Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[dencio1976]

engine bay nung isang nabangga. in this pic, makikita yung LPG hose going to the air cleaner. sayang at wala na yung pics nung isang taxi namin with a major rear collision. or i think i still might have it. hanapin ko pa.

[carbomb]

we can all download pics at the net but you cannot fabricate a genuine police report which we all can verify anytime the authenticity. anyway if those pics are true, your driver was very lucky but you cannot always rely on those lpg tanks because there is no such thing as 100% safe.

[niky]

we can all download pics at the net but you cannot fabricate a genuine police report which we all can verify anytime the authenticity. anyway if those pics are true, your driver was very lucky but you cannot always rely on those lpg tanks because there is no such thing as 100% safe.

So, what's your point, then?

Just the other day, a gasoline-powered Honda Civic caught fire and burned to the ground in UP Diliman.

Last week, a guy logged onto the Fordclub bulletin board asking about a burning Ford Escape. (gasoline-powered, also.)

And remember Dodot's "bombed" Innova (a case which was not pursued.. and which might have been the result of fault wiring...).

There have been at least two Toyota Vios's that have caught on fire... numerous L300s, a Ferrari ( ) and many other cars... cars catching fire at the gas pump due to static charge (from improperly grounded pumps... NOT cellphones)... something which can't happen as easily with LPG charging, since the fuel nozzle is airtight (unlike with gasoline or diesel).

In light of these numerous gasoline and diesel vehicle fires... how many LPG vehicles have gone up in smoke? One taxi, in which they were following improper procedures for venting the tank. Something which I can easily imagine happening with a gasoline vehicle if some idiot does something stupid while disassembling the tank.

An LPG-driven vehicle, with a properly installed system, is not much more prone to catching fire than a gasoline-powered vehicle. If the fuel tank or fuel line of a gasoline powered-car is ruptured or damaged, the car will catch fire.

If your LPG tank is improperly installed or is not certified for safety... then of course, there is some risk... but if it's done well, it isn't any less safe than a regular gasoline-powered car...

[dencio1976]

i guess i understand a little how carbomb feels when i first posted on this thread. pero a little open mind wouldnt hurt. like you said, opinion mo lang yun. try not to grow on it.

[carbomb]

So, what's your point, then?


An LPG-driven vehicle, with a properly installed system, is not much more prone to catching fire than a gasoline-powered vehicle. If the fuel tank or fuel line of a gasoline powered-car is ruptured or damaged, the car will catch fire.

If your LPG tank is improperly installed or is not certified for safety... then of course, there is some risk... but if it's done well, it isn't any less safe than a regular gasoline-powered car...

so your trying to say that lpg powered car is much safer than the usual gasoline cars? hmmm ni di pa nga nakaka 10 years ata ang lpg system compare sa usual gasoline engine powered cars na almost isang century na.

[chuaed]

Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG)
(A Non-renewable Resource)
History
In 1910, under the direction of Dr. Walter Snelling, the U.S. Bureau of Mines investigated gasoline to see why it evaporated so fast and discovered that the evaporating gases were propane, butane, and other light hydrocarbons. Dr. Snelling built a still that could separate the gasoline into its liquid and gaseous components and sold his propane patent to Frank Phillips, the founder of Phillips Petroleum Company.

By 1912, propane gas was cooking food in the home. The first car powered by propane ran in 1913. By 1915 people were using propane in torches to cut through metal. LPG has been used as a transportation fuel, mainly in heavy trucks and forklift vehicles, around the world for more than 60 years.

http://www.extraordinaryroadtrip.org...um/history.asp

[Gringo]

Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG)
(A Non-renewable Resource)
History
In 1910, under the direction of Dr. Walter Snelling, the U.S. Bureau of Mines investigated gasoline to see why it evaporated so fast and discovered that the evaporating gases were propane, butane, and other light hydrocarbons. Dr. Snelling built a still that could separate the gasoline into its liquid and gaseous components and sold his propane patent to Frank Phillips, the founder of Phillips Petroleum Company.

By 1912, propane gas was cooking food in the home. The first car powered by propane ran in 1913. By 1915 people were using propane in torches to cut through metal. LPG has been used as a transportation fuel, mainly in heavy trucks and forklift vehicles, around the world for more than 60 years.

http://www.extraordinaryroadtrip.org...um/history.asp

I'm planning to have my '96vtec converted to lpg. Anybody here who have converted a honda car to LPG? Can you please give me the negative actaul experiences before I go to naiadss?

[emghee]

I used to drive forklifts before. It is powered by LPG gas. Ok naman performance, hustle lang kasi mabaho yung amoy... Kumakapit sa damit. Sa consumption, ok naman. Matagal din yung duration of use. Kaya siguro it is applied to cars now a day kasi may mga forklift na diesel feeded engines na rin. Lalo na yung mga heavy duty.

[chuaed]

I'm planning to have my '96vtec converted to lpg. Anybody here who have converted a honda car to LPG? Can you please give me the negative actaul experiences before I go to naiadss?

yes, si TOPGUN, iyun honda civic niya pina convert na ng lpg sa naiadss... browse back ka dito sa thread para makita mo picture ng conversion ginawa sa kotse niya.

iyun Chevrolet Optra ko converted din sa naiadss... no problem so far...

[dencio1976]

I'm planning to have my '96vtec converted to lpg. Anybody here who have converted a honda car to LPG? Can you please give me the negative actaul experiences before I go to naiadss?

walang bad experience sa mga taxis namin with LPG kits(carb type). masmabagal lang siya in average samin compared to gasoline-powered pero depende sa pagkatono na gusto mo. you can have it running faster than stock gas powered pero ala na yung tipid.

mukhang maganda nga talaga ang SGI kits for EFIs. no experience pa with an SGI kit pa though.

then masmaeenjoy mo na takbo ng car kasi mas mura ang per liter ng LPG.

[ssalonga]

we can all download pics at the net but you cannot fabricate a genuine police report which we all can verify anytime the authenticity. anyway if those pics are true, your driver was very lucky but you cannot always rely on those lpg tanks because there is no such thing as 100% safe.

Dencio,

thanks for the pix, I believe that is good first hand proof of the safety of our installations. Please keep as many as you can as it may later prove useful.

As for you Mr. Car Bomb, I believe you may have exhausted your welcome in this thread. This thread is for those who want to share their experiences with LPG conversions. Since you are not an LPG user, nor do you seem to be interested in getting a conversion, you are in the wrong thread,

IMHO, it would be better for you to start your own LPG Bashers thread, you and all those who complain of headaches, backaches and dizzines, and who believe that LPG cars are rolling bombs, and are unsafe under any circumstances?

Forgive me, I believe in freedom of expression, but I also believe in good taste and civil behavior, especiallly in a public forum. Just my two cents worth,

cheers,

Steve

[carbomb]

Dencio,

thanks for the pix, I believe that is good first hand proof of the safety of our installations. Please keep as many as you can as it may later prove useful.

As for you Mr. Car Bomb, I believe you may have exhausted your welcome in this thread. This thread is for those who want to share their experiences with LPG conversions. Since you are not an LPG user, nor do you seem to be interested in getting a conversion, you are in the wrong thread,

IMHO, it would be better for you to start your own LPG Bashers thread, you and all those who complain of headaches, backaches and dizzines, and who believe that LPG cars are rolling bombs, and are unsafe under any circumstances?

Forgive me, I believe in freedom of expression, but I also believe in good taste and civil behavior, especiallly in a public forum. Just my two cents worth,

cheers,

Steve

[dencio1976]

just got back from macro pasig. had our sentra gx installed with a fuel injected LPG kit. hindi SGI tawag nila dun e. nakalimutan ko itanong kung ano spelling. or baka mali lang pagkarinig ko.

anyway, to the best of my observation, konti lang ang input nito to their ecu(LPG). bale from the O2 sensor, EFI water temp, rpm signal as usual. d ko pa naitanong kung meron pa. pero talagang walang inputs from air metering w/c is mass air flow ata for the sentra GX and sa TPS. hay! medyo discouraging ng konti. Not a lot of tweaks can be made. wala rin pressure regulation sa rail ng LPG. tapos nagbutas sila ng manifold for their LPG injectors.

anu ano bang LPG companies dito satin ang hindi nagbubutas ng manifold tapos ano ano ang inputs sa ecu nito? ano ba ang best LPG brand kit for a fuel injected engine?

have to go back pa sa macro kasi hindi pa kami nakaalis ng pasig area e pumalya na. medyo ginabi na rin talaga kaya ipapagpabukas na lang.

[paolorenzo]

Tagal ko na di nag-post dito...

Anyway, I asked Denso Makati (Coolmate yata, along Pasong Tamo) about LPG kits. They now install closed loop systems. Here's the reply I got:

We are now installing closed loop LPG system for carburated and EFI cars. Price of complete unit with installation is Php27,000 for an EFI engine. The brand that we use is EROOM. All imported from Korea including the tank.

FYI lang.

[dencio1976]

with the newly installed sgi kit from macro, here are my observations so far.

since it doesnt utilize a tps output or air metering output that would tell it's LPG ecu how much air flow/pressure is fed, at sudden wide throttle, it runs really lean. effect, slow engine response as compared to running it on gasoline.

the ecu needs a lot of rethinking IMO. but it's ok for it's 1st stage i think.

[ghosthunter]

with the newly installed sgi kit from macro, here are my observations so far.

since it doesnt utilize a tps output or air metering output that would tell it's LPG ecu how much air flow/pressure is fed, at sudden wide throttle, it runs really lean. effect, slow engine response as compared to running it on gasoline.

the ecu needs a lot of rethinking IMO. but it's ok for it's 1st stage i think.

I think you'll need to have the LPG kit re-tuned. My kit also performed poorly on it's first day with slow acceleration due to lean fuel settings.

You might also want to check/replace your air filter if it's getting quite dirty.

[ghosthunter]

Tagal ko na di nag-post dito...

Anyway, I asked Denso Makati (Coolmate yata, along Pasong Tamo) about LPG kits. They now install closed loop systems. Here's the reply I got:

FYI lang.

I wonder if the P27,000 closed loop EFI kit is applicable to cars like Mazda3 and Honda City/Jazz.

Can you post the contact info (if you have it).

[chuaed]

Denso Makati (Coolmate yata, along Pasong Tamo) about LPG kits. They now install closed loop systems

yehey pwede na mag upgrade...

contact number and address of their shop?


Mythbuster James Bond Special (blowing up propane tank using his trusty 9mm walther ppk... not)
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[mark_t]

we can all download pics at the net but you cannot fabricate a genuine police report which we all can verify anytime the authenticity. anyway if those pics are true, your driver was very lucky but you cannot always rely on those lpg tanks because there is no such thing as 100% safe.

Ok ka sir carbomb, kailangan talaga me critical thinking.

Ako interesado ako dito sa lpg conversion, malaki na i tutulong nito sa

economy natin. yon savings sa fuel cost dagdag na pera to go around.

Ang kailangan kasi mag labas na ng mga lpg fueled cars mga dealer para me choice ang

mga consumer dito sa pinas.

[ghosthunter]

we can all download pics at the net but you cannot fabricate a genuine police report

Actually, it's pretty easy with fabricate a police report. Just some time with a computer and Photoshop.