleaded gas palang nila ang may E10, try nyo kung malapit kayo sa Monumento area.

e sir, yun po bang mga small players may sariling refinery para makapag produce ng non-E10 blended gasoline? o they're getting it from big players din? so even do sinasabi nilang non-E10 pa yung ibang gas nila, pero meron na pala kasi nga wala naman silang refinery. what do you think guys?

[boy_tino]

e sir, yun po bang mga small players may sariling refinery para makapag produce ng non-E10 blended gasoline? o they're getting it from big players din? so even do sinasabi nilang non-E10 pa yung ibang gas nila, pero meron na pala kasi nga wala naman silang refinery. what do you think guys?

possible yan.

marami ako kakilala nagwowork na mismo sa planta ng mga kilalang big players ng oil company kapag ang isa ay medyo kakapusin ng stock dahil medyo matagal pang dumating ang supply para sa isang oil company na na ngangailangan para makapag benta ay humihiram din sila sa ka kakompetensya nila tapos yung parating naman na supply ay yun naman ang ipapalit nila sa hiniram nilang stock mula sa kakumpetensya nila.

[dod]

called up JETTI - Casals St. near quiapo... their fuels are still non e-10... Unleaded Plus (RON93) s priced at 43.90 and Prime (RON95) s priced at 44.40. will try it at my next fill-up... by the way, any feedback regarding JETTI?

[roberto_minosa]

i think kaya marami na sa atin na hindi nagsasabi na hindi maganda ang bio-ethanol like like E10 dahil na brain-washed tayo masyado ng mga nagbibigay ng wrong information about ethanol mula sa mga anti-ethanol groups.

I hate it, the car runs slower with it. I also get worse fuel mileage since I have to use the lead foot due to the power loss. But between Petron E10 Unleaded and Shell E10 Unleaded, Petron is worse; and Blaze doesn't help either.

[ghosthunter]

Also... E10 gasoline "spoils" so quickly in my fuel tank. Three to four weeks and the engine runs so poorly on it. This is compared to my last purchase of Petron XCS (without E10) which lasted five months.

[nic]

Share ko lang. Pinaayos ko carburetor ng Corolla 983 XE ko, pinalitan yung rubber plunger. SAbi ng mekaniko sa A&M dahil daw sa E10 fuel yun. (Napakargahan ko accidentally ng E10 kasi yung gas station na pinakargahan ko, walang sign na yung premium gas nila eh may halo nang ethanol.)

Ngayon sinasadya ko pa ang Jetti sa Macapagal para lang non-E10 ang maipakarga ko.

Babayaran kaya ni Migz Zubiri yung ginastos ko sa repair?

Kotse ko naka carb with e10- hard starting at takaw sa gas.

Magkano pagawa mo sa A&M?
Aside from A&M (at mga katabi sa Kamias Road) anong shops pa pwede gumawa ng fuel lines para maging e10 compatible?

Ang option nalang talaga natin mga naka-carb is gawing e10 compatible ang sasakyan. Ang hirap at impractical naman kung dadayuhin pa natin mga gas stations na walang e10.

[CVT]

UniOil here in Sucat Road, a few hundred meters away from SM Sucat,- pure gasoline pa rin...

9606:hippie:

[pup2]

The Jetti news is good for me, if true. Its the only small player close to my home/office e. Even PTT is on that crap and expensive ethanol now.

Naglaho parang bula yung fans ni Mr Sugar Baron Politician nung dumami na naka try ng ethanol a ...

[renzo_d10]

I hate e-10, period. It gives my car poor fuel economy thus making me go to gas stations more often than before.

And I don't know if you really would consider my " experience " as hard starting since, it still starts in one click ( thankfully ) but the " redondo " is longer than how it was before.

[james00112233]

Naglaho parang bula yung fans ni Mr Sugar Baron Politician nung dumami na naka try ng ethanol a ...

wala akong idea kung sinong politician yung nagpatupad nyan... pwede ko bang malaman kung sino yun para kung tatakbo man yan sa eleksyon eh hindi ko iboboto...
sorry for the OT...

[renzo_d10]

^ si miguel zubiri yata ang author ng biofuels act. ;)

[zner2525]

kahit pala Extreme97 ng seaoil may E10.. anyone have tried this? 40.90 lang ang price.. ang mura nito with 97+ octane rating kumpara sa iba.. yun nga lang, may halong E10.. Blaze has 96+ octane rating..

[d4nny]

It's sad that many disagree with the Bio-Fuel law. If we look beyond our parochial concerns we will see that it benefits the entire nation. It is one of the few laws passed in this decade that placed the welfare of the many over the concerns of the few.

In the long term, the positive impact of bio fuel use on the environment in terms of reduced harmful emissions far outweighs the impact it may have on a portion of the population who owns vehicles that might be adversely affected. Let's not forget that our vehicles burn fuel, and each time we drive, we contribute to polluting the environment. By reducing our carbon footprint we're decreasing the risk of ill-effects to millions of other non-car owning Filipinos.

Add to that the beneficial effect to our agricultural sector. Let's not forget that ethanol is derived from crops like corn which we grow locally. Contrast this to petroleum which we import, a burden that contributes to the depletion of our country's limited dollar reserves.

But the resentment is understandable. Laws such as this that places national interest over sectoral concerns goes through a phase of unpopularity, that is until the long term effects are felt. If we look at other countries, we will see that the Philippines is late in joining the bandwagon. Ethanol mix is higher in other countries and they're starting to feel the benefits in terms of cleaner air and reduced dependence on imported oil.

[ghosthunter]

It's sad that many disagree with the Bio-Fuel law. If we look beyond our parochial concerns we will see that it benefits the entire nation. It is one of the few laws passed in this decade that placed the welfare of the many over the concerns of the few.

There may be people who sees the Bio-Fuels Law beyond the printed words on paper.

In the long term, the positive impact of bio fuel use on the environment in terms of reduced harmful emissions far outweighs the impact it may have on a portion of the population who owns vehicles that might be adversely affected. Let's not forget that our vehicles burn fuel, and each time we drive, we contribute to polluting the environment. By reducing our carbon footprint we're decreasing the risk of ill-effects to millions of other non-car owning Filipinos.

Add to that the beneficial effect to our agricultural sector. Let's not forget that ethanol is derived from crops like corn which we grow locally. Contrast this to petroleum which we import, a burden that contributes to the depletion of our country's limited dollar reserves.

Have you considered the fact that the Philippines still imports the ethanol used to mix/blend into gasoline to make E10 gasoline? That the act of importing ethanol offsets whatever "green"' contribution E10 gasoline might have on the environment?

Have you considered that the Philippine agriculture sector cannot grow enough food crops that we have to import tons just to supply enough for our daily food needs? And now you want to exchange land used to grow food to grow fuel?

Have you considered that the supposed savings in our foreign currency reserves is not being realized simply because we are still buying foreign fuels (imported ethanol).

Have you also considered that burning E10 gasoline actually makes cars burn more fuel per kilometer or less kilometers per full tank of gasoline as compared to using regular unlead gasoline? That alone should be alarming because it means cars have a higher carbon emissions with E10 than without.

But the resentment is understandable. Laws such as this that places national interest over sectoral concerns goes through a phase of unpopularity, that is until the long term effects are felt. If we look at other countries, we will see that the Philippines is late in joining the bandwagon. Ethanol mix is higher in other countries and they're starting to feel the benefits in terms of cleaner air and reduced dependence on imported oil.

Other countries may have higher ethanol mixes but the consumers are still give the choice of buying what kind of gasoline they want.

Joining the popular bandwagon may not be the right choice for everyone, especially since the Philippines has yet to become food self-sufficient (again). Allocating more land for fuel use will have effects on food prices and will lead to increasing food imports.

I am not saying we should not join the "bandwagon". Just that our country has more pressing needs that have to be addressed. Trying to do it all at the same time might just end up with getting nothing accomplished.

[ghosthunter]

If the government is serious about cleaner air, then they should mandate for a cleaner diesel fuel like what Singapore is using.

The one major issue diesel engine have is the poor quality of diesel fuel we have available. This results in black smoke from the tail-pipes of trucks, SUVs, buses.

No amount of calibration, cleaning, tuning can help if the fuel is so dirty.

[zner2525]

^ wow.. very well said sir ghosthunter.. thanks for the info!

[aijie28]

Sana mag Welga na no-E10-gasoline im sure madami makikisama.. dapat buhusan ng gasoline na may E10 tapos silaban yung gumawa niyan:burn:

hirap maghanap ng walang E10 na gasoline kaya ginawa ko no choice kung saan saan ako nag papagasolina tapos ngayon di ako happy sa andar ng 1996 carb type vanette ko. minsan parang may nag ccrush na metal sa loob ng engine

[zner2525]

mga sir, pati ba Shell V-Power gasoline may halong E10? binabasa ko sa site ng shell, wala akong mahanap na E10 eh.. ang nakita ko lang:

Shell V-Power is also a high-octane unleaded petrol (99 RON) designed to help maximize the performance of many modern engines.

taas din pala RON ng V-power..