Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[toho]

moderator's note:

if you are looking for Ringostarr's posts and replies on his personal views & opinions on the evils & dangers of auto-lpg, I have moved them to a separate thread:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=1#post1078677

Aye thank you for the move. Nakakadagdag sa clutter, mahaba na nga yung thread as it is.

Don't get me wrong, I respect the opinion of Ringostarr and everyone else's even though I don't agree with all of them but there has to be order. It's difficult to discuss so many things in one place.

That set aside, back to the topic with some lingering questions;

1. Wala bang installer dito sa Las Pinas or Alabang, Paranaque area? Just in case I have to go back & forth for maintenance, back job, etc., it will be less stressful if the installer is close by.


2. If the installation is done well, i.e. on an SGI system, is there a need to come back for other routine adjustments? If so, how many times more or less?

3. What about warranty, what is normal in the industry?

4. What happens if my installer closes shop and my system needs repair? Can I just simply go to another installer for repair and be able to use their spare parts to replace my defective parts? Or will I be railroaded to buy a whole new system or be content to have a lemon?


Actually this is my biggest fear. Knowing that most installers are new players, this is a big question mark.

Kaya request ko lang po sa mga naka pag convert na, Please kwento namam kayo kung satisfied kayo sa after sales service nung installer ninyo? Makinis ba yung installation? Or marami bang balik bago tumakbo ng maayos yung car mo?

[SELEGNA_35]

Pwede bang convert ang MB100 na Van sa LPG?

[ghosthunter]

Pwede bang convert ang MB100 na Van sa LPG?

I think the MB100 has a 2.9L diesel engine. So the short answer is "no".

[ghosthunter]

2. If the installation is done well, i.e. on an SGI system, is there a need to come back for other routine adjustments? If so, how many times more or less?

None. You don't have to go back for any adjustments. Maybe a visit a month or so after the installation to re-check if everything is tight and secure.

3. What about warranty, what is normal in the industry?

Typical is one year.

4. What happens if my installer closes shop and my system needs repair? Can I just simply go to another installer for repair and be able to use their spare parts to replace my defective parts? Or will I be railroaded to buy a whole new system or be content to have a lemon?

Depends on what breaks down. But from what I have seen, most parts can be mix and match with the only limitation of the proper hose coupling or electrical socket fitting.

Actually this is my biggest fear. Knowing that most installers are new players, this is a big question mark.

TO minimize fears, best to go where a number of others have had their system fitted and happy afterwards.

Kaya request ko lang po sa mga naka pag convert na, Please kwento namam kayo kung satisfied kayo sa after sales service nung installer ninyo? Makinis ba yung installation? Or marami bang balik bago tumakbo ng maayos yung car mo?

My car was fitted at NAIADSS pioneer. Basically has that "talyer" feeling.

The other cars our family have were fitted at GREENFUEL. Quick and clean installations. Friendly people with fast responses to any problems, big or small. Typically, each car had to return once after installation to have a system check if everything was running well.

[SELEGNA_35]

I think the MB100 has a 2.9L diesel engine. So the short answer is "no".

Sir what is the reason behind? thanks

[ghosthunter]

Sir what is the reason behind? thanks

The current available kits from local auto-lpg installers are for gasoline engines.

Diesel engines "could" be converted to run a diesel/lpg mix (both fuel at the same time). Typical mix ratio is (diesel/lpg) 70%/30% to 60%/40%. The kits for this kind of installation is more expensive than gasoline conversion kits. P60K and up is the quoted price that I have heard. Fuel cost savings is pretty small, typically between five to ten percent savings from the price of diesel only.

So unless you are running a commercial diesel fed truck, this type of conversion is not economically feasible. Hence "no".

[tidus1203]

So what you guys are saying is bawal ang LPG conversion on diesel engines??

[userfriendly]

So what you guys are saying is bawal ang LPG conversion on diesel engines??

He's saying that lpg kits for diesels are not available locally.

It does not make sense to import them cause saving is minimal and payback will take too long.

[Redman7]

yung sagot... 60 liters...duh?!?

60 Liters...RMS...ha,ha,ha,

[ydnar]

Sir Mike,
Ask ko lang po kung magkano po ang quotation nya para sa Ford Sport Trac, interested po ako sa Auto LPG Conversion, bi-fuel po ba sya.
Thanks,
Randy

Thanks Paolorenzo for your endorsement. We really value such endorsements as this is a proof that Greenfuel can compete in terms of quality even if our price is competitive.


China Boi, your concern is legitimate. But rest assured that auto-lpg is very safe. I will not put my family into harms way as well.

I and probably some of the people in this thread have been using auto-lpg for a long time. If I had detected any sympton of sickness or disorder, I will be the first one to take this system out of my vehicle. And to think that auto-lpg is widely and encouraged in industrialized nations, is only added proof that this is a safe fuel.

The health concern of the driver, could have been brought about by pre-existing condition of the drivers. Auto-lpg is not toxic. And if for some reason it leaks a minute amount can be easily detected thus preventing further inhalation which may cause suffocation in enclosed areas.

The timing of raising this issue is kind of suspect as well. We all know that the most viable and readily available (cheaper) alternative fuel is auto-lpg. Why would such a report come out after years of existence of auto-lpg.

In countries such as UK, Italy, Germany, S.Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Australia, auto-lpg is a common alternative fuel. Why have these countries not issue any health warnings against auto-lpg same way they do with cigarettes?

There are far more studies done on cell phones, microwave ovens and other common gadgets that may pose more danger than auto-lpg and yet we use it as part of our everyday life.

[toho]

*Ghosthunter, thanks for the reply.
1. Follow up lang, yung typical 1 yr warranty, is this parts and service?
2. BTW, my wife drives a similar 1999 corolla 1.6 GLI AT like yours. Will you recommend an SGI system for this car? I know your "open Loop" system works fine for you, however my wife will not be able to do any tinkering when needed. Will an SGI system be a better choice especially for women or those wanting a more maintenance free set up?


*bigmike, thanks for your PM.
In your PM you mentioned and I quote "However, there are instances specially when vehicles undergo change oil, tune up and change in filter, that we might have to remap the ECU on the system"
1. What are the symptoms that the car engine will manifest that will indicate that this remap procedure will have to be done?
2. What happens if this is not done?
3. Will the engine make "tirik"?
4. Will the "casa" where I have my car tuned not be able to tune it properly if they are not familiar with the LPG set up?
5. Where do you have your Volvo serviced? Viking Motors?


*Redman7, likewise thanks for the PM.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=29208&page=72

In the link above where you show pictures of your car's engine bay, I notice that the ECU is exposed. Will this not pose any problem when you need to have an engine wash?

[paolorenzo]

Sa "Kid Audio" ko pinagawa yang skin tsip.....(sta. rosa laguna)
dyan nyo nalang ipagawa sa malapit sa inyo na mga nag se-setup ng audio/sounds... or sa banawe, more than 1K lang presyuhan.....2-3 hrs lang gawin...yung drying lang ng rugby para sa carpet ang nagpatagal skin.

Salamat Redman7. Sa Sun-X ko pinagawa, in Auto-Centro in front of Ali-Mall Cubao. Ang laki nung tank ng EROOM, so sobrang laki nung box. ½" MDF boards yung gamit so heavy duty. Yun nga lang napa-mahal ako. Inabot ng 3.2k damage ko. But I can't complain, kasi maganda gawa. Post ako pictures bukas.

Ok yung EROOM kit. Tuning is computerized, actually may device sila na kinakabit sa LPG ECU to measure and change the parameters. Ok rin yung auto-switch, pero minsan matagal mag-switch to LPG (parang over 2 minutes yata). Obserbahan ko pa. Overall happy ako, lalo after ko magbayad ng 1.3k lang para sa full-tank (sa Total, 45 liters).

[ghosthunter]

*Ghosthunter, thanks for the reply.
1. Follow up lang, yung typical 1 yr warranty, is this parts and service?
2. BTW, my wife drives a similar 1999 corolla 1.6 GLI AT like yours. Will you recommend an SGI system for this car? I know your "open Loop" system works fine for you, however my wife will not be able to do any tinkering when needed. Will an SGI system be a better choice especially for women or those wanting a more maintenance free set up?

1. yup.. typically parts & service.

2. if there is not mods done to the car, the SGI-LPG kit is also applicable to the 99 corolla Gli. Aside from the occasional playing around with the lpg kit's settings nearly two years ago, I hardly have touched or adjusted the settings for my corolla's lpg system.

The only major drag with my open loop system is the more frequent air filter servicing intervals.

SGI is a better choice anyway since it would give you a slight edge in fuel efficiency.

[ghosthunter]

Ok yung EROOM kit. Tuning is computerized, actually may device sila na kinakabit sa LPG ECU to measure and change the parameters. Ok rin yung auto-switch, pero minsan matagal mag-switch to LPG (parang over 2 minutes yata).

Basically the same din sa GREENFUEL. They connect a laptop to the system's ECU to see the current system parameters and sensor signals. They can also change parameters or use the self-learning system to auto-tune the LPG system. After everything is set, the new settings are saved to the LPG's ECU.

[Elroi]

Ok yung EROOM kit. Tuning is computerized, actually may device sila na kinakabit sa LPG ECU to measure and change the parameters. Ok rin yung auto-switch, pero minsan matagal mag-switch to LPG (parang over 2 minutes yata). Obserbahan ko pa. Overall happy ako, lalo after ko magbayad ng 1.3k lang para sa full-tank (sa Total, 45 liters).

congrats.. please post a more detailed feedback whenever possible..

The only major drag with my open loop system is the more frequent air filter servicing intervals.

when you say servicing, linis lang ba or replace na? and how frequent?

Basically the same din sa GREENFUEL. They connect a laptop to the system's ECU to see the current system parameters and sensor signals. They can also change parameters or use the self-learning system to auto-tune the LPG system. After everything is set, the new settings are saved to the LPG's ECU.

do they also apply this computerized tuning to open-loop system?


my mind is really set on converting.. the only thing that's holding me back is the lack of refueling stations outside manila, particularly in nueva ecija.

[esada80]

magkano ba mag pa convert? pwd ba yan sa avanza...? yung warranty nang toyota mawawla din ba?

[paolorenzo]

Salamat Redman7. Sa Sun-X ko pinagawa, in Auto-Centro in front of Ali-Mall Cubao. Ang laki nung tank ng EROOM, so sobrang laki nung box. ½" MDF boards yung gamit so heavy duty. Yun nga lang napa-mahal ako. Inabot ng 3.2k damage ko. But I can't complain, kasi maganda gawa. Post ako pictures bukas.

Pictures posed in my Photobucket album.

http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r...vo%20Auto-LPG/

[toho]

[quote=ghosthunter;1079579

2. if there is not mods done to the car, the SGI-LPG kit is also applicable to the 99 corolla Gli. Aside from the occasional playing around with the lpg kit's settings nearly two years ago, I hardly have touched or adjusted the settings for my corolla's lpg system.

The only major drag with my open loop system is the more frequent air filter servicing intervals.

SGI is a better choice anyway since it would give you a slight edge in fuel efficiency.[/quote]


*ghosthunter, I'm not sure who posted it here but somewhere I read that if you're going to a place with a higher altitude i.e. Baguio or Tagaytay and using an "open loop" system, adjustment of the fuel/air mixture is necessary to attain normal engine performance. However, with an 'SGI system" no adjustment is necessary. Is this correct?

Since I often go to Tagaytay on weekends will it then follow that it is best I use an "SGI system" if I am not inclined to do any adjustment before each trip? More so with my wife who has no ability to do it.

I am really grateful to all the info I am getting from this thread. Thanks to all, ghosthunter, bigmike, redman7, etc....

[ghosthunter]

*ghosthunter, I'm not sure who posted it here but somewhere I read that if you're going to a place with a higher altitude i.e. Baguio or Tagaytay and using an "open loop" system, adjustment of the fuel/air mixture is necessary to attain normal engine performance. However, with an 'SGI system" no adjustment is necessary. Is this correct?

Since I often go to Tagaytay on weekends will it then follow that it is best I use an "SGI system" if I am not inclined to do any adjustment before each trip? More so with my wife who has no ability to do it.

I am really grateful to all the info I am getting from this thread. Thanks to all, ghosthunter, bigmike, redman7, etc....

Well, Tagyatay isn't that high enough to make it necessary to adjust the a/f flow of the LPG kit. My car works well in Tagaytay and no lack of power to climb up even the steep roads in the area.

The only place I really felt the drop in power was when I almost reached Baguio City. But on a counter-point, even a modern EFi gasoline fed engine would have suffered similar loss of power simply due to altitude factors as well. The result in my car was the engine was running a touch too rich on LPG. The solution was simply to switch over to gasoline while I was in Baguio.

[ghosthunter]

magkano ba mag pa convert? pwd ba yan sa avanza...? yung warranty nang toyota mawawla din ba?

Avanza can be fitted with auto-LPG. Warranty depends on the dealer, you will have to contact your car's dealer if they will still let you retain the car's warranty after you have it installed with an auto-lpg kit.

Price varies from P23K for a venturi mixer kit to P39K for a SGI-LPG system * GREENFUEL.