Things to know when upgrading to HID

[surg]

make sure to get 4300k color bulbs to get the best out of the hid system

many thanks again sir!
another noob question po: ilan watts and anong h (h1,h2,h,h4) ang maganda hid (both hi/lo) for montero?

[NighthawkGT]

many thanks again sir!
another noob question po: ilan watts and anong h (h1,h2,h,h4) ang maganda hid (both hi/lo) for montero?

i think h7 yung low beam ng montero, im not so sure about this one cause i dont own a montero , but for the high beam just stick to your halogens, upgrading it to HID is just a waste of money. Its not like your gonna turn on your high beam for a long period of time. HID are not meant to be flashed on or off. kaya nga yung True bixenon setup uses a fixed bulb with a movable solenoid cut off shield for the high beam. that means the light stays on while cycling from low to high beam.

[Chikselog]

HID when not correctly used will result to glare tlaga.

4300k is the brightest bulb out there. yellowish white ang output color. the pictures posted above all are running 4300k OEM philips bulbs.

for the ek you got PM

Thanks sir ..Actually we were just concerned about its price..May nakita kasi dad ko 4k pesos lang na HID, yun pala pang foglamps lang hehe..

kaya nga yung True bixenon setup uses a fixed bulb with a movable solenoid cut off shield for the high beam. that means the light stays on while cycling from low to high beam.

So pwede po pala na hi-beam mo is halogen while lo-beam is HID kahit isa lang yung pinaka housing (sorry for the term, di ko alam tawag eh hehe) ng headlights mo like the current vios, city? Compared sa dalawa ang "housing" na separate ang hi sa lo like the altis, FD?

[NighthawkGT]

Thanks sir ..Actually we were just concerned about its price..May nakita kasi dad ko 4k pesos lang na HID, yun pala pang foglamps lang hehe..

So pwede po pala na hi-beam mo is halogen while lo-beam is HID kahit isa lang yung pinaka housing (sorry for the term, di ko alam tawag eh hehe) ng headlights mo like the current vios, city? Compared sa dalawa ang "housing" na separate ang hi sa lo like the altis, FD?

for montero kasi it has a low beam projector and a high beam reflector. if your using single reflector halogen headlamp which commonly uses H4 bulbs. the bixenon projector is definitely a plus factor since you wont loose your high beams. while with dual reflector halogen lights (separate hi and low) a single xenon projector will suffice. but others prefer to slap in a bixenon in there for the more functional high beam of the bixenon.

[roberto_minosa]

Good thing I got 4300k's for the wagon. Dad warned me that anything above 4300k sucks at bad weather. I think it's ok enough, without the "sabog" effect. Now I want projectors, though.

*NighthawkGT

Will flashing the HIDs from high to low beam (or from off to "pass") bust the system? Thanks in advance.

By the way, this is a nice thread. I hope it gets stickied.

[Chikselog]

for montero kasi it has a low beam projector and a high beam reflector. if your using single reflector halogen headlamp which commonly uses H4 bulbs. the bixenon projector is definitely a plus factor since you wont loose your high beams. while with dual reflector halogen lights (separate hi and low) a single xenon projector will suffice. but others prefer to slap in a bixenon in there for the more functional high beam of the bixenon.

Ahh i see..So pag single reflector halogen lang tapos magpapaconvert to HID, Bixenon ang gagamitin while kapag dual reflector halogen, single xenon projector?

[NighthawkGT]

Ahh i see..So pag single reflector halogen lang tapos magpapaconvert to HID, Bixenon ang gagamitin while kapag dual reflector halogen, single xenon projector?

it all boils down to the preference ng would-be owner of the headlamps. Others who dont usually use high beams can live with the single xenon projector even though their orig reflector is H4, while others who has dual reflectors prefer to have a bixenon projector in the low beam and leave the high beam as is. others naman prefer quad projector setups, in which both low and high beam part of the dual reflector lamp will be retrofitted with xenon projectors. mga adik na yun talaga sa ilaw.

ako my old setup is only a single xenon projector from lexus LS430, which is considered as the best top class single xenon projector ever made, boasting a light coverage of 10 lanes or so. my headlamps where H4 lang, but i didnt give a damn about high beams na since the low beams are veryvery adequate na, i even killed my projector foglights which has h3 hid since it has no use na. haha

but now i want a quad projector setup na. haha

[NighthawkGT]

Good thing I got 4300k's for the wagon. Dad warned me that anything above 4300k sucks at bad weather. I think it's ok enough, without the "sabog" effect. Now I want projectors, though.

*NighthawkGT

Will flashing the HIDs from high to low beam (or from off to "pass") bust the system? Thanks in advance.

By the way, this is a nice thread. I hope it gets stickied.

technically . flashing a xenon bulb on and off will hurt both the bulbs and the ballast. not to mention your electrical system.

The hid bulb is has no filament, it has two electrodes in which creates an arc when applied with a high voltage source. a capsule resides in the middle which are filled with hallide salts, the kind of hallide salts determines the color temperature of the bulb. if you will try to notice upon turning off the light and quickly turning it on, upon turn on, the produce is red~orange in color and would last for about a few millisecond. this is bad for the bulb and would shorten its life.

As for the ballast, its does nothing more but to establish a huge voltage to strike the bulb for the arc to form, after forming the arc, a constant current and voltage is applied roughly 85Vrms to maintain the arc. It can hurt the ballast too because of the hot re-strike.

As for the electrical system, imagine 22~24,000 Volts is being cycled on and off your electrical wirings, not to mention the initial current it draws. HID ballast normally operates on 35W during normal operation, but during start up, it draws quite a lot.

[NighthawkGT]

To add regarding color bands and color flickers...

this is what you see on a xenon projector retrofitted vehicle (below the cut off or within the range of cut off).




color band against the road



(colors are blue, cyan, magenta, violet, purple) but the bulb color is 4300k OEM philips and the output looks like these on the drivers seat
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low beam




high beam (notice, the low beam part stays there) additional light above the cut off without sacrificing foreground visibility. since traditional hi/low systems are ON one at a time. that means when high beam is switched ON, the low beam will turn OFF.


functionality and aesthetics in 1 package. 8000k bulbs be damned! LOL!

[dixoy]

ano po kailangan palitan para sa lite ace 91 model? recommended ba na mag HID ako o H4 na lang? anong brand and model ang ayos?

thanks

[NighthawkGT]

ano po kailangan palitan para sa lite ace 91 model? recommended ba na mag HID ako o H4 na lang? anong brand and model ang ayos?

thanks

if your gonna use PNP kits for H4 assembly just stick to your good old halogens . please read post #1 for in depth explanations

[surg]

ok na ok ang thread na eto! thank you very much po sir NighthawkGT for taking the time to answer our questions
1 tanong na lang po: ilan watts po ok sa montero?

[roberto_minosa]

technically . flashing a xenon bulb on and off will hurt both the bulbs and the ballast. not to mention your electrical system.

The hid bulb is has no filament, it has two electrodes in which creates an arc when applied with a high voltage source. a capsule resides in the middle which are filled with hallide salts, the kind of hallide salts determines the color temperature of the bulb. if you will try to notice upon turning off the light and quickly turning it on, upon turn on, the produce is red~orange in color and would last for about a few millisecond. this is bad for the bulb and would shorten its life.

As for the ballast, its does nothing more but to establish a huge voltage to strike the bulb for the arc to form, after forming the arc, a constant current and voltage is applied roughly 85Vrms to maintain the arc. It can hurt the ballast too because of the hot re-strike.

As for the electrical system, imagine 22~24,000 Volts is being cycled on and off your electrical wirings, not to mention the initial current it draws. HID ballast normally operates on 35W during normal operation, but during start up, it draws quite a lot.

Thanks! This is great info.

But how about flashing from low to high repeatedly? Does the same principle apply to that?

[beni23]

can't wait to have my car retrofitted.

[NighthawkGT]

Thanks! This is great info.

But how about flashing from low to high repeatedly? Does the same principle apply to that?

if you have a bixenon projector, its okay. the bulb stays fixed, the only thing that is moving is the cut off shield. this cut off shield retracts down, to give way for additional lighting above cut off. you can cycle this on and off, the only thing that can go wrong is frying the solenoid of your projectors hahaha!

just as long as the bulb is not switched on and off your bulb and ballast will do just fine

[NighthawkGT]

ok na ok ang thread na eto! thank you very much po sir NighthawkGT for taking the time to answer our questions
1 tanong na lang po: ilan watts po ok sa montero?

okay this has been debated for quite so long in other forums. HID was designed to run at 35W. that is one of its advantages, lower power consumption and high lumen rating.
of course there are some people, including me, that cant get enough of bright, intense, CONTROLLED lighting. running 50W ballast will result in a much more higher bulb temperatures. As tested by others, running a 35W china bulb with 50W ballast produce so much heat that it can damage the chrome in the reflector bowl of projectors, much as with semi sealed projectors.
so running 50W ballast with china bulbs has risks of damaging the projector. What other people do is they use OEM philips bulbs. that produce much lower temperatures than running with china bulbs but ofcourse much higher than running standard 35W bulb.
as far as boosting ballasts power is concerned, some mercedes benzes have a smart ballast in which it boost the ballast output power to 38W when traveling at high speeds, this increases visibility about 100m as i have read somewhere. its a very conservative increase and would not damage the projectors

[s_quilicot]

okay this has been debated for quite so long in other forums. HID was designed to run at 35W. that is one of its advantages, lower power consumption and high lumen rating.
of course there are some people, including me, that cant get enough of bright, intense, CONTROLLED lighting. running 50W ballast will result in a much more higher bulb temperatures. As tested by others, running a 35W china bulb with 50W ballast produce so much heat that it can damage the chrome in the reflector bowl of projectors, much as with semi sealed projectors.
so running 50W ballast with china bulbs has risks of damaging the projector. What other people do is they use OEM philips bulbs. that produce much lower temperatures than running with china bulbs but ofcourse much higher than running standard 35W bulb.
as far as boosting ballasts power is concerned, some mercedes benzes have a smart ballast in which it boost the ballast output power to 38W when traveling at high speeds, this increases visibility about 100m as i have read somewhere. its a very conservative increase and would not damage the projectors

NH,

on average, how much is the 50w ballast?

[testament11]

o, nighthawk, thanks for sharing them what you taught me nung nagpa-retrofit ako sa yo a few months ago. i'm glad na maganda ang respond ng mga tsikoteers sa thread mo.

[s_quilicot]

^^ Oo nga pala. thanks NH. looking forward to meet you personally.


Btw, do you sell HID kits alone?


Pa PM price if ever. Thanks.

[surg]

okay this has been debated for quite so long in other forums. HID was designed to run at 35W. that is one of its advantages, lower power consumption and high lumen rating.
of course there are some people, including me, that cant get enough of bright, intense, CONTROLLED lighting. running 50W ballast will result in a much more higher bulb temperatures. As tested by others, running a 35W china bulb with 50W ballast produce so much heat that it can damage the chrome in the reflector bowl of projectors, much as with semi sealed projectors.
so running 50W ballast with china bulbs has risks of damaging the projector. What other people do is they use OEM philips bulbs. that produce much lower temperatures than running with china bulbs but ofcourse much higher than running standard 35W bulb.
as far as boosting ballasts power is concerned, some mercedes benzes have a smart ballast in which it boost the ballast output power to 38W when traveling at high speeds, this increases visibility about 100m as i have read somewhere. its a very conservative increase and would not damage the projectors

hehe pacencya na po pero lalo ako nalito. so magkaiba po pala wattage ng bulb sa ballast? if yes, do you mean ok na po 35 watts na bulb basta 50 watts yun ballast?
sana po habaan nyo pa pacencya nyo sa mga tanong ko