Questions About MLM/Networking

**yebo** · August 3rd, 2014 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by chrismarte

anong company yung nahuli kahapon? yung picture nung nahuli Royale pero sa story wala naman nakalagay...

pa-post ng link kung meron. may kilala ako sa royale kasi, makikitsismis lang

edit: taga-royale pala yung 5 na nabiktima nung Peter James Abarico, kala ko taga-royale yung nahuli.
engot din talaga yung 5, mahilig din talaga sa mlm (at magpaloko) so yan natangayan hahaha!

**chrismarte** · August 3rd, 2014 05:26 PM

Yung ID nya chief Royale... kaya nagtaka ko

bungad ko dun sa barkada ko, "takbuhan n ba? pag may gusto magbenta ng kotse i-aahente ko"

**uls** · August 3rd, 2014 06:26 PM

itong scheme ni Abarico pareho sa Aman

no products

typical ponzi scheme

you give him money, he returns it X2

convinced that he's for real, you invest more money and you invite friends and family to invest too

as long as there's new money coming in he can keep returning money X2

the more people he convinces the more investors he gets

then he suddenly disappears

Suspected pyramiding scam head preying on cops fall in Makati mall | Nation, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

MANILA, Philippines - The suspected head of a pyramiding operation that preys mostly on police officers was arrested on Wednesday afternoon by the Makati City Police in a sting operation inside a shopping mall in the city.

The Makati City police said suspect Peter James Abarico, 26, a resident of San Juan City, was nabbed at about 3:00 pm inside a mall along Ayala Avenue.

Senior Superintendent Manuel Lukban, Makati City police chief, said Abarico would convince his unsuspecting victims into lending money with him with the promise of doubling their investments.

“He would tell his victims that he is a middle man for a government department which is in need of borrowing funds for some projects. He would promise them that their investments would double after five days,” said Lukban.

Lukban said one of Abarico’s investors gave him P50,000 which was doubled when returned. In addition to the doubled amount, Abarico also gave the investor a large LCD television.

“He would return the money he would borrow from his victims exactly after five days,” said Lukban.

The biggest “loan” Abarico got from his victims was P7 million which he returned to the “investor” as P11 million and a 2014 Mitsubishi Pajero.

“The victims never suspected there was wrong with the operation as their money were returned after five days and the suspect would usually drop the names of his other past high-profile investors,” said Lukban.

Lukban said they would not divulge the name of the government department which Abarico claims to have connections with.

“We do not believe him. He has no other partners working with him. We are not considering his statements,” said Lukban.

Lukban said the victims, mostly police officers and police officials from the Quezon City Police and the Taguig City Police, got suspicious when Abarico had failed to return their “investments” and suddenly disappeared.

Lukban said prior to the entrapment, four of Abarico’s past victims attempted to make contact with him and again offered to invest. They sought the help of the Makati police after Abarico agreed to meet them at the shopping mall.

During the entrapment, police also seized from Abarico two .40 pistols and a 9mm pistol. One of the .40 pistols has an expired license while the other .40 pistol and the 9 mm pistol are unlicensed, said Lukban.

Abarico is now detained at the Makati City Police headquarters as charges for illegal possession of firearms and large-scale estafa are being readied against him.

**uls** · August 3rd, 2014 06:37 PM

that's what makes MLMs legal -- may produkto

alisin mo ang produkto sa MLM magiging pure ponzi yan

**uls** · August 3rd, 2014 11:33 PM

another example of a ponzi scheme is Aureus Capital

it promised very high returns and investors saw the high returns reflected in their P&L reports

seeing the high returns investors put in more money and invited friends and family to invest

a lot of money flowed into Aureus

then the head of Aureus disappeared with the money

**3GEMS** · August 4th, 2014 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by uls

itong scheme ni Abarico pareho sa Aman

no products

typical ponzi scheme

you give him money, he returns it X2

convinced that he's for real, you invest more money and you invite friends and family to invest too

as long as there's new money coming in he can keep returning money X2

the more people he convinces the more investors he gets

then he suddenly disappears

Suspected pyramiding scam head preying on cops fall in Makati mall | Nation, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Nabiktima din kami nito, though una palang sugal na talaga, kaya pinasok lang naming pera yung kaya mawala, two times bumalik pera namin pangatlo hindi na, kaya maliit lang talo samin, yung father ko swerte minsan lang nag invest at bumalik halos doble kita, marami nabiktima mga lokong to, maraming sa IT industries...

**jhnkvn** · August 4th, 2014 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by uls

another example of a ponzi scheme is Aureus Capital

it promised very high returns and investors saw the high returns reflected in their P&L reports

seeing the high returns investors put in more money and invited friends and family to invest

a lot of money flowed into Aureus

then the head of Aureus disappeared with the money

Ito yun nakita ko sa forex section ata natin right? The company supposed to be located in SG?

**uls** · August 5th, 2014 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by jhnkvn

Ito yun nakita ko sa forex section ata natin right? The company supposed to be located in SG?

yes

the guy behind Amasis Capital is the same guy behind Aureus

**jansky** · August 5th, 2014 05:33 PM

my friend is into MLM

and im kinda educated about MLM na din

pagkakaalam ko dati kung sino nauna sya yayaman (true)
pero there were also kahit na nauna ka mas mauunahan ka ng kasamahan mo na nahuli na sumali (sipag, tiyaga).. and I've seen that myself

I asked why bought car pag kumikita kayo? sabi nya there are purposes.. "mobility" since he's into MLM at kailangang maraming puntahan din which is true din naman.. sabi nga nya when you are into selling you need to go from point A to point B as fastest as you can. and yes, ang nakikita nyo lang kasi ung sasakyan.. but may mga properties din kami na napundar thru mlm. bahay, farms, educations. may mga tao na nahuhsugahan kami instead na bumili ng ibang properties eh mga bling bling na sasakyan kasi hindi nila naiintindihan kung baket sasakyan ang isa sa mga binibili

eh bat madalas nagpapapicturre mga kasamahan nyo sa mga ferrari? to motivate people, to tell them na kung nagagawa ng ibang tao, magagawa mo din.. hindi kami nang iingit pero kasi iba na tingn pag nagparada ka ng sasakyan na "ferrari" sa labas "yabang" ang tingin sa amin hindi naman maiiwasan ito

eh bat ung product medyo pricey? kasi nga this business is built in MLM marketing.. so kailangang magkaroon din ng commission bawat tao na nakakabenta ng products, pag di gaano mataas.. san kukuha ng commision pang bayad eh di malulugi kompanya di ba

two ways kasi para mag market ng product use ads or use the power of network.. which in this method we use the power of network, both paid pa din naman.. when you use ads babayaran mo din naman.. when you use network.. babayaran mo rin naman mga tao

tapos sabi pa nya.
thru sa MLM may yumayaman.. and true sa corporate may yumayaman.. pero how many percentage? if sa mlm lets say may 1000 distributor may 100 na yumama.. sa corporate may 1000 workers isa lang mayaman. so for me. I'll take the chance after all I have product. at kagandahan sa MLm umaangat ka din depende na lang kung gaano ka kaseryoso sa negosyo , unlike company kahit gaano ka kasipag hindi ka agad ma promote.. or may kakumpitensya ka sa promotion. dito wala kang kakumpitensya sa promotion

buti hindi nalulugi mga tao? first, you buy package.. so kahit hindi ka mag mlm hindi ka lugi kasi meron kang product its up to you kung gusto mo ibenta or gamitin .

why show your check? sabi nya.. may mga tao kasi na hindi naniniwala na may income dito.. some say photoshop lang , pero I dont show my check just to convince.. iba kasi ang mag convince at iba ang may gusto.

at sabi pa nya
When you do mlm, dapat matatag ka din. marami ka ma eencounter na tao dyan.. sisirain ka , aayawan ka, pero one thing He's sure about is. He's income is getting better and better.

how about saturation? nope.. impossible to saturate, kasi ganito. pag sabihin na natin sa lugar mo marami na gumagamit or member.. then lipat ka lang ng ibang lugar. or ganito. halimbawa ung nakausap ko dati hindi bumili sa akin or hindi sumama.. baka ikaw o sayo sumama or kung hindi sayo baka sa ibang tao,

(medyo mahaba usapan namin sa saturation.heheeh)

eh di ba para kayong nanloloko? bumili ka ng product (starte kit) asan ang panloloko?

sabi pa nya.. but yun nga dahil sa mga ginagawang kalokohan ng ibang mLM "networkers" (like ung pag recruit,,etc) nakakasira tlaga ng image ng ibang MLM

marami pa kami napag usapan about how MLM work and why people do it and why people hate it

at sabi pa nya para maintindihan mo ito kung baket ko ginagwa

read mo mga books ni Chinkey Tan, Robert Kiyosaki,Warren Buffett,Donald Trump

**uls** · August 5th, 2014 06:24 PM

pagkakaalam ko dati kung sino nauna sya yayaman (true)
pero there were also kahit na nauna ka mas mauunahan ka ng kasamahan mo na nahuli na sumali (sipag, tiyaga).. and I've seen that myself

syempre nangyayari yan

nauna ka nga pero tamad ka, at di naman active mga downline mo, natural patay ang network mo

ma-o-overtake ka ng mga ibang grupo na mas active

I asked why bought car pag kumikita kayo? sabi nya there are purposes.. "mobility" since he's into MLM at kailangang maraming puntahan din which is true din naman.. sabi nga nya when you are into selling you need to go from point A to point B as fastest as you can. and yes, ang nakikita nyo lang kasi ung sasakyan.. but may mga properties din kami na napundar thru mlm. bahay, farms, educations. may mga tao na nahuhsugahan kami instead na bumili ng ibang properties eh mga bling bling na sasakyan kasi hindi nila naiintindihan kung baket sasakyan ang isa sa mga binibili

eh bat madalas nagpapapicturre mga kasamahan nyo sa mga ferrari? to motivate people, to tell them na kung nagagawa ng ibang tao, magagawa mo din.. hindi kami nang iingit pero kasi iba na tingn pag nagparada ka ng sasakyan na "ferrari" sa labas "yabang" ang tingin sa amin hindi naman maiiwasan ito

as far as im concerned i don't care what MLMers do with their money. it's none of my business

eh bat ung product medyo pricey? kasi nga this business is built in MLM marketing.. so kailangang magkaroon din ng commission bawat tao na nakakabenta ng products, pag di gaano mataas.. san kukuha ng commision pang bayad eh di malulugi kompanya di ba

two ways kasi para mag market ng product use ads or use the power of network.. which in this method we use the power of network, both paid pa din naman.. when you use ads babayaran mo din naman.. when you use network.. babayaran mo rin naman mga tao

mas mahal parin ang MLM products kesa sa equivalent products na binebenta sa tindahan

di naman unique mga produkto ng MLM. most are sachet drinks, food supplements, soap, shampoo etc

kahit may advertising, distribution cost ang mga non-MLM products mas mababa parin ang SRP ng non-MLM products kesa MLM products

MLM products are very expensive coz of commissions

so if you really want to use MLM products mag join ka for member discount

tapos sabi pa nya.
thru sa MLM may yumayaman.. and true sa corporate may yumayaman.. pero how many percentage? if sa mlm lets say may 1000 distributor may 100 na yumama.. sa corporate may 1000 workers isa lang mayaman. so for me. I'll take the chance after all I have product. at kagandahan sa MLm umaangat ka din depende na lang kung gaano ka kaseryoso sa negosyo , unlike company kahit gaano ka kasipag hindi ka agad ma promote.. or may kakumpitensya ka sa promotion. dito wala kang kakumpitensya sa promotion

can't compare being an MLMer with a person working a regular job

apples and oranges yan

in a company hindi lahat salesman

if you really want to compare ikumpara mo ang MLMer to an agent

pareho sila earning commission

the harder they work the more money they make -- if an agent works hard enough... pasukin niya lahat (new cars, used cars, real estate, insurance etc) imposible di yayaman yan

MLM is like having your own business. hawak mo oras mo. wala ka time card. wala ka salary. same as ahente

buti hindi nalulugi mga tao? first, you buy package.. so kahit hindi ka mag mlm hindi ka lugi kasi meron kang product its up to you kung gusto mo ibenta or gamitin.

lugi ka dahil ang true value ng mga produkto is nowhere near the price you paid

ilan piraso sachet drink, ilan piraso sabon at shampoo P10,000

tama... kung hindi mo mabenta gamitin mo nalang

wala ka na choice eh. you're stuck with the products na kapalit ng P10,000

at least member ka na at may chance ka yumaman hehe

why show your check? sabi nya.. may mga tao kasi na hindi naniniwala na may income dito.. some say photoshop lang , pero I dont show my check just to convince.. iba kasi ang mag convince at iba ang may gusto.

di ko alam baket ayaw maniwala yung iba

sabi ko nga madami kumikita nang malaki sa MLM

at sabi pa nya
When you do mlm, dapat matatag ka din. marami ka ma eencounter na tao dyan.. sisirain ka , aayawan ka, pero one thing He's sure about is. He's income is getting better and better.

kailangan kapalan ang mukha

who cares what people say basta tuloy tuloy ang pasok ng pera diba?

how about saturation? nope.. impossible to saturate, kasi ganito. pag sabihin na natin sa lugar mo marami na gumagamit or member.. then lipat ka lang ng ibang lugar. or ganito. halimbawa ung nakausap ko dati hindi bumili sa akin or hindi sumama.. baka ikaw o sayo sumama or kung hindi sayo baka sa ibang tao,

(medyo mahaba usapan namin sa saturation.heheeh)

paano mahaba ang usapan?

napaka-simple lang

100,000,000 na pinoy

madami pwede ma-recruit

eh di ba para kayong nanloloko? bumili ka ng product (starte kit) asan ang panloloko?

yung ilusyon na yayaman

baket magbabayad ng P10,000 ang tao para sa ilan pirasong produkto na walang kwenta

nagbayad ng P10,000 ang tao dahil tingin niya yayaman siya... hindi dahil gusto niya talaga mga produkto

sabi pa nya.. but yun nga dahil sa mga ginagawang kalokohan ng ibang mLM "networkers" (like ung pag recruit,,etc) nakakasira tlaga ng image ng ibang MLM

totoo naman kailangan mag recruit

yan ang main business ng MLM

props lang ang produkto

marami pa kami napag usapan about how MLM work and why people do it and why people hate it

i'm sure

at sabi pa nya para maintindihan mo ito kung baket ko ginagwa

read mo mga books ni Chinkey Tan, Robert Kiyosaki,Warren Buffett,Donald Trump

gawa pera

madali lang naman maintindihan yan sir