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[s_quilicot]

i think sir 9005 for low beam and 9006 for high beam ..

[starfire81]

^oic. thanks for the info po.

[lancer-gpx]

i found additional useful information. this time, it's on kelvin rating. from: http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

i'll just quote the important points to stress but please take time to read the entire article.

first on the bulb types:

HID bulbs come in two common standards today known as: D2S and D2R. D2S uses the D2 base and a clear, naked bulb. D2R uses the same D2 base and a bulb with a metallic strip along one edge to combat unwanted glare in the reflector headlamp. So in OEM HID applications D2R is used in reflector-type HID assemblies whereas D2S is used in projector-type assemblies. When you're purchasing an HID kit, you want to go with a D2S bulb because it emits slightly more light than the D2R.

then on kelvin ratings and their effects (this is part of the article's misonceptions section):

Philips is the number one manufacturer of HID bulbs. The Philips OEM D2S bulb is rated at 4100K at 12.8 volts and produces 3200 lumens of light. The Philips Ultinon D2S is 5800K at 12.8 volts and produces 2400 lumens of light. As you can see, with all other factors remaining constant, the brightness of an HID bulb declines the higher up the color index you go. Vision, a Korean bulb manufacturer, makes an 8000K bulb, which they used to advertise on Acura-Forums as 2000 lumens bright. This is barely a marked improvement over halogens, and will produce more glare and eye fatigue than it is beneficial. 4100K has been proven through tireless independent research by the Germans, Japanese, and Americans to be the most functional, truest white and thus the brightest possible color temperature (ceteris paribus).

Every car manufacturer in the world (including BMW and Audi) uses none other than a standard 4100K gas-discharge bulb. No exceptions. The reason being is that 4100K is daylight white in color and produces the same color visible light as direct sunlight. This is least fatiguing functional color on the eyes and produces the most comfortable contrast on the road.

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Trying to emulate this color-flickering effect with a solid-state blue or purple bulb is only detrimental to lighting performance, it doesn't fool anyone, but most importantly it endangers other motorists around you. Blue light has what we call a very high diffuse density, which causes it to radiate outwards as opposed to forwards. What results is a wide glow of light outside the beam pattern that is blinding to motorists you share the road with. A blue HID bulb will produce color bleed around the headlight, around the objects it lights up, outside of the beam pattern, and around the cut off line. This is effect is known as "glare", and these illegal and improperly installed HID kits are the reason why HIDs get a bad wrap. As common evidence of glare, observe a traffic light at night in a dimly lit area. There is red light and green light. Red is opposite blue and green is next to blue, thus we can substitute green for blue. If you observe the aura, or glow, of light around a red light and compare it to that of a green light, you'll notice that the green light produces much more glare than red. Blue is even worse. Purple, the worst.


Above you are looking at two 8000K HID low beam and fog light kits installed on a GS300 (gs300). One of the foglights retains the orignal halogen bulb for comparison purposes.


What I'm trying to illustrate here is the glow of blue light (or glare) that radiates off 8000K bulbs. This glow breaks out of the beam pattern and blinds oncoming motorists. Also note how small the actual brightness gain is when you go from factory halogen to 8000K HID. Is it even worth your while?

One trick these HID con artists use is to market their HID kit as "German Philips 8000K HID kit". When I inspect these advertisements closely, what they are in fact doing is selling you a real Philips ballast, but some cheesy, generic, unlabelled 8000K HID bulb. But what it sounds like is that you're getting genuine Philips 8000K bulbs. Not the case. Many of these 8000K bulbs aren't really even producing 8000K light internally. I've seen 5000K, 7000K, and 8000K HID bulbs with blue films coated over the bulb, which act to filter out all light produced except blue and purple. This in effect dims your light output substantially.

All of the bulb manufacturers that make bulbs over 6000K are smaller, relatively nameless start-ups. This explains why they are producing a poor selection of bulbs. Philips and Osram control the oligopoly on the HID bulb market, and the only way for these small guys to stay afloat is to appeal to the niche market of rice-boys who want their cars to look unique in any and all ways possible regardless of tact or taste. So they manage to successfully peddle these 8000K bulbs to a smaller group of uninformed buyers knowing that they'll have no chance trying to head-off Philips or Osram in the OEM market.

and more notes on maximizing the performance of HIDs:

The HID optics are the main components that make up a projector/reflector assembly (reflector bowl, lens, shield, D2 base, etc). Without this third leg of the equation, you will still definitely achieve brighter lighting on the road, but you will not achieve the advertised 3200 lumen brightness, you will not achieve the signature color flicker seen in BMWs, and you will not achieve a proper beam pattern. Because of this, a subculture of retrofitters has emerged, salvaging OEM HID parts from wrecking yards, ebay, and other sources, in order to transplant identical systems into their own non-HID cars, and thus emulating the OEM HID lighting system.

hope this helps, guys!

[batang_raon14]

Just wanna share to my favorite community a proper HID installation, here's my car with the RETROFITTED Projector assembly and 4300K HID kit:









It's been a long itch to go HID, but never did I give in to the itch of going forward WITHOUT getting the proper assembly first. It's been a long search, and finally it got through. Ang laki ng satisfaction ko in waiting, compared it with an HID fitted to a reflector type housing at cut-off at clarity pa lang iba talaga. Kaya don't go HID without finding a projector assembly first! It ain't cool going HID without it, and its disrespectful sa mga makakasalubong mo sa daan.

HID parts were bought from HRCP's Nighthawk Tim and retrofitting was done at ABAY's repair shop in Evangelista. PM me if you want their contact numbers.

[rion]

coolness bro! yung pagbili mo ng projector, yung angel eyes included naba? or it's a seperate part but fitted all together?

[sloman]

pwede ba mag list down tayo ng mga cars na locally distributed w/ projectors na pede natin gamitin/kahuyan for retrofitting? Para pwede tyo maghanap ng sa mga surplasan.

as wat i've read...

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tnx

[batang_raon14]

coolness bro! yung pagbili mo ng projector, yung angel eyes included naba? or it's a seperate part but fitted all together?

That's before Sir, cooler ngayon kasi naayos ko na ung alignment. Post ko yung pics sa Me and My Tsikot.

Yung angel eyes is separate pero plug-and-play siya sa projector mismo. Yung problema na na-encounter ko lang e ung pag-fill ng 12 LEDS sa angel eyes. Hirap maghinang kasi kailangan pa ng resistor. hehehe pero all is well. Very satisfied. Wala akong nabubwisit sa daan at kapag nasa gasolinahan ako pag-on ko ng ilaw eh mapapatingin yung mga tao. Nakakatawa kasi ang nasa isip kong hirit nila e "ayos sentrang pang-taxi naka-HID". haha

[s_quilicot]

Just wanna share to my favorite community a proper HID installation, here's my car with the RETROFITTED Projector assembly and 4300K HID kit:









It's been a long itch to go HID, but never did I give in to the itch of going forward WITHOUT getting the proper assembly first. It's been a long search, and finally it got through. Ang laki ng satisfaction ko in waiting, compared it with an HID fitted to a reflector type housing at cut-off at clarity pa lang iba talaga. Kaya don't go HID without finding a projector assembly first! It ain't cool going HID without it, and its disrespectful sa mga makakasalubong mo sa daan.

HID parts were bought from HRCP's Nighthawk Tim and retrofitting was done at ABAY's repair shop in Evangelista. PM me if you want their contact numbers.

how much po yun gprojector assembly? 9005 ba?

[batang_raon14]

how much po yun gprojector assembly? 9005 ba?

Projector assembly lang is 9K (allows High and low operations through solenoid). Total costs 25K++ kasi mapipilitan ka talagang mag-DIY like I did. 3 sleepless nights ako ngayon para lang maayos ung alignment ng beam, otherwise di kasi ako makaka-focus sa work. D2S po ang bulb, pero you can force to put a 9005 bulb or any other bulb, kaya lang mamomroblema ka pa sa pag custom-fit ng holder niya.

EDIT: btw, familiar yung trooper mo. Do you wear glasses, have a driver, and went to LA Cars before for a repair of your fog lamps and tint? curious lang. hehe

[batang_raon14]

Beam finally aligned:


Replaced old angel eyes of 4pcs.LED to 24pcs.LED with resistors:


Other pics at the Me and My Tsikot Area. Basta sa mga mage-HID NO TO SHORTCUT METHOD dapat. Haha sobrang hirap ng DIY, worth it nga lang. Makakatulog na rin. Hehe

[s_quilicot]

EDIT: btw, familiar yung trooper mo. Do you wear glasses, have a driver, and went to LA Cars before for a repair of your fog lamps and tint? curious lang. hehe

sir ikaw ba yung whole day na nasa tint room?

yep i think tayo yung nagkasabay sa tint room when nag pa repair ako ng tint sa quarter window.

hows your tint sa rear sir?

[s_quilicot]

Beam finally aligned:


Replaced old angel eyes of 4pcs.LED to 24pcs.LED with resistors:


Other pics at the Me and My Tsikot Area. Basta sa mga mage-HID NO TO SHORTCUT METHOD dapat. Haha sobrang hirap ng DIY, worth it nga lang. Makakatulog na rin. Hehe

sir what bulb po ba ang ginamit for low and for high? could post pics sa pattern ng high beam? TIA

planning to get a chrome projector narin for altis ..

OT: guys may projector type HL for trooper sa casa pero it'll cost 55k !! ouch!

[batang_raon14]

sir what bulb po ba ang ginamit for low and for high? could post pics sa pattern ng high beam? TIA

planning to get a chrome projector narin for altis ..

OT: guys may projector type HL for trooper sa casa pero it'll cost 55k !! ouch!

D2S Sir, yung projector ang nagpeperform ng HI/LO operations through a solenoid mechanism (may mechnaical shield na nagmu-move to perform the HI).

[s_quilicot]

D2S Sir, yung projector ang nagpeperform ng HI/LO operations through a solenoid mechanism (may mechnaical shield na nagmu-move to perform the HI).

ganito ata yung sa trooper ko .. yung parang talukap? and maingay pag change ka from hi to low bean .

[Lucius]

DIY lahat? WOW! Kakabilib ka naman sir

[batang_raon14]

sir ikaw ba yung whole day na nasa tint room?

yep i think tayo yung nagkasabay sa tint room when nag pa repair ako ng tint sa quarter window.

hows your tint sa rear sir?

Hehe, ako nga yun. Oks naman yung tint, medyo awkward pero it's still there. Pangit kasi ng rear windshield ko e, may visor. (Teka offtopic na tayo)
Pic nga pala ng HI Sir nasa Me and My Tsikot na. As per sa talukap, I'm not pretty sure pero I think telescopic ang nakalagay sa Trooper mo. Kasi ito projector ang may assembly eh, hindi yung bulb, which I think e wala sa Trooper. Pero I can be wrong though.

*Lucius

Actually Sir yung unang pagbaklas at retrofit hindi ako gumawa, sa Evangelist ko po dinala (Abay Repair Shop). Magaling yung pagka-retrofit, kaya lang sobrang mali yung alignment. Eh nahihiya rin akong bumalik-balik at nanotice ko rin na given the situation (araw) eh hindi rin niya maa-align maigi, bumili na lang ako ng sarili kong heat gun at gamit. Ginaya ko lang yung paggawa niya sa pagdisassemble ng headlight, then ako na nag-barena ng panibagong mga butas para ma-fit ko ng maigi yung projector at ma-align ko ng maayos.

It took 3 days with work on top, fortunately natapos din.

[glenn_sp]

sir batang_raon pwede kaya yang pina-retrofit mo sa starex grx? saka pwede rin ba lagyan ng projector ung foglamps ng grx and mgkano kaya aabutin? bihira ko na i-on ung headlamps ko, nkakasilaw, daming ngagalit na kasalubong.. nagagamit ko na lng cya sa mga nka hi-beam, para mapahiya sila.. hehehe.. ano po number ni abay's repair shop? may nkaready na po ba clang projector? tnx po.

[rion]

Yung angel eyes is separate pero plug-and-play siya sa projector mismo. Yung problema na na-encounter ko lang e ung pag-fill ng 12 LEDS sa angel eyes. Hirap maghinang kasi kailangan pa ng resistor.

so yung angel eyes po wala pang ilaw/leds sa pagbili?

marami po bang Angel eyes in different sizes?

Projector assembly lang is 9K (allows High and low operations through solenoid)

so is your HID po bi-Xenon? your solenoid is purchased along with the HID kit? or your projector has it's own controled solenoid switch?

Replaced old angel eyes of 4pcs.LED to 24pcs.LED with resistors:

angel eyes lang ba ito? wow it's so bright!

OT: guys may projector type HL for trooper sa casa pero it'll cost 55k !! ouch!

let's hope may taiwan version rin yan.

saka pwede rin ba lagyan ng projector ung foglamps ng grx and mgkano kaya aabutin?

I suggest measure po yung space sa foglamp area, para may rough idea po ka. you can also look for surplus projector foglamps in banawe.

[batang_raon14]

sir batang_raon pwede kaya yang pina-retrofit mo sa starex grx? saka pwede rin ba lagyan ng projector ung foglamps ng grx and mgkano kaya aabutin? bihira ko na i-on ung headlamps ko, nkakasilaw, daming ngagalit na kasalubong.. nagagamit ko na lng cya sa mga nka hi-beam, para mapahiya sila.. hehehe.. ano po number ni abay's repair shop? may nkaready na po ba clang projector? tnx po.

Pwede po yan Sir. Mas maluwag pa nga ata yung assembly niyo compared sa Sentra. Abay's repair shop does not have the projector supplies. Si Abay lang yung nagretrofit nung umpisa ng saken. Pwede rin yung fog lights, kasi maliit lang talaga yung projector itself kung di mo lalagyan ng shrouds (o takip). You have to guide him with alignment kasi yung pagkakafit sa left-hand side ay dapat same sa pagkakafit sa right-hand side assembly niyo. Otherwise hirap ka sa alignment like what happened to me. Yung projector supplies kay Nighthawk Tim naman ng HRCP. If you want the contact numbers, PM me na lang.

so yung angel eyes po wala pang ilaw/leds sa pagbili?

marami po bang Angel eyes in different sizes?



so is your HID po bi-Xenon? your solenoid is purchased along with the HID kit? or your projector has it's own controled solenoid switch?



angel eyes lang ba ito? wow it's so bright!



let's hope may taiwan version rin yan.



I suggest measure po yung space sa foglamp area, para may rough idea po ka. you can also look for surplus projector foglamps in banawe.

Yes Sir wala pang kasamang ilaw, pero may lagayan na siya. Lalagyan mo na lang talaga. Yung HID ko po bi-xenon po. And yung solenoid e naka-install na sa assembly mismo (which is 9k), na iko-connect na lang yung wire sa HIGH ng stock wiring niyo. So kung gusto niyo po mag-HIGH, yung stock switch niyo lang din po kailangang gamitin.

Yung sa angel eyes kasama po siya sa shrouds (takip ng projector assembly), alam ko isa lang yung supply ni Tim so kung ano sinalpak ko saken eh yun din. Bri_g though of Toyota Club may have a different set though. Bright po talaga siya kasi 12 LED's po yung hininang ko per shroud.

[s_quilicot]

Pwede po yan Sir. Mas maluwag pa nga ata yung assembly niyo compared sa Sentra. Abay's repair shop does not have the projector supplies. Si Abay lang yung nagretrofit nung umpisa ng saken. Pwede rin yung fog lights, kasi maliit lang talaga yung projector itself kung di mo lalagyan ng shrouds (o takip). You have to guide him with alignment kasi yung pagkakafit sa left-hand side ay dapat same sa pagkakafit sa right-hand side assembly niyo. Otherwise hirap ka sa alignment like what happened to me. Yung projector supplies kay Nighthawk Tim naman ng HRCP. If you want the contact numbers, PM me na lang.



Yes Sir wala pang kasamang ilaw, pero may lagayan na siya. Lalagyan mo na lang talaga. Yung HID ko po bi-xenon po. And yung solenoid e naka-install na sa assembly mismo (which is 9k), na iko-connect na lang yung wire sa HIGH ng stock wiring niyo. So kung gusto niyo po mag-HIGH, yung stock switch niyo lang din po kailangang gamitin.

Yung sa angel eyes kasama po siya sa shrouds (takip ng projector assembly), alam ko isa lang yung supply ni Tim so kung ano sinalpak ko saken eh yun din. Bri_g though of Toyota Club may have a different set though. Bright po talaga siya kasi 12 LED's po yung hininang ko per shroud.

sir im interested din pero i dont have time mag DIY .. sang shop po ba nabili tong projector and how long gawin and mga how much kaya yung retrofitting lang? again TIA !