Diesel engine cars vs gas engine cars. Newbie po

[Ciz]

Reliability
Maintenance
Cost
Etc po

And mas mura naman po diesel bat karamihan gas type ang ginagawa po o kaya puro gas type dinadala sa pinas.. Newbie po


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[dr. d]

Reliability
Maintenance
Cost
Etc po

And mas mura naman po diesel bat karamihan gas type ang ginagawa po o kaya puro gas type dinadala sa pinas.. Newbie po


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hindi naman... maraming diesel din..
diesel engines are more expensive to manufacture. thus, diesel vehicles are more expensive in the showroom.
diesel engines generally spew out more pollution than gas engines. environment-conscious buyers shun diesels.
diesel engines vibrate more, are noisier, generate more heat, and are generally slower than gas.. thus, many private buyers shun diesels.
maintenance? it's debate-able..
about the only thing cheap in diesels, is its fuel. but this, is a political decision..

[Ciz]

Thanks po mas naliwanagan na ako. Pero diesel engines last longer than gas engines daw po?


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[aioshin]

Thanks po mas naliwanagan na ako. Pero diesel engines last longer than gas engines daw po?


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I think its how you do PM on the engine itself, may it be diesel or gasoline... though makapal talaga ang diesel engine in terms of build than gasoline engine.. kasi yung pag sunog ng diesel sa loob ng engine is thru compression, while gasoline, is thru spark.. kaya mapansin mo gasoline engine, maliit compared to diesel.

[12vdc]

Reliability

Both are reliable depending on the maintenance, but diesel should last longer because the block is designed to handle higher pressures.

Maintenance

Diesel motors are generally costlier to maintain if you follow 5k OCI because lube alone cost more than lube used for gas. Extending OCI and PMS to 10k kms could make maintenance cost equal to gus, but then diesel parts are costlier if they break. Newer diesel motors needs more attention/care because of bad fuel & running condition at tropical climate. Gasoline are generally more cleaner, hence doesnt need much attention aside from regular PMS.

Cost

Newer Diesel motor(those commonrail + turbocharged) cost more because of the technology used. Old rotary injection non-commonrail pumps are sturdier and cheap but doesn't meet newer emmission standards.. Gasoline are cleaner, doesnt have complicated emmission control and usually not turbocharged, so they cost less than diesels.

Etc po

And mas mura naman po diesel bat karamihan gas type ang ginagawa po o kaya puro gas type dinadala sa pinas..

Diesels are more complicated packed with newer technology thats why they cost more. Most diesel applications are for commercial use, hence the advantage of higher resale value.

Running cost - diesel has more torque more energy content so it uses less fuel to move a mass.. You save more fuel using diesel and our gov't subsidizes the cost so diesels here are cheaper to run than gaz.

No much small cars diesel here because manufacturers are playing safe.They know in the long run, bad Ph fuel quality will kill the motor. Ph fuel is dirty and still uses 500ppm sulfur. Most newer Diesels uses high pressure injectors, injectors esp those piezo electrics wear faster when exposed to dirt/water contaminants and they cost hundreds of thousand to replace. High sulfur kills the cat plus will plug most DPF, re-burn cycles will then be needed more often translating to waste of fuel.

Availalbility of course will depend on demand/ how much consumers are willing to spend. Most middle class families would rather buy a sub-million econo car that could move 5 people and don't have to worry much about maintenance.. Gasoline cars falls in that category while most diesels have to be strippen down as much amenities just to bring down at the price of consumer level and yet still it cost more. So price point, mahal talaga ang diesel cars most families would rather get the cheaper gasoline di bale na mahal ang fuel. But some that could afford the initial cost of ownership and knows the maintenance part would chose diesel, bawi na lang sa fuel cost. hehe

[Ciz]

Both are reliable depending on the maintenance, but diesel should last longer because the block is designed to handle higher pressures.


Diesel motors are generally costlier to maintain if you follow 5k OCI because lube alone cost more than lube used for gas. Extending OCI and PMS to 10k kms could make maintenance cost equal to gus, but then diesel parts are costlier if they break. Newer diesel motors needs more attention/care because of bad fuel & running condition at tropical climate. Gasoline are generally more cleaner, hence doesnt need much attention aside from regular PMS.


Newer Diesel motor(those commonrail + turbocharged) cost more because of the technology used. Old rotary injection non-commonrail pumps are sturdier and cheap but doesn't meet newer emmission standards.. Gasoline are cleaner, doesnt have complicated emmission control and usually not turbocharged, so they cost less than diesels.

Diesels are more complicated packed with newer technology thats why they cost more. Most diesel applications are for commercial use, hence the advantage of higher resale value.

Running cost - diesel has more torque more energy content so it uses less fuel to move a mass.. You save more fuel using diesel and our gov't subsidizes the cost so diesels here are cheaper to run than gaz.

No much small cars diesel here because manufacturers are playing safe.They know in the long run, bad Ph fuel quality will kill the motor. Ph fuel is dirty and still uses 500ppm sulfur. Most newer Diesels uses high pressure injectors, injectors esp those piezo electrics wear faster when exposed to dirt/water contaminants and they cost hundreds of thousand to replace. High sulfur kills the cat plus will plug most DPF, re-burn cycles will then be needed more often translating to waste of fuel.

Availalbility of course will depend on demand/ how much consumers are willing to spend. Most middle class families would rather buy a sub-million econo car that could move 5 people and don't have to worry much about maintenance.. Gasoline cars falls in that category while most diesels have to be strippen down as much amenities just to bring down at the price of consumer level and yet still it cost more. So price point, mahal talaga ang diesel cars most families would rather get the cheaper gasoline di bale na mahal ang fuel. But some that could afford the initial cost of ownership and knows the maintenance part would chose diesel, bawi na lang sa fuel cost. hehe

ganun po pala fan pa naman ako ng diesel.maraming salamat dir!


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[usokpower]

ganun po pala fan pa naman ako ng diesel.maraming salamat dir!


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Diesel engines will last longer than gasoline engines because of the heavier components. It also has more powerful torque than gasoline engines making it more fuel efficient and fit for daily heavy traffic place such as metro manila.

Ive been driving my mitsubishi L200 for the past 18 years with no engine trouble at all. It is currently logged at 390,000kms and the engine was never overhauled or taken apart. Key to long lasting engine is regular change oil. The only time it did stall was when the clutch was so worn out it wont move but the engine is still running.

IMO, get a diesel engine powered vehicle.

[Battlestar]

Diesel engines will last longer than gasoline engines because of the heavier components. It also has more powerful torque than gasoline engines making it more fuel efficient and fit for daily heavy traffic place such as metro manila.

Ive been driving my mitsubishi L200 for the past 18 years with no engine trouble at all. It is currently logged at 390,000kms and the engine was never overhauled or taken apart. Key to long lasting engine is regular change oil. The only time it did stall was when the clutch was so worn out it wont move but the engine is still running.

IMO, get a diesel engine powered vehicle.

4D56 din ba yung engine ng L200? Sulit na sulit ka na dyan sa L200 mo sir ah.

[andrewnathaniel]

Reliability - depende na sa PMS. Pero diesel engines requires more attention.
Maintenance - Diesel engines cost more on PMS's. Diesel engine requires more oil than gasoline engine.
Cost - diesel engines are more expensive than gasoline engine

For me, diesel engine are more fun to drive because of its better FC.

[step22]

up for this, should i buy a diesel fueled car lets say accent or focus or gasoline sub compact car with 1.0 to 1.3 gas engine? mas mahal ang diesel car sa gasoline car at mas mahal rin maintenance but fuel is definetely cheaper. in the long run saan ba talaga ako makakatipid?

[timming_gear]

kung sa reliability depende sa maintenance , pero mas marami kasi na prone masira sa diesel especially yung mga modern kamuka ng turbo at injectors hindi katulad sa gas engine , n.a type lang halos lahat :-)

[dr. d]

there is this belief that diesels cost more to maintain..
well, it is true that diesel engines do require more oil in oil change, and require more oil changes.
but diesel engines do not have sparking plugs, distributors, hi tension cables, nor contact points (older gas engines.. heh heh).
then there are those who warn that should the fuel delivery system malfunction, the repair costs are quite high..
but i own a diesel (o sige, 2 diesels now, 1 more that i sold after 8 years, 8 years ago).. and after almost 100K km per vehicle, the fuel delivery system failure has yet to materialize. i have talked to some diesel owners who have logged quite a number of km more than i have, and they have not experienced it, either..
so i guess TS will have to wait some time more, so's i can appraise him of my fixing costs when it does happen..

but this is just me.. perhaps there are some persons out there who have more experience..

but whatever it is, think... is this the norm, or is this the exception?

will i recommend diesel? yes.... but buyer must make his own computations, to see which gets him ahead..
-annual maintenance cost, annual fuel cost, purchase price, insurance, LTO, etc.
i'm sorry but i don't do this to mine.
so why did i buy a diesel? dahil baha-in samen.. heh heh.

[jut703]

up for this, should i buy a diesel fueled car lets say accent or focus or gasoline sub compact car with 1.0 to 1.3 gas engine? mas mahal ang diesel car sa gasoline car at mas mahal rin maintenance but fuel is definetely cheaper. in the long run saan ba talaga ako makakatipid?

Rough computations lang bro ha, comparing a Mirage GLS CVT vs an Accent E CRDi.

Assuming you'll keep both cars for 5 years:

Mirage GLS
SRP: 673k
Fuel: 288k (12 km/L at 15000 km per year)
Maintenance: 60k (4k per PMS every 5000 km thrice a year)
Total Cost: 1.021M

Accent CRDi
SRP: 858k
Fuel: 198k (14 km/L at 15000 km per year)
Maintenance: 90k (6k per PMS)
Total Cost: 1.146M

Mas mahal pa rin yung Accent kasi di mo mababawi yung higher SRP even with the more efficient engine and lower diesel cost. Kailangan mabenta mo ng 120k higher yung Accent sa Mirage to break even.

[dct]

Bro dapat ata same model? Accent gas and diesel. O kaya innova gas and diesel. Kasi talagang mas mura ang mirage kaysa sa accent gas

[jut703]

Pag same model mahahabol naman talaga within 5 years as long as mataas mileage. But yun nga, pag gas mas marami options. And mas maganda for me Mirage GLS kaysa gas Accent.

[shibby75]

I own a gas innova and sometimes drive a diesel innova. Mas pagod ako sa byahe sa diesel mainly due to the vibration and noise of the diesel engine. Both innovas almost the same in age and mileage.

[shibby75]

Diesel pulls more than the gas, but when raced, almost the same lang ang acceleration. Diesel power starts to strain only from 130kph up to the max of 160kph while gas goes straight to 180kph. The power of the vvti is mostly availanle from 3000rpm up. While the diesel will pull strongly at idle.

[lowslowbenz]

IMHO.

Pareho lang for both. In terms of maintenance, efficiency, ek-ek-chuva.

I'm pretty sure some of you guys here would balk at my conclusions.

I have both diesel and petrol cars, old and young timers alike.

[bloowolf]

Rough computations lang bro ha, comparing a Mirage GLS CVT vs an Accent E CRDi.

Assuming you'll keep both cars for 5 years:

Mirage GLS
SRP: 673k
Fuel: 288k (12 km/L at 15000 km per year)
Maintenance: 60k (4k per PMS every 5000 km thrice a year)
Total Cost: 1.021M

Accent CRDi
SRP: 858k
Fuel: 198k (14 km/L at 15000 km per year)
Maintenance: 90k (6k per PMS)
Total Cost: 1.146M

Mas mahal pa rin yung Accent kasi di mo mababawi yung higher SRP even with the more efficient engine and lower diesel cost. Kailangan mabenta mo ng 120k higher yung Accent sa Mirage to break even.

Sa mirage, fuel & PMS total is P348k, sa accent, P288k. That is a P60k difference in operating cost. Kung Vios I compare kaya? Since they are closer sa retail price.

[jut703]

Vios E AT mas mahal ng 100k and less efficient so definitely the Accent CRDi will be cheaper in 5 years if the mileage is high. If 10k km lang per year I think the Vios will still be cheaper, katamad icompute hehe.

With the Accent diesel though dapat hindi masira turbo or else ang laking talo na nun kagad. With a Vios or any basic gas engine car, wala namang bumibigay na ganun kamahal within 5 years.