Urgent! (can't find non-E10-gasoline)

[d4nny]

It's sad that many disagree with the Bio-Fuel law. If we look beyond our parochial concerns we will see that it benefits the entire nation. It is one of the few laws passed in this decade that placed the welfare of the many over the concerns of the few.

In the long term, the positive impact of bio fuel use on the environment in terms of reduced harmful emissions far outweighs the impact it may have on a portion of the population who owns vehicles that might be adversely affected. Let's not forget that our vehicles burn fuel, and each time we drive, we contribute to polluting the environment. By reducing our carbon footprint we're decreasing the risk of ill-effects to millions of other non-car owning Filipinos.

Add to that the beneficial effect to our agricultural sector. Let's not forget that ethanol is derived from crops like corn which we grow locally. Contrast this to petroleum which we import, a burden that contributes to the depletion of our country's limited dollar reserves.

But the resentment is understandable. Laws such as this that places national interest over sectoral concerns goes through a phase of unpopularity, that is until the long term effects are felt. If we look at other countries, we will see that the Philippines is late in joining the bandwagon. Ethanol mix is higher in other countries and they're starting to feel the benefits in terms of cleaner air and reduced dependence on imported oil.

[ghosthunter]

It's sad that many disagree with the Bio-Fuel law. If we look beyond our parochial concerns we will see that it benefits the entire nation. It is one of the few laws passed in this decade that placed the welfare of the many over the concerns of the few.

There may be people who sees the Bio-Fuels Law beyond the printed words on paper.

In the long term, the positive impact of bio fuel use on the environment in terms of reduced harmful emissions far outweighs the impact it may have on a portion of the population who owns vehicles that might be adversely affected. Let's not forget that our vehicles burn fuel, and each time we drive, we contribute to polluting the environment. By reducing our carbon footprint we're decreasing the risk of ill-effects to millions of other non-car owning Filipinos.

Add to that the beneficial effect to our agricultural sector. Let's not forget that ethanol is derived from crops like corn which we grow locally. Contrast this to petroleum which we import, a burden that contributes to the depletion of our country's limited dollar reserves.

Have you considered the fact that the Philippines still imports the ethanol used to mix/blend into gasoline to make E10 gasoline? That the act of importing ethanol offsets whatever "green"' contribution E10 gasoline might have on the environment?

Have you considered that the Philippine agriculture sector cannot grow enough food crops that we have to import tons just to supply enough for our daily food needs? And now you want to exchange land used to grow food to grow fuel?

Have you considered that the supposed savings in our foreign currency reserves is not being realized simply because we are still buying foreign fuels (imported ethanol).

Have you also considered that burning E10 gasoline actually makes cars burn more fuel per kilometer or less kilometers per full tank of gasoline as compared to using regular unlead gasoline? That alone should be alarming because it means cars have a higher carbon emissions with E10 than without.

But the resentment is understandable. Laws such as this that places national interest over sectoral concerns goes through a phase of unpopularity, that is until the long term effects are felt. If we look at other countries, we will see that the Philippines is late in joining the bandwagon. Ethanol mix is higher in other countries and they're starting to feel the benefits in terms of cleaner air and reduced dependence on imported oil.

Other countries may have higher ethanol mixes but the consumers are still give the choice of buying what kind of gasoline they want.

Joining the popular bandwagon may not be the right choice for everyone, especially since the Philippines has yet to become food self-sufficient (again). Allocating more land for fuel use will have effects on food prices and will lead to increasing food imports.

I am not saying we should not join the "bandwagon". Just that our country has more pressing needs that have to be addressed. Trying to do it all at the same time might just end up with getting nothing accomplished.

[ghosthunter]

If the government is serious about cleaner air, then they should mandate for a cleaner diesel fuel like what Singapore is using.

The one major issue diesel engine have is the poor quality of diesel fuel we have available. This results in black smoke from the tail-pipes of trucks, SUVs, buses.

No amount of calibration, cleaning, tuning can help if the fuel is so dirty.

[zner2525]

^ wow.. very well said sir ghosthunter.. thanks for the info!

[aijie28]

Sana mag Welga na no-E10-gasoline im sure madami makikisama.. dapat buhusan ng gasoline na may E10 tapos silaban yung gumawa niyan:burn:

hirap maghanap ng walang E10 na gasoline kaya ginawa ko no choice kung saan saan ako nag papagasolina tapos ngayon di ako happy sa andar ng 1996 carb type vanette ko. minsan parang may nag ccrush na metal sa loob ng engine

[zner2525]

mga sir, pati ba Shell V-Power gasoline may halong E10? binabasa ko sa site ng shell, wala akong mahanap na E10 eh.. ang nakita ko lang:

Shell V-Power is also a high-octane unleaded petrol (99 RON) designed to help maximize the performance of many modern engines.

taas din pala RON ng V-power..

[niky]

It's sad that many disagree with the Bio-Fuel law. If we look beyond our parochial concerns we will see that it benefits the entire nation. It is one of the few laws passed in this decade that placed the welfare of the many over the concerns of the few.

Bio-Fuel laws actually place the concern of the agricultural lobby over the welfare of the rest of the population, and are used in some industrialized countries as a means of subsidizing agriculture through taxation.

If we're enacting laws for the welfare of the many (if, by welfare, we're looking at removing pollutants), we'd be adding more taxes to fuel instead of alcohol. Taxes that would be put into adding more renewable energy to our public infrastructure (hydro and wind power stations) and which would go to making our cities more pedestrian and bicycle friendly.

In the long term, the positive impact of bio fuel use on the environment in terms of reduced harmful emissions far outweighs the impact it may have on a portion of the population who owns vehicles that might be adversely affected. Let's not forget that our vehicles burn fuel, and each time we drive, we contribute to polluting the environment. By reducing our carbon footprint we're decreasing the risk of ill-effects to millions of other non-car owning Filipinos.

Bio-fuels will not reduce a car's carbon footprint. There's a reason biofuels cost more per liter than gasoline. It takes a lot of energy to grow crops for biofuels and a lot more to refine these crops into alcohol for use in automobiles. Then you consider transport costs, storage costs (you can't use regular gasoline storage, due to the danger of water contamination with ethanol) and mixing costs... the only way for biofuels to actually reduce a vehicle's carbon foot print is if you're using straight vegetable oil (unprocessed).

Add to that the beneficial effect to our agricultural sector. Let's not forget that ethanol is derived from crops like corn which we grow locally. Contrast this to petroleum which we import, a burden that contributes to the depletion of our country's limited dollar reserves.

Aside from the fact that we can't produce enough ethanol locally, as ghosthunter pointed out, corn is one of the worst crops to use for biofuel. The most efficient biofuel crop is actually sugarcane. There was a promise of renewed vigor in the sugarcane growing sector from the biofuels law, but we have yet to see enough local production to meet our needs.

But the resentment is understandable. Laws such as this that places national interest over sectoral concerns goes through a phase of unpopularity, that is until the long term effects are felt.

We're never going to "feel" a positive environmental effect from biofuels... A 10% blending is just too small to affect the total carbon output of motor vehicles in the Philippines, especially given the fact that ethanol production isn't exactly carbon-neutral, as I noted above.

If we look at other countries, we will see that the Philippines is late in joining the bandwagon. Ethanol mix is higher in other countries and they're starting to feel the benefits in terms of cleaner air and reduced dependence on imported oil.

They're not. Not even the US, which is one of the biggest ethanol producers, has enough production to seriously dent its use of foreign oil. And other countries give consumers a choice in terms of fuels, recognizing that many small motors (lawnmowers, weed whackers, etcetera) and marine users can't use ethanol as easily. In fact, there are groups that keep track of non-mixed gasolines so consumers who actually need "pure" gas can find it. Our government doesn't seem to give a damn about the negative economic effects that mandating E10 for all gas has.

I'd be much happier, actually, if they cleaned up our diesel... as mandating low-sulfur diesel will have a more immediate and long-lasting effect on the quality of local air and more health benefits than mandating E10 does. And I'd be even happier if instead of mandating E10, they'd allow for "pure" gas, E10 and mandate that companies sell a percentage of E85... as I'd like to be able to make that switch. I was waiting for SeaOil's E85, but it never came. I had plans of making my car run on gasoline, E85 and LPG. As it is, it only uses two of the three... :griN:

[sleepsus]

My 97 Accord performs like crap when on any E10 gas, even XCS. I only found this out fairly recently after spending more money than I should have chasing after repairs to make the engine work like new again .... Blaze lang pala ang sagot hehehe.

So is it possible to make my Accord perform optimally on E10 gas? (aside from replacing the engine with an E10 compatible one :P )

[[archie]]

My 97 Accord performs like crap when on any E10 gas, even XCS. I only found this out fairly recently after spending more money than I should have chasing after repairs to make the engine work like new again .... Blaze lang pala ang sagot hehehe.

So is it possible to make my Accord perform optimally on E10 gas? (aside from replacing the engine with an E10 compatible one :P )

AFAIK, the accord is E10 compatible. baka nagkakatalo lang sa octane rating sir.

[ghosthunter]

My 97 Accord performs like crap when on any E10 gas, even XCS. I only found this out fairly recently after spending more money than I should have chasing after repairs to make the engine work like new again .... Blaze lang pala ang sagot hehehe.

So is it possible to make my Accord perform optimally on E10 gas? (aside from replacing the engine with an E10 compatible one :P )

Either a S-AFC or a piggy-back ECU (like the UNICHIP by Speedlab) and an hour's dyno-tuning session to tune the car with the device.

And a half tank of the E10 gasoline.

[sleepsus]

Either a S-AFC or a piggy-back ECU (like the UNICHIP by Speedlab) and an hour's dyno-tuning session to tune the car with the device.

And a half tank of the E10 gasoline.

dyno tuning ... i wonder if the old girl could take that stress ...

[jhnkvn]

I agree that a cleaner diesel would significantly clean the air compared to the implementation of E-10 blended gasolines. Most passenger vehicles don't spew out black soot, 90% buses and jeeps at EDSA do