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[dr. d]

Vehicle design and manufacturing is a high entry barrier industry

Only the Chinese and Koreans have been successful new entrants recently, Malaysia’s Proton is still far behind despite being in operation for almost 40 years.

Even if we weren’t corrupt, we still wouldn’t have a home-made car industry. At best it would a Proton, a laughing stock.

The barrier to local manufacturing is high energy costs (see Hanjin), bureaucratic red tape, and low local demand.

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if we filipinos act as patriotic as we like to sound,
then perhaps there is hope for a filipino-designed-and-manufactured car.
"if we buy it, they will build it."

[GTcervan]

That’s a good thing, being patriotic with a global mindset!
What im driving at is the Chinese are already there in the WPS and we still send our money to china by buying chinese brands.
Truly hindi tayo like the Japanese who are really patriotic in the true sense. Language and dialect are japanese but they cater globally. They’d buy local most of the time too.


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Pati geely na chinese brand ginagawang political na topic. 😂

[uls]

if we filipinos act as patriotic as we like to sound,
then perhaps there is hope for a filipino-designed-and-manufactured car.
"if we buy it, they will build it."

that was discussed during our debates 10+ yrs ago

sabi ko sa kanila (mga pinoy car advocates) maarte ang pinoy car buyers

mataas ang standard

pati nga japanese brand may nahahanap na kapintasan

just read the threads how people here talk about the newly launched models

tapos gagawa ang pinoy ng sasakyan sa tingin niyo may bibili?

walang patriotism pag dating sa hard-earned money

bibili ka ba ng bagong sasakyan na mahigit P500K na mukhang ginawa lang sa backyard

[dr. d]

that was discussed during our debates 10+ yrs ago

sabi ko sa kanila (mga pinoy car advocates) maarte ang pinoy car buyers

mataas ang standard

pati nga japanese brand may nahahanap na kapintasan

just read the threads how people here talk about the newly launched models

tapos gagawa ang pinoy ng sasakyan sa tingin niyo may bibili?

walang patriotism pag dating sa hard-earned money

kurekajan.
highs.

and if i have to blame someone,
i'd blame the 'mericans. hollywood.
"yours may be good, but ours is better" syndrome.

i wonder,
what cars do japanese diplomats use, abroad?

[viper888]

kurekajan.
highs.

and if i have to blame someone,
i'd blame the 'mericans. hollywood.
"yours may be good, but ours is better" syndrome.

Colonial Mentality still persists


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[uls]

kurekajan.
highs.

and if i have to blame someone,
i'd blame the 'mericans. hollywood.
"yours may be good, but ours is better" syndrome.

i wonder,
what cars do japanese diplomats use, abroad?

if a pinoy company wants to build a 100% pinoy car will that pinoys will buy...

they have to build something AT LEAST nasa level ng geely (para di off-topic hehe)

coz the least acceptable cars pinoys will buy are chinese brands

next are korean, next japanese

so kailangan grumaduate ang pinoy sa mano mano palo palo stainless

di pwede fiberglass



kailangan planta, robotic welding etc

so imagine gaano kadami bigas kakainin ng pinoy carmaker bago makagawa ng sasakyan na bibilhin ng kapwa pinoy

[Sweetlucious]

bago pa magka-proton

di nga tayo maka-Mahindra o Tata eh

we can't even build a company that can mass produce wrangler type jeeps

The Juans in Pasay used to make Wrangler type body shells.

All metal yun, machine stamped. They exported to Europe yata. Saw them featured in European motoring magazine before.

But locally, walang bumibili. You're right sobrang arte ng pinoy, how can they improve and develop if from the start pa lang nobody wants them na.

[thearsenal1205]

Vehicle design and manufacturing is a high entry barrier industry

Only the Chinese and Koreans have been successful new entrants recently, Malaysia’s Proton is still far behind despite being in operation for almost 40 years.

Even if we weren’t corrupt, we still wouldn’t have a home-made car industry. At best it would a Proton, a laughing stock.

The barrier to local manufacturing is high energy costs (see Hanjin), bureaucratic red tape, and low local demand.

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Currently, Proton's crossover SUV lineup was based on Geely's crossover models. Proton is now owned by Geely.

Following the purchase of Proton by Geely in 2017, Proton has secured the intellectual properties to the design, development, manufacture, sale, marketing and distribution of the Geely Binyue alongside the Boyue (X70) and Jiaji.

Proton X50 - Geely Coolray




Proton X70 - Geely Azkarra




It's just like the Proton Sedan that was look like the Lancer "Itlog". This was similar in sharing platforms with Mitsubishi Lancer back in the 90s. Even though Mitsubishi did not bought the Malaysian automaker they only allowed to use the Lancer platform under license.

[bxr monkey]

Maganda mag start muna mag patronize ng Innova, Vios, Mirage, Motolite, Yokohama.

[hardwang]

I ain't buying a product unless it's made or assembled in China because CHINA #1!

[uls]

The Juans in Pasay used to make Wrangler type body shells.

All metal yun, machine stamped. They exported to Europe yata. Saw them featured in European motoring magazine before.

But locally, walang bumibili. You're right sobrang arte ng pinoy, how can they improve and develop if from the start pa lang nobody wants them na.

yes MD Juan but kits / kit car



not real deal motor vehicle mass production

[uls]

ung local wrangler ang makina, transmission, differential... lahat japan surplus

chassis and body lang ang bago

wala pa tayo home grown car production that uses brand new everything

[Miles_on]

Ang interesting naman dito sa Tsikot Forum. I come back after a while and ang haba na pala ng usapan!

Proton X50 - Geely Coolray

Like I said, I find the design of these cars beautiful, except for the makanto part at the front doors. But the reason I won't buy these cars is not simply because they're from China- I'm very certain mahirap humanap ng parts later to keep them running. Think about what would happen if the brand or dealership pulls out of the country, unrepairable na.

As an example, I once struck a conversation with a driver at the Bureau of Posts. He told me they have 3-4 of those China brand service vehicles used to deliver the mail just sitting in their motorpool yard. Sabi ko, ah, excess ba sa kailangan yung mga na-order? Hindi daw. Those vehicles are being cannibalized for spare parts of the others they keep running daw.

[Miles_on]

bago pa magka-proton

di nga tayo maka-Mahindra o Tata eh

we can't even build a company that can mass produce wrangler type jeeps

There used to be a company called MD Jeepstar on Taft Avenue in Pasay City in the 90's. Wrangler or Jeep bodykits ang binebenta nila (you supply chassis & engine), but they're long gone now.

[uls]

There used to be a company called MD Jeepstar on Taft Avenue in Pasay City in the 90's. Wrangler or Jeep bodykits ang binebenta nila (you supply chassis & engine), but they're long gone now.

yup nga kit car

not real production car

[Sweetlucious]

ung local wrangler ang makina, transmission, differential... lahat japan surplus

chassis and body lang ang bago

wala pa tayo home grown car production that uses brand new everything

Well yes surplus yun ilalim.

But how can we build a car from the ground up if we cant even make a specific part na globally accepted. Parts that are not made under the supervision of big car companies.

Like sa suspension, the Thai-made shock absorbers are exported to 3rd world countries like ours, and yun Taiwan naman meron sila BC coilovers na really good and can compete with Euro/Jap brands.

[Miles_on]

Vehicle design and manufacturing is a high entry barrier industry

Only the Chinese and Koreans have been successful new entrants recently, Malaysia’s Proton is still far behind despite being in operation for almost 40 years.

Even if we weren’t corrupt, we still wouldn’t have a home-made car industry. At best it would a Proton, a laughing stock.

The barrier to local manufacturing is high energy costs (see Hanjin), bureaucratic red tape, and low local demand.

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I had a friend who onwed a Proton Wira here back sometime 2002-03 and rode in it. It wasn't bad at all (but I'm sure its just scrap metal now somewhere)

Japanese usually buy only Japan made cars, and Koreans usually buy only Korean made also (even though in the early years, di din sila ganun kabilib sa cars na gawa sa kanila).

Phenomenal din ang rise ng Korea. From an impoverished, near hopless situation after the Korean War, they love their country so much, the previous generations put their backs into to help their country rise to the OECD member state that they are today. Back in the 60's sila yung mga nagpapadala ng mga OFW sa ibang bansa. Marami din silang mga bata that were given up for adoption to western countries to give them a chance at a better life (national shame daw yun sa kanila looking back). Puro mga diktador na abusive pa mga presidente nila until recently lang.

According to a few Korean friends, one reason bakit pinilit nila ibangon sa kahirapan bansa nila was that ayaw nilang magpatalo sa Japan matapos sila api-apihin for so long. Gusto talaga nila tapatan or malamang sa Japan.

When I asked since your country is well off, why are so many Koreans still migrating overseas, they told me mahirap daw kasi mabuhay sa kanila. Sobra daw ang competition sa lahat, and the suicide rates are high. Hell nga daw bansa nila. Hindi ko lang masabi eh kung hell yung sa kanila, papaano pa kaya dito sa atin?

[uls]

Well yes surplus yun ilalim.

But how can we build a car from the ground up if we cant even make a specific part na globally accepted. Parts that are not made under the supervision of big car companies.

Like sa suspension, the Thai-made shock absorbers are exported to 3rd world countries like ours, and yun Taiwan naman meron sila BC coilovers na really good and can compete with Euro/Jap brands.

kaya nagtataka ako sa mga pinoy car advocate 10+ yrs ago they really believed PH homegrown car production can happen

HOW?

malabo yan sabi namin ni ghosthunter sabi nila masyado kami negative

[Miles_on]

We have some shipbuildng industries here (not cargo vessels though, just large fast craft) in the Visayas region, and for appliances, we have the likes of Conception Industries.

Yung mga Hyundai, Kia and other large chaebols/conglomerates, IIRC, they had the backing & support of (dictator) President Park Chung Hee (na may halong corruption din involved), but look where they are today.

In theory, kaya din natin here siguro, but we know that's not going to happen. Ithink ULS is just beig a realist with that statement.

[hardwang]

As an example, I once struck a conversation with a driver at the Bureau of Posts. He told me they have 3-4 of those China brand service vehicles used to deliver the mail just sitting in their motorpool yard. Sabi ko, ah, excess ba sa kailangan yung mga na-order? Hindi daw. Those vehicles are being cannibalized for spare parts of the others they keep running daw.

How long ago was that?