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    #101
    Guys this should generally be your rule of thumb when choosing the oil you need so that you get the most protection!!!

    **Amount of Sulfur in Philippine Diesel fuel >500PPM?
    **Is vehicle equipped with Diesel particulate filter?

    ----if sulfur level in fuel is greater than >500PPM choose CI-4
    ----if sulfur level in fuel is less than <50PPM choose CJ-4

    ----if vehicle is equipped with Diesel particulate filter use CJ-4
    ----if vehicle is not equipped with Diesel particulate filter use CI-4

    The main reason why CJ-4 is created is because in other countries
    Sulfur levels in the fuel have been reduced(advancement in diesel fuel)
    And prolong life of particulate filters and catalytic converters

    The TBN ( total base number/ ability to neutralize the acids formed primarily because of high sulfur levels in fuel) is lowered
    the CJ-4 oils have lower phosphorus and other anti-wear additives generally termed as ASH...
    The lower TBN of CJ-4 oils is due to the fact that the fuel has low sulfur and doesn't not need that much acid combating power

    The TBN of CI-4 oils are usually high (10-12) because the fuel that is expected to be used is high in Sulfur.. therefore it contains lots of anti-wear like phosphorus and others to combat the sulfur acid effect....

    As with our current sulfur levels in our diesel fuel CI-4 oils would be a better option...
    ONCE it has been legalized and less than 50PPm of sulfur is enacted then CJ-4 would be option,,,,

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    #102
    ^

    baka sunod ng CJ-4 ay CK-4 na tapos puro less than 50ppm sulfur fuel level na. hindi na applicable sa atin. well, except for euro IV or V on some gas stations.

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    #103
    Just to clear up something about Isosyn tech that in Caltex Delo gold ultra oil if you notice in it's MSDS it's different then normal group II oil, It's actually classified as Group II plus. And has been proven to protect as well as group III (synthetic) It also has a heavy additive package.

    Solvent dewaxed heavy paraffinic distillate
    Hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillate
    Solvent refined heavy paraffinic distillate

    KEY PROPERTIES
    SAE Grade 15W-40
    Density at 15C, kg/L 0.89
    Base No., D2896 mg KOH/g 10.2 Has a good TBN
    Flash Point, C > 215
    Pour Point, C < -24
    Sulfated Ash, %m 1.4
    Viscosity, cSt at 40C 115
    Viscosity, cSt at 100C 15.1
    Viscosity Index 137 (same as most group III oils) That's why it performs as well as group III

    PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS
    API CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF, CD, SL
    ACEA E7-08, E5-02
    Cummins CES 20078, 20077, 20076, 20072, 20071
    JASO DH-1
    Mack
    EO-N, EO-M Plus
    MAN M 3275
    MTU Category 2
    Mercedes Benz
    228.3
    Renault
    RLD-2
    Volvo VDS-3


    When you see the Cummins rating you know it's good god oil.
    Last edited by dvldoc; May 5th, 2012 at 10:13 AM.

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    #104
    Quote Originally Posted by dvldoc View Post
    When you see the Cummins rating you know it's good god oil.

    too bad, the Zic UP i bought doesnt have Cummins rating.


    Meets API service category CI-4/SL and MB 228.3/229.1 performances.
    Meets ACEA A3/B3/B4.

    though a friend is also using the same oil in his 4g63 powered adventure.

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    #105
    ^ Mataas naman TBN at yung VI so semi-syn talaga yan CB. Plus CI-4/SL rated yan so very good for both diesel and gas engines (as long as hindi more than 1200ppm yung zinc nga).

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    #106
    Tama ba yung ginagawa ko kasi delo gold ginagamit ko sa civic ek. 15w40

    Mas ok ba honda lev 10w30?

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    #107
    Quote Originally Posted by tomboy View Post
    Tama ba yung ginagawa ko kasi delo gold ginagamit ko sa civic ek. 15w40

    Mas ok ba honda lev 10w30?
    Mas okay sa climate natin and laso for older engines yung w40 viscosity. So better yang Delo Gold na SL rated naman. You don't need to worry about zinc levels since it i just about right at 1200ppm.

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    #108
    for cleaning, pwede.

    actually "S" rated din yung delo. so it should be ok.

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    #109
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_boy View Post
    too bad, the Zic UP i bought doesnt have Cummins rating.


    Meets API service category CI-4/SL and MB 228.3/229.1 performances.
    Meets ACEA A3/B3/B4.

    though a friend is also using the same oil in his 4g63 powered adventure.
    Still great oil, Mobil TDT does not have the rating either. They don't meet Cummins due to the Phosphorus content is to low.

    The specs on Mobil which is almost double the cost are not much different.

    Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40
    SAE Grade 5W-40
    Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
    * 40C 97.9
    * 100C 14.5
    Viscosity Index 153
    Phosporous (ASTM D4951) 0.11
    HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s * 150C (ASTM D4683) 3.8
    Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.95
    Total Base #, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 10.7
    Flash Point, C (ASTM D92) 215
    Density * 15.6C g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85
    Last edited by dvldoc; May 5th, 2012 at 01:06 PM.

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    #110
    Quote Originally Posted by dvldoc View Post
    Still great oil, Mobil TDT does not have the rating either. They don't meet Cummins due to the Phosphorus content is to low.

    The specs on Mobil which is almost double the cost are not much different.

    Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40
    SAE Grade 5W-40
    Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
    * 40C 97.9
    * 100C 14.5
    Viscosity Index 153
    Phosporous (ASTM D4951) 0.11
    HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s * 150C (ASTM D4683) 3.8
    Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.95
    Total Base #, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 10.7
    Flash Point, C (ASTM D92) 215
    Density * 15.6C g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.85
    thats great to know dvldoc!

Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?