Diesel engine cars vs gas engine cars. Newbie po

[cast_no_shadow]

Yan din isang issue ko sa diesel ngayon, extended idling. Madalas ako maghintay ke esmi or sa school ng mga bata, minsan morethan 1 hour pa. Definitely maluluto kagad turbo pag ganon.

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Naalala ko lang umuwi kami mindoro sakay ng RORO may sumakay na SUV (diesel) forgot what model mula pagsakay hanggang dumating ng calapan hindi nagpatay ng makina, naka aircon sila sa loob. Walandyo lagpas 2hrs byahe batangas - calapan ha?


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Gasoline Engine,

Smoothness pag dating sa acceleration, quiet engine, and madaling mag-warm up ang engine, bago gamitin after rest period
least pag dating sa maintenance, babawi lang sa mismong Fuel consumption


Diesel engine,

Very FC efficient lalo sa long distance driving, + yung torque at low rpm, ramdam agad yung pulling power,
medyo magsapang yung takbo tapos kung merong turbo, ramdam yung turbo lag, then at least 5mins minimum to warm up the diesel engine after rest period,

babawi naman pag dating sa maintenance kasi mas complicated ang diesel sa gasoline.


about naman sa cooldown ng engine both gasoline at diesel.

normal practice ko po is to idle at least 5mins(gasoline) 10mins(diesel), para iwas sa thermal shock lalo pag galing sa long speed drive at may passenger or extreme traffic, (kasi once na turn off na ang engine, first 1hr ng rest period, yan po ang pinaka-mainit sa makina dahil wala nang supply yung coolant sa engine, yung singaw ng heat both engine at radiator)

pag dating naman sa extended or excessive idling,

Sa gasoline, mas mainit ang makina, mas malakas ang FC, yung lang, hindi gaano katindi yung carbon deposit/soot sa exhaust, unlike sa diesel, mas high volatile ang fuel, kaya kahit i-idle ng matagal, hindi gaano mainit ang makina, pero yung mga carbon deposit/soot sa exhaust, mas grabe yung build up.

ang effect naman, pag dating sa wear and tear sa engine, pareho lang, yung cooling system, naka-asa lang sa coolant at dun sa radiator fan connecting sa engine.


sa usage naman,

kung gasoline engine, 1.3 for pure city driving, 1.6 naman, kung combined city at highway
sa diesel engine, 2.5 na natural aspirated for city driving, kung combined, 2.2 to 2.5 na turbo charged,
(300NM to 380NM torque) FC efficient na, pero pag lumagpas na sa 400NM above, medyo malakas na sa FC, and advisable for long distance drive.

[Monty]

Bloowolf, turbo timer lang katapat nyan.

[bloowolf]

Bloowolf, turbo timer lang katapat nyan.

Thought of that, but in my line of work, it won't work out for me:-( So I have the gas one in the workplace to move around & just use the diesel to go back & forth home.

[boy astig]

Reliability
Maintenance
Cost
Etc po

And mas mura naman po diesel bat karamihan gas type ang ginagawa po o kaya puro gas type dinadala sa pinas.. Newbie po


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Old school diesel engines have atomic engines. As long as they are properly maintained, they just go on chugging. Newer diesel engines are more complicated to maintain but have put back the fun in driving a diesel. Newer gasoline engines are far more economical than their ancient ancestors (esp those in the 1.0-1.3 category). Surprisingly, the maintenance (for me) comes off as reasonable, especially when it is done outside the casa and with aftermarket parts.

This is my observation regarding the 1.0-2.0 car segment (please feel free to correct me). AFAIK, all the diesel cars in the market right now are turbo charged. So, as sir bloowolf had posted, you need to adjust your driving habits and time when using one. Of the gas cars, AFAIK Ford is the only one with a turbo charger. All the rest are NA.

HTH

[andrewnathaniel]

Regarding sa cool down, sanayan lang mga bro. Sa Accent Hatch ko nakasanayan ko na mag-cool down before shutting off the engine. Less than 2 mins ang cool down, pag medyo nagmamadali eh around 45 secs. Pag nagagamit ko na yung Lynx namin, nadala ko na ang habit ko na mag-cooldown kahit hindi ko naman ginagawa dati.

Sa extended idling naman, swerte lang siguro kame kasi taga-Probinsya kame. Hindi issue yung traffic, hindi prone sa matagal na idling. Kung gagamitin ang sasakyan, from point A to point B, minimum na ang distance na 20kms so hindi rin papasok sa severe driving condition na short distance trips.

Para sakin mas fun to drive ang gas engine. Smooth lang ang drive. Hindi ka nga lang magiging masaya sa FC kaya mas madalas ko gamitin ang diesel engine.

[fireice2]

Gas or Diesel these cars will be a lot cheaper in the long run kaysa taxi ka ng taxi. :P

[bloowolf]

Another difference I noticed with the diesel turbo, pagka expressway drives, medjo babantayan mo speed mo kasi habang nag spoo-spool yung turbo, pabilis ng pabilis kaya once in a while, kailangan mag ease off sa pedal. Ang gas engine, mas madali i-control yung speed.

[dr. d]

my diesel innova has a heavy gas pedal.. in the expressway, i have to put conscious effort into pressing it to maintain 80 kph, lest i gradually slow down to 60 or 40 kph..
in my gas sedans, the ride is so smooth and effortless.. i try to maintain 80 kph, but i find out suddenly that i am already doing 120 kph.. !

[andrewnathaniel]

Experience ko regarding sa speed almost the same lang. Sa Accent Hatch at sa Lynx namin (before humina ang hatak), kahit parang steady lang apak mo sa pedal parang pabilis pa rin ng pabilis pag straight road.

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Pareho naman reliable ang gasoline at diesel engine,
May mga ibang car owner na preference nila is gasoline, yung iba naman ay diesel.

Pero ang kagandahan pag gas user then transition sa diesel lalo pag modern engine, (VGT/VNT/VGS or other tawag sa turbo)
nagiging light foot ang pag mamaneho, pag nakapag-drive ulit ng gasoline.

[MMMM]

Siguro kung pang everyday use, mas may advantage ang diesel kasi mas cheaper ung price ng diesel compare sa gas.

[victorevolution]

Another difference I noticed with the diesel turbo, pagka expressway drives, medjo babantayan mo speed mo kasi habang nag spoo-spool yung turbo, pabilis ng pabilis kaya once in a while, kailangan mag ease off sa pedal. Ang gas engine, mas madali i-control yung speed.

some petrol engine is also equipped with turbo some even have dual turbo setup(super charger?)... my point is regarding kahit anong auto yan dapat talagang magingat tayong lahat.

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Another difference I noticed with the diesel turbo, pagka expressway drives, medjo babantayan mo speed mo kasi habang nag spoo-spool yung turbo, pabilis ng pabilis kaya once in a while, kailangan mag ease off sa pedal. Ang gas engine, mas madali i-control yung speed.

some petrol engine is also equipped with turbo some even have dual turbo setup(super charger?)... my point is regarding kahit anong auto yan dapat talagang magingat tayong lahat.

[b_9904]

Interesting read

[ninjababez]

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

[victorevolution]

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

Sir ninjababez,

Wala naman po minimum requirements pag dating sa KMS for the engine to operate, yung PMS schedule ang merong requirement, either in KMS or months, and the usage term, merong normal, severe, at abuse (hindi naka-indicate sa manual)

ok lang po yan kahit 4.9 KMS lang, since nagagamit nyo naman at meron kayong + 11.3kms good enough na para ma-lubricate yung mga parts maliban sa engine (transmission/diff oil/bearings/circulation ng brake fluid, clutch fluid) + yung mga electrical component, ay nagagamit din.

Low mileage user po..

[ninjababez]

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

[niky]

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

30-45 minutes is not enough time for the engine to get ice cold. May init pa sa coolant at engine oil kung ganyan lang, and there's still a good coat of lubrication on the engine internals, as it hasn't all dripped back down into the oil pan, yet. I wouldn't worry about it. That isn't a "cold" cold start. Starting in the morning... that's a "cold start"... with the oil cold and heavy and sitting in the bottom of the sump.

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Typically short trips ARE bad for the engine... but as long as you adjust your oil change schedule to suit, it shouldn't be too much of a bother. As most local dealers force you into what Americans and Europeans would consider an "Extreme" service interval, anyway, you won't see any problems over 100,000 kilometers with a modern oil.

But going out on longer trips once a week or every other week, to clear out the engine on the highway, helps.

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

The advice against short trips is not an invention of the fertile imagination of writers, but from the manufacturers, mechanics and engineers. Short trips mean more cold starts, more moisture condensation in the oil, a greater possibility of fuel dilution in the oil, EGR build-up, etcetera.

This is why, when buying secondhand, it's not always absolute mileage that counts, but where that mileage was accrued. I would rather buy a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that was used for long trips in the province than a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that's sat in Manila traffic all that time. The "promdi" car will be in much, much better condition... and it's likely that thanks to all that highway running, the engine will be better broken in, and will make more power.

If you only keep your car three to five years... no worries. But if you're a practical person and keep it for 10 years or 200,000kms or more, paying attention to oil condition and running conditions pays in the long run.

Saves you money, too.

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RE: Warranties: Other countries offer longer warranties because they have less traffic. I've posted this here before, but even in cities with the worst traffic in the US, their average speeds are two to four times as fast as the EDSA rush hour average, and many Americans drive almost purely on the highway, where you can make a car go over half-a-million kilometers with little worry.

[bloowolf]

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

A way of checking if your engine has reached the optimum operating temp, lalo na if you do frequent short trips, is to check the tailpipe. If you see water droplets dripping out, malamig pa makina mo (at least that was what my Dad told me). I guess that is why frequent short trips are bad for the engine, too much moisture condensation.