Magnafuel review?

[niky]

Niky, Dr D, OJ88, etc., I do not have to prove anything to you, what for? "Nasubukan" ko na ang magnetic device from UK. Hanggang 10% lang ang fc improvement. Made my 1998 L300 run more silent, too.

Q: "Nasubukan niyo na bang gumamit nito sa euro 2 engine?" (Pls dont use on euro 4 engine, because it may confuse the ecu, then, it will have to be reprogrammed)

Pls make subuk-subuk, then, make comment; otherwise its 'fake news'.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's the claimant who bears the burden of proof, not the critics.

Lots of dynos here. If the manufacturer or distributor is really interested, it is very easy to set up an impartial test.

Also, I improved economy 10-15% with nothing but illustration board and duct tape. But I actually documented and tested this via an A-B test with multiple data points.



http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/f...g-a36-20160402



Only reason I haven't done this on my personal car is a.) It looks ghetto, and b.) I don't have the time to fab up a better looking fiberglass kit.

[pyramid00]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's the claimant who bears the burden of proof, not the critics.

Lots of dynos here. If the manufacturer or distributor is really interested, it is very easy to set up an impartial test.

Also, I improved economy 10-15% with nothing but illustration board and duct tape. But I actually documented and tested this via an A-B test with multiple data points.

Only reason I haven't done this on my personal car is a.) It looks ghetto, and b.) I don't have the time to fab up a better looking fiberglass kit.

Sir, we dont want to give proof about the performance of nuvi-nuvi. We owe it to ourselves to be satisfied with the expected results.(whatever the dyno results will be). What we want to do is; have our old vehicle be dynoed on a monday, install the device/s and come back again on the next monday for the 'after' test. Walang gagawin sa car except use it between manila and cabanatuan.

I dont know the mechanics of decreasing a 10%-15% fc using board and duct tape. What is the principle behind that?

This dyno test will be on power increase, isnt it? A - B test only. No test on fc, smoke reduction or whatever. Only a dyno result. Is it still p4k/test with speedlab? Thanks for any info.

[niky]

Sir, we dont want to give proof about the performance of nuvi-nuvi. We owe it to ourselves to be satisfied with the expected results.(whatever the dyno results will be). What we want to do is; have our old vehicle be dynoed on a monday, install the device/s and come back again on the next monday for the 'after' test. Walang gagawin sa car except use it between manila and cabanatuan.

I dont know the mechanics of decreasing a 10%-15% fc using board and duct tape. What is the principle behind that?

This dyno test will be on power increase, isnt it? A - B test only. No test on fc, smoke reduction or whatever. Only a dyno result. Is it still p4k/test with speedlab? Thanks for any info.

That's not acceptable and not a valid test. The vehicle will have to be left at the testing facility to ensure nothing else is changed on the vehicle. If miles need to be put on it for the ECU to "adjust" to whatever, they can be put on it there at the facility.

RE: board and duct tape: Read the article I posted. Aerodynamic principles, with scientific basis, backed by empirical scientific testing done by many, many other enthusiasts.

Dyno places usually have tail-pipe sniffers for O2. You could just borrow a sniffer from an emissions center for HC and NOx.

[pyramid00]

That's not acceptable and not a valid test. The vehicle will have to be left at the testing facility to ensure nothing else is changed on the vehicle. If miles need to be put on it for the ECU to "adjust" to whatever, they can be put on it there at the facility.

RE: board and duct tape: Read the article I posted. Aerodynamic principles, with scientific basis, backed by empirical scientific testing done by many, many other enthusiasts.

Dyno places usually have tail-pipe sniffers for O2. You could just borrow a sniffer from an emissions center for HC and NOx.

Tnx for the info. Like I said, this test, A-B, will be only for our own consumption, for our own use and records purposes only. (for our eyes only) It will be on our old car (1994), so no ecu problem. Di, ipa-measure na rin namin with their 02 sensors and have the emission test after the dyno.

The notion that the vehicle will be left at the test facility... Our EM device will take effect only after travelling 200 km (for diesel) and 50-100km (for gasoline); parang "learning effect". while the ES device may take a few minutes to take effect. (usually 5-15 mins).

This tests will be hidden from the public. Anyway, tnx for the info, sir.

[niky]

Tnx for the info. Like I said, this test, A-B, will be only for our own consumption, for our own use and records purposes only. (for our eyes only) It will be on our old car (1994), so no ecu problem. Di, ipa-measure na rin namin with their 02 sensors and have the emission test after the dyno.

What's the point of testing, then? True scientific progress comes about through both success and failure. A negative result is just as important as a positive.

The notion that the vehicle will be left at the test facility... Our EM device will take effect only after travelling 200 km (for diesel) and 50-100km (for gasoline); parang "learning effect". while the ES device may take a few minutes to take effect. (usually 5-15 mins).

What "learning effect" can take place in a carbureted vehicle?

You do realize that you can simulate those 200 kilometers on the dyno within a few hours?

This tests will be hidden from the public. Anyway, tnx for the info, sir.

Then they're useless. And prove nothing.

[pyramid00]

[QUOTE=niky;2849498] a. What's the point of testing, then? True scientific progress comes about through both success and failure. A negative result is just as important as a positive.

b. What "learning effect" can take place in a carbureted vehicle?
You do realize that you can simulate those 200 kilometers on the dyno within a few hours?

c. Then they're useless. And prove nothing.[/QUOTE


#1: It doesn't matter to us if the results will be published or not. (good or bad results). We just want to reduce unproven comments which are not based on actual tests/usage/xperiments, e.g., 'magnets doesn't affect fuel because fuel is non-magnetic', and other fallacies. (it even affect our bodies!)

#2: We do not know that the dyno can simulate a 200 km run in a few hours. In that case, a test could be done immediately after the 'before' test. Will it not ruin our 1994 baby? Is the simulation exactly same as a 200km run at regular traffic conditions? Baka naman mawawasak ang aming ancient car? After all this time, you don't believe in our EM 'learning effect?' It's because you haven't tried yet; with due respect to you as an automotive expert.

We should send a query email to speedlab to give us their estimates for the tests. (sana P4k-5k/test pa rin)

#3: It will not be useless because it will prove that a weak, pulsating field will ionize the fuel and make the molecules break their bonding with each other for better combustion, the engine run silently and smoothly than before. (better fc, higher power and reduced emissions ) PM's give 8-10% better fc on a 1998 Mitsu L300 engine. (with a PM device from the UK). pls see: ijmcadotorg - archives (vol 1, issue 7); (vol 2. issue 7); and (vol 2, issue 2) naku, pa-ulit-ulit na lang, to the point of boring others. xencia na, just proving my point

Thank you for the info. Have a nice day.

[niky]

#1: It doesn't matter to us if the results will be published or not. (good or bad results). We just want to reduce unproven comments which are not based on actual tests/usage/xperiments, e.g., 'magnets doesn't affect fuel because fuel is non-magnetic', and other fallacies. (it even affect our bodies!)

If you don't publish/present the results, then it proves nothing to anyone else.

#2: We do not know that the dyno can simulate a 200 km run in a few hours. In that case, a test could be done immediately after the 'before' test. Will it not ruin our 1994 baby? Is the simulation exactly same as a 200km run at regular traffic conditions? Baka naman mawawasak ang aming ancient car? After all this time, you don't believe in our EM 'learning effect?' It's because you haven't tried yet; with due respect to you as an automotive expert.

A dyno is not exactly the same, but it can do that. Conversely, you can leave it in the hands of independent testers to run those 200 kms.

Show me the scientific principle behind the learning effect. Again, it's not my job to prove the extraordinary. It's your job to prove it and show the theory behind it.

#3: It will not be useless because it will prove that a weak, pulsating field will ionize the fuel and make the molecules break their bonding with each other for better combustion, the engine run silently and smoothly than before. (better fc, higher power and reduced emissions ) PM's give 8-10% better fc on a 1998 Mitsu L300 engine. (with a PM device from the UK). pls see: ijmcadotorg - archives (vol 1, issue 7); (vol 2. issue 7); and (vol 2, issue 2) naku, pa-ulit-ulit na lang, to the point of boring others. xencia na, just proving my point

Thank you for the info. Have a nice day.

Several independent tests done by people OTHER than the vendors of magnetic fuel savers have consistently shown no benefit. Why should I repeat those experiments on my own funding to arrive at the same conclusion?

Also... what learning do you expect to happen to a flowing column of fluid that does not return to the tank?