HID problem on my reflector halogen..

[ZENMasterTYL]

kasing linaw na ng hid ang explanation ni gary. ewan ko na lang pag may kokontra pa

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Hintayin natin sagot ni confused kung naiintindihan niya.

Kasi sabi niya yun kanya walang glare eh.. WALA


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[atog]

ok to thread na ginawa ko akala ko yes or no lang ang sagot may debate pa..mga idol sa dami trying and error,gastos at sakit ng ulo na nagawa ko hiace at civic ko about lightning isa lang naka pag satisfied sakin,ang mag tangal ng front tint..pero sa pag kakamali at kabobohan ignorance katangahan ko sa experience ko tama naman kayo lahat,...about sa PnP na hid yes pwede (take note sa hiace yes same cut of ng koito bulb..but sa civic no never dahil ang glare abot hangan hood)but take note on my experience nag kakaroon siya ng gas mark sa halogen reflector so it means di talaga designed for halogen housing,sa projector ok lang dahil di naman nkikita un loob..Pero paki usap lang sa mga naka projectors alam ko nakakaingit yan cut off at beam ng ilaw niyo please lang mag low naman kayo pag may kasalubong or nakatutuk mukha naman di niyo napansin na naka high ang projector niyo..

wala naman sa projector or PNP na hid ang pagiging responsible driver mga idol..ask niyo sarili niyo at sure mag kaugali tayo diba..mga pinoy kasi tayo anyway!!!!

pero may solution na sa problema natin para lahat happy at wala na tanga sa road..PRICE DOWN FOR PROJECTOR RETROFIT..

[MR_MAHAROT]

natakot nga ako sir kaya di ako nakisawsaw.hehehhe ung mge earlier post na nagbigay ng links ng nagreretrofit offers different packages naman.pili ka nalang kung saan swak ang budget.kung gusto mo magtipid pa lalo, magorder ka online ng parts den hanap ka ng magkakabit or DIY mo pag kaya ng loob mo sir hehehehe

[atog]

natakot nga ako sir kaya di ako nakisawsaw.hehehhe ung mge earlier post na nagbigay ng links ng nagreretrofit offers different packages naman.pili ka nalang kung saan swak ang budget.kung gusto mo magtipid pa lalo, magorder ka online ng parts den hanap ka ng magkakabit or DIY mo pag kaya ng loob mo sir hehehehe

oo nga sir ako din,baka may masabi ako then yari hehehe,,,basta kung anu naging experience i share free country naman ang philippines..rest muna for experiment about lightning happy na ako sa wla tint..

[confused shoes]

Lets keep the discussion objective and walang personalan. We need to discuss based on science and facts para people browsing this forum can learn from it.

original question was bakit parang merong "nasunog" (not a techinical term, hehe) after the installation of plug and play HIDs inside an H4 halogen headlamps. ano ba nag cause neto? I think dun nagsimula, tama ba? correct me if I am wrong.

naku baka maging mahaba eto. anyway we really don't know kasi hindi naman natin nakita yung headlight sa actual, picture lang and marami pwedeng mag cause neto. Based on experience pwede yung hid system or even a mfg defect on the headlight, especially kung aftermarket. To the thread starter, ilan months naba naka kabit yung HID?

it might be the hid syst: some cheap HID kits or what we can call plug and play HIDs have spotty quality built into them. Very normal for this cheap hids to malfunction in less than a year. One concern they have and I think it might be related to this is the fact that they dont give out the claimed wattage. Kung 35w yung bulb/ballasts combo lumaabas more than that. minsan mas mababa naman. Another thing is with the UV coating they receive. Many of this cheap bulbs dont even have it or sobrang pangit na quality of UV coating which can attack plastics kasi the light source will produce UV.

My guess is that it is a combination of hid system and the headlamps itself. Some headlamps will not be affected by HIDS or even high wattage halogen lamps while others will get burnt easily. Ano ba yung headlamp na naka post ni thread starter coz I might be able to comment on that.

Along the way, na discuss yung glare produced by HIDs. Ok it wil produce glare I am sure but different headlamps will produce different amounts of glare with HIDs on them. Some of the bad ones, Gen1 Fortuner, Jazz GD and GE, Innova, etc. Some headlamps will produce less but it will still produce glare because the 3x more light generated by the HID has to go somewhere. Some people will lower the height of the cutoff to reduce the glare but this defeats the purpose of having better lighting than can illuminate further down the road.

Here are some pictures I made way back 2009 comparing stock halogen bulbs and PNP hids.

Upgrading Your Lighting System | HID Retrofit

The picture will speak for itself.

You can also see here glare produced by a Honda Civic EG with PNP hids



eto front view and you can see light scattering above the cutoff



this is an output of an HID headlamp with hid reflectors, RHD Japanese, just sharing, took this picture while experimenting, just to show meron mga HIDs on reflector type housing built for HIDs like Forester, Civic 2.0 and Altis 2.0



Civic headlight with PNP hids and you can see the glare above the cutoff:



Halogen headlights are designed for halogen bulbs. Matagal kasi explain diffence ng halogen sa HID so wiki na lang. From output to positioning of the electrodes, etc, Iba talaga. You cannot maximize the output of an HID bulb if it's installed on a halogen housing. As mentioned, the glare varies of you install pnp hids.

Na mention din Philips kit na pwede sa halogen headlamps. Meron siguro kasi nandun nga sa website. I am not sure if it's road legal though kasi baka export lang yun and also I am sure nothing comes out of the U.S or European Union coz bawal talaga yung pnp hids on halogen housing dun. Saw this 'Philips' kit rin sa Singapore website but the fact remains wala naman sa atin nakapag try kung walang glare if it's installed to halogen housing or even the performance of this kits. Technically you can lessen the upper glare above the cutoff but nothing compared to the output of HID projectors.

I started retrofitting because I want better lighting system for my old hatch without glaring other motorist. I also try to be a responsible motorist and can you imagine if we all drive responsibly? ang ganda siguro ng Manila. Walang counterflow, alam natin ibig sabihin ng X sa intersection (hindi ibig sabihin nun meron buried treasure ok? and you are free to camp out sa gitna, keep it open, pag walang exit, dont enter, hehe), we use add ons/upgrades to our car responsibly, i.e we dont affect negatively the rights of others as motorists and courteous at marunong magbigay lahat eh di ang ganda ng Pilipinas.

So there you go, napuyat ako coz of this, hehe. Can you imagine someone texted me kasi meron daw spirited discussion sa tsikot? bihira yun ha mabuhay kayo lahat especially to all responsible Filipino motorists!

Very well said, sir.

[D3nb3r]

now back to regular programing :bounceD:

[testament11]

So ano naman masasabi ni confused shoes ngayon? Confused pa rin ba matapos ang mga info bombs na pinakawalan dito? Sana lang maliwanagan ka na at wag mong ipilit ang gusto mo dahil mali talaga ang nakita naming lahat sa iyo, lalo na sa mindset mo regarding HID.

[confused shoes]

So ano naman masasabi ni confused shoes ngayon? Confused pa rin ba matapos ang mga info bombs na pinakawalan dito? Sana lang maliwanagan ka na at wag mong ipilit ang gusto mo dahil mali talaga ang nakita naming lahat sa iyo, lalo na sa mindset mo regarding HID.

Oy, maroon pang aftershock.
Siguro naniwala na kayo sa sinasabi kong may HID coversion kit ang Philips dahil pinatunayan na ni sir Gary.

[c_cube]

Oy, maroon pang aftershock.
Siguro naniwala na kayo sa sinasabi kong may HID coversion kit ang Philips dahil pinatunayan na ni sir Gary.

pero may glare parin oto mo..

nuff said

[garyq]

Na mention din Philips kit na pwede sa halogen headlamps. Meron siguro kasi nandun nga sa website. I am not sure if it's road legal though kasi baka export lang yun and also I am sure nothing comes out of the U.S or European Union coz bawal talaga yung pnp hids on halogen housing dun. Saw this 'Philips' kit rin sa Singapore website but the fact remains wala naman sa atin nakapag try kung walang glare if it's installed to halogen housing or even the performance of this kits. Technically you can lessen the upper glare above the cutoff but nothing compared to the output of HID projectors.

as posted I cannot vouch for these kits as original or even something na without glare or gaano ka useful yung actual output coz I have'nt tried it yet. Let's revive it in the future pag meron nakabili and meron actual shots. Heck, I can even install it for free if you want to experiment

Yung upgrade sa ilaw meron bearing yan kasi sa ibang motorists kasi nga meron mga setups nakakasilaw talaga. So part din of being a responsible driver/owner yung upgrade sa ilaw. Whatever you do: halogen upgrade, HID upgrade, LED upgrade, mahalaga as you enjoy that right, you also don't negatively affect the rights of other people as they enjoy theirs. Sounds fair?

Again let's keep our comments and opinions objective para naman walang natatakot na mag comment. The more info, the better. We can all learn from one another.

Can we close this thread kasi I think nasagot na lahat? agree, disagree?, spin-a-win...ok yung mga matatanda lang nakaka-intindi nun....hahahaha

[testament11]

Yah nuff said na. Still, hindi advisable ang HID on a reflector type headlamp assembly unless designed siya para doon.

Sige gary, second the motion na rin ako. Mahirap kasi patinuin ang isang baluktot na katwiran.

GH, hatulan mo na!!!

[confused shoes]

pero may glare parin oto mo..

nuff said

Ayan second aftershock. Ang linaw linaw na ngang parang HID ang sinasabi ni sir Gary. Mahirap talagang makipagtalo sa sarado ang pag-iisip at hindi nagbabasa at kung nagbabasa man, hindi iniintindi ang binabasa. Sayang lang ang pinagpuyatan ni sir Gary.

[confused shoes]

Na mention din Philips kit na pwede sa halogen headlamps. Meron siguro kasi nandun nga sa website. I am not sure if it's road legal though kasi baka export lang yun and also I am sure nothing comes out of the U.S or European Union coz bawal talaga yung pnp hids on halogen housing dun. Saw this 'Philips' kit rin sa Singapore website but the fact remains wala naman sa atin nakapag try kung walang glare if it's installed to halogen housing or even the performance of this kits. Technically you can lessen the upper glare above the cutoff but nothing compared to the output of HID projectors.

as posted I cannot vouch for these kits as original or even something na without glare or gaano ka useful yung actual output coz I have'nt tried it yet. Let's revive it in the future pag meron nakabili and meron actual shots. Heck, I can even install it for free if you want to experiment

Yung upgrade sa ilaw meron bearing yan kasi sa ibang motorists kasi nga meron mga setups nakakasilaw talaga. So part din of being a responsible driver/owner yung upgrade sa ilaw. Whatever you do: halogen upgrade, HID upgrade, LED upgrade, mahalaga as you enjoy that right, you also don't negatively affect the rights of other people as they enjoy theirs. Sounds fair?

Again let's keep our comments and opinions objective para naman walang natatakot na mag comment. The more info, the better. We can all learn from one another.

Can we close this thread kasi I think nasagot na lahat? agree, disagree?, spin-a-win...ok yung mga matatanda lang nakaka-intindi nun....hahahaha

Fair sir!
Mabuti na lang may isang sir Gary ang tsikot.

[c_cube]

Ayan second aftershock. Ang linaw linaw na ngang parang HID ang sinasabi ni sir Gary. Mahirap talagang makipagtalo sa sarado ang pag-iisip at hindi nagbabasa at kung nagbabasa man, hindi iniintindi ang binabasa. Sayang lang ang pinagpuyatan ni sir Gary.

:funny:

:funa:

:stupid:

[confused shoes]

Yah nuff said na. Still, hindi advisable ang HID on a reflector type headlamp assembly unless designed siya para doon.

Sige gary, second the motion na rin ako. Mahirap kasi patinuin ang isang baluktot na katwiran.

GH, hatulan mo na!!!

At meron pang isang sumbungero.

Nang pinatunayan ni sir Gary ang sinasabi ko, di mo naman ngayon matanggap.

Anyway pare, Sabado ngayon siguro wala ka naman pasok so you have all the time to research and write something productive like sir Gary. Paninilwalaan pa kita. Makakatulong pa ka pa kay TS para magdecide kung ano ang gagawin. Of course, I respect sir Gary, because he is right.

Siguro naman pag sinabi kong tama si sir Gary at agree ka rin sa kanya, so ano pang issue. If A=C, and B=C, then A=B. Tama?

[s10pao]

Na mention din Philips kit na pwede sa halogen headlamps. Meron siguro kasi nandun nga sa website. I am not sure if it's road legal though kasi baka export lang yun and also I am sure nothing comes out of the U.S or European Union coz bawal talaga yung pnp hids on halogen housing dun. Saw this 'Philips' kit rin sa Singapore website but the fact remains wala naman sa atin nakapag try kung walang glare if it's installed to halogen housing or even the performance of this kits. Technically you can lessen the upper glare above the cutoff but nothing compared to the output of HID projectors.

as posted I cannot vouch for these kits as original or even something na without glare or gaano ka useful yung actual output coz I have'nt tried it yet. Let's revive it in the future pag meron nakabili and meron actual shots. Heck, I can even install it for free if you want to experiment

hehehe tempting ung offer mo. pero kakatawag ko lang sa customer service ng Philips Philippines at sabi nila hindi na raw sila nagbebenta ng car lights since 2-3 years ago.

bad trip na philips website hindi updated

[confused shoes]

hehehe tempting ung offer mo. pero kakatawag ko lang sa customer service ng Philips Philippines at sabi nila hindi na raw sila nagbebenta ng car lights since 2-3 years ago.

bad trip na philips website hindi updated

Dahil naglabas ang Philips ng HID conversion kit, naglabas din ang Osram ng Xenarc conversion kit just two months ago and it's even cheaper. So hindi na lang limited sa D-series (85xxx) ang available from both.

Philips released H1, H3, H4, H7, H11, 9005, and 9006. They are called 858xx. Osram followed. Please note hindi yan mga fake at hindi nakapack sa suitcase but in a gift carton box.

[garyq]

confuse: can I suggest you start a thread for these so called kits kasi malayo na tayo dun sa original na topic? When people browse these forums mas maganda madali nila makita yung hinahanap nila. tapos post din ng output ng dmax mo para makita namin. As I said, we can all learn from each other. Park mo sa level ground, 25ft. away from the wall, perpendicular dapat yung oto sa wall tapos note the height from the ground to the middle of your bulbs tapos let us know nasaan yung cutoff sa wall. Maganda rin gabi mo kuhanan para makita natin. Watcha think?

[confused shoes]

*garyq, I am afraid I may not able to do that because my time in the Philippines is really limited where a nap at the airport is what I call a sleep. Hope you guys can understand.