Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[hybrid]

I'm interested in converting to LPG.
Here's the scenario,
The vehicle is a L300, I need to overhaul the engine, so I thought maybe it will be a good idea to change the engine to gas the install an LPG kit.
do you guys think it will be cheaper to run LPG instead of diesel?
Diesel 4d56 2.5L
Gas 4G32 1.6L
Another option is Gas 4G63 2.0L but I'm not sure if this will mate with L300.
Ultimate I think that the LPG will still be cheaper even with the 2.0L engine, am I right?
What do you guys think?

[ghosthunter]

I'm interested in converting to LPG.

LPG = P28/L current price.

Here's the scenario,
The vehicle is a L300, I need to overhaul the engine, so I thought maybe it will be a good idea to change the engine to gas the install an LPG kit.
do you guys think it will be cheaper to run LPG instead of diesel?
Diesel 4d56 2.5L
Gas 4G32 1.6L
Another option is Gas 4G63 2.0L but I'm not sure if this will mate with L300.
Ultimate I think that the LPG will still be cheaper even with the 2.0L engine, am I right?
What do you guys think?

Well, I think it would be better to use the 2.0L gasoline engine, especially if you often use the L300 to haul heavier loads. The 1.6L will just end up being overworked and underpowered as well.

You will just have to consider where to place the LPG tank in your L300. Is you L300 being used to haul cargo or people?

[carbomb]

LPG is still 40% cheaper than gasoline. The more often your use your LPG fueled vehicle, the faster you get back your investment.

If you don't believe in the cost savings of using auto-LPG, then its your loss. Think why thousands of taxi cabs are now running LPG.

so kailangan ko pa palang mag aksaya sa pag gamit ng lpg para lang maramdaman kong nakatipid ako? lpg is an alternative solution for the skyrocketing prices of gasolines. but the real question is until when? so sabi mo nga, kailangan ko ngang gamitin more often yung vehicle just to feel that i am saving. pagtitipid ba yun? well, kung marami kang pera, yes nakakatipid ka but if u r just an ordinary worker earning at least enough for your family, that thing you are saying is not saving. para mo ring sinabing para makatipid ka sa pag bili mo ng donut eh kailangang mag dunkin ka na lang at wag nang mag krispy cream kc sa dunkin eh 10 petot lang, sa krispy cream eh 30 petot so para maramdaman mo yung savings mo, bumili ka na lang ng 3 boxes of dunkin kesa bumili ng one box ng krispy cream para makatipid ka kung ang isang tao ay talagang nagtitipid, di na lang cya bibili ng donut kundi ma mamalenke na lang cya at bibili na lang ng pang araw araw na ulam nila sa pang araw araw. so lets go back with the gasoline thing. so if u want to earn and save more fuel, the permanent solution is to save gas more often by allowing yourself to try public trasport everyday and just use your vehicle kapag kasama mo na lang family mo. just my opinion, nothing personal...really

[ghosthunter]

so kailangan ko pa palang mag aksaya sa pag gamit ng lpg para lang maramdaman kong nakatipid ako?

I didn't say drive around the city aimlessly and purposelessly. I said if you use your vehicle more often, you can realize the cost savings faster. So that means if you have two vehicles, simply using the LPG fueled vehicle over the gasoline vehicle will save you a few pesos ever time you fuel up.

lpg is an alternative solution for the skyrocketing prices of gasolines. but the real question is until when?

Until when you ask? Until the next break through in technology that can make a car even more economical to fuel up with whatever substance. Currently, even hybrid cars are NOT the answer (at least for us). It's because the purchase price of the cheapest available car (Prius) will still require eight or more years to recover the cost of the vehicle against savings in operating costs.

A recent car comparison (in another web-forum) where the Toyota Prius was compared to the Ford Focus turbo diesel, the cars fared about the same in terms of fuel costs. This was done in Metro Manila and normal traffic conditions we have during the week day.

so sabi mo nga, kailangan ko ngang gamitin more often yung vehicle just to feel that i am saving. pagtitipid ba yun?

well, here's my point. If you only drive less than 100km in an average week (like 30 to 70 km a week), it would NOT be economically feasible to convert to LPG since the cost recovery would take more than 3 years. My target would be a maximum of two years to make it feasible to convert a private vehicle to run on LPG.

well, kung marami kang pera, yes nakakatipid ka but if u r just an ordinary worker earning at least enough for your family, that thing you are saying is not saving.

If you can save more than P30,000 a year in fuel cost, why not? You don't have to be rich to realize that every peso saved is like a peso earned, right?

para mo ring sinabing para makatipid ka sa pag bili mo ng donut eh kailangang mag dunkin ka na lang at wag nang mag krispy cream kc sa dunkin eh 10 petot lang, sa krispy cream eh 30 petot so para maramdaman mo yung savings mo, bumili ka na lang ng 3 boxes of dunkin kesa bumili ng one box ng krispy cream para makatipid ka

Your donut analogy is faulty. If I have to buy a dozen donuts, then buying from dunkin donuts will only cost me P120 while if I buy from krispy creme it will cost me P360. So buying from dunkin will save me P240 per transaction.

If I had the need for more donuts, then buying more boxes from dunkin would save me even more. I don't need to buy 5 boxes to see the cost saving. Even buying a SINGLE donut would already save me a few pesos.

so lets go back with the gasoline thing. so if u want to earn and save more fuel, the permanent solution is to save gas more often by allowing yourself to try public trasport everyday and just use your vehicle kapag kasama mo na lang family mo. just my opinion, nothing personal...really

For my personal and business requirements, public transportation is not a viable answer. For some people it is but not for me. I am not forcing you to convert your vehicle to LPG. We all are complaining about the high cost of gasoline. But there are alternatives if we would just take that first step towards it even if those alternatives are not the same for you and me.

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[hybrid]

LPG = P28/L current price.

Well, I think it would be better to use the 2.0L gasoline engine, especially if you often use the L300 to haul heavier loads. The 1.6L will just end up being overworked and underpowered as well.

You will just have to consider where to place the LPG tank in your L300. Is you L300 being used to haul cargo or people?

Placement of the tank won't be a problem, it's an aluminum van for cargo, although the usual load is not heavy.
I just have to find a way to fit the the 2L engine.
Another benefit will be no more smoke belching tickets!

[ghosthunter]

Placement of the tank won't be a problem, it's an aluminum van for cargo, although the usual load is not heavy.
I just have to find a way to fit the the 2L engine.

good luck with your project.

Another benefit will be no more smoke belching tickets!

very true but your van will still be stopped for road side testing from time to time.

[hybrid]

Has anybody tried Manila autogas' or ekogas' kits, are they good? how about the installation?
For the simple carb kits, their prices are cheaper 20-21K

[smdelfin]

Meron na ba pong nagpa-convert ng Vanette?
Thanks!

[webmiester]

Has anybody tried Manila autogas' or ekogas' kits, are they good? how about the installation?
For the simple carb kits, their prices are cheaper 20-21K

As I know Manila Autogas uses different kits. The kit providers I talked to who said they were partnered wit Manila Autogas were turkish kit providers Ultragas (Mike Lim: 09228231270) and Clean Autogas (Sharon Siy: 09228540525 / 09178540524), but I heard that they partnered with a lot of other kit providers

The way I see it, having good relationships with many kit providers helps them get recommendations from them. Im using a kit from Clean Autogas, maganda performance niya, I really like the way their metal parts were molded . It's funny nga e, kasi when I had my car refuelled sa Manila Autogas, sabi sa akin ng gas boy that they were partnered daw with my kit supplier, and he was proud to mention it. It did sort of make me feel that their fuel was very compatible with my car. Im sure he's told a lot of other people using other kits that as well.

Ekogas also seems like an interesting company, so sorry I have no feedback on them.

[carbomb]

Until when you ask? Until the next break through in technology that can make a car even more economical to fuel up with whatever substance. Currently, even hybrid cars are NOT the answer (at least for us). It's because the purchase price of the cheapest available car (Prius) will still require eight or more years to recover the cost of the vehicle against savings in operating costs. If you can save more than P30,000 a year in fuel cost, why not? You don't have to be rich to realize that every peso saved is like a peso earned, right?

break through? r u trying to say that it will take more years for the lpg to be the dominant fuel efficiency/savings in our country? i think sooner or later, the prices of gasoline shall be the same as lpg. di mo ba ina anticipate na pwedeng mangyari yun mr. ghosthunter? what if mangyari yun in less than a year? mababawi mo pa ba yung convertion expenses mo? just think of it. my only comment earlier is wala talaga akong kati-katiwala sa mga lpg convertion which means, i alone and that is on my personal opinion only.

[webmiester]

so kailangan ko pa palang mag aksaya sa pag gamit ng lpg para lang maramdaman kong nakatipid ako? lpg is an alternative solution for the skyrocketing prices of gasolines. but the real question is until when? so sabi mo nga, kailangan ko ngang gamitin more often yung vehicle just to feel that i am saving. pagtitipid ba yun? well, kung marami kang pera, yes nakakatipid ka but if u r just an ordinary worker earning at least enough for your family, that thing you are saying is not saving. para mo ring sinabing para makatipid ka sa pag bili mo ng donut eh kailangang mag dunkin ka na lang at wag nang mag krispy cream kc sa dunkin eh 10 petot lang, sa krispy cream eh 30 petot so para maramdaman mo yung savings mo, bumili ka na lang ng 3 boxes of dunkin kesa bumili ng one box ng krispy cream para makatipid ka kung ang isang tao ay talagang nagtitipid, di na lang cya bibili ng donut kundi ma mamalenke na lang cya at bibili na lang ng pang araw araw na ulam nila sa pang araw araw. so lets go back with the gasoline thing. so if u want to earn and save more fuel, the permanent solution is to save gas more often by allowing yourself to try public trasport everyday and just use your vehicle kapag kasama mo na lang family mo. just my opinion, nothing personal...really

Actually yes, you'll feel the savings of purchasing Dunkin Donuts after you've purchased 3 boxes vs 1 box of Krispy Kreme. However, you dont have to buy 3 boxes all at the same time. If you purchase 1 box a week, then you'll feel the savings after 3 weeks.

Unlike donuts though which arent really a life necessity, fuels are often a way of life for many of us. We need to consume a certain fuel to go to where we work,to go home, to go shopping, etc. LPG being a cheaper fuel will allow us to do this at a lower cost.

You've actually been advocating the use of LPG, you just dont know it. By using public transportation, you are actually supporting the use of cheaper fuels, like LPG. Most taxis use LPG while jeepneys and buses use diesel, all of which are cheaper than gasoline. The LRT uses electricity derived from power plants using bunker, or coal fuel or kinetic energy from hydro or geothermal sources (we dont use nuclear yet in the philippines), all of which are also cheaper than gasoline. Cheaper fuels, like LPG, keep our public transportation systems running. And thanks to LPG, you still have taxis to ride on when you decide to use public transport of this kind. Soon, even jeepneys and buses will have LPG or CNG systems inistalled.

Until when will LPG be cheaper than gasoline? Maybe forever. Just like Diesel, whose prices have continually gone up, it still remains to be cheaper than gasoline. LPG's price will also go up, but its price might not ever be like that of gasoline (parang diesel). It has become a socially relevant fuel (like diesel).

There are only 4 things which are sure in life:

Change, Inflation, death, and God's love for you.

Kaya, if the solution you are looking for is one whose price never changes, then you're right about LPG. It isnt the solution you seek. My best wishes and hopes that you do find something like it.

[carbomb]

look people. converting your car to lpg right now plus the continous rising of it's price in the world market is = to savings? i didnt say that i am againsts the use of lpg. what i am trying to say is that i am not in favor to convert my car to lpg. simple as that. why? it is because that i am not into it right now due to still skyrocketing prices of fuels and that includes the lpg. i believe that the convertion will not totally help me because the return of my investment shall take more than a year or even years due to high cost of convertion plus unstable prices of lpg in our market.

[ghosthunter]

break through? r u trying to say that it will take more years for the lpg to be the dominant fuel efficiency/savings in our country?

I am not saying the LPG will overtake gasoline as the fuel of choice for vehicles. I just mean that there will be MORE OPTIONS for motorist to choose from. And the power of choice is often overlooked by people.

i think sooner or later, the prices of gasoline shall be the same as lpg. di mo ba ina anticipate na pwedeng mangyari yun mr. ghosthunter?

I have thought of it long before you have considered it. But I have made an assumption. LPG is a price sensitive commodity which places some restrictions on the industry from raising the price too much. And even if gasoline and LPG prices would be the same one day, then that's the day I would remove the LPG system from my car. But like the price difference of diesel and gasoline, I think there would always be a sizable price gap between gasoline and LPG.

what if mangyari yun in less than a year? mababawi mo pa ba yung convertion expenses mo? just think of it.

Well, since I already converted my car and have recovered my installation costs, I am just happy driving along with the thought that I am saving money on my fuel bills.

Other people who want to stay safe by letting others be the "guinea pig" go on complaining on this and that reasons and when the "investment" does prove itself correct, they go on blaming others why they didn't encourage him to jump into it earlier.

How am I so assured that converting to LPG will save money? Simple, I did a feasibility study on the cost of the LPG conversion, costs of operation and on the past performance of LPG vs gasoline prices. Having that done, I made a simple short term projection of LPG/gasoline price difference vs cost recovery and gave myself a target, if recovery time goes down to 12 months or less, then I would deem it acceptable and go for conversion. It's very similar to doing a project study for any business venture, risk and all.

Of course some people are so "allergic" to taking risks and need to be 101% assured of being a safe decision that they simply end up not doing anything at all but gripe about this and that.

[boydapa]

basta para sa akin nagpaconvert ako para hindi sumakit yun ulo ko kakaisip everytime na pupunta ako sa gas station eh halos mag 45 or 50 na ang gas. im happy that for more than a year hindi ako nagmomonitor kng magkano gas basta gamit lng ng gamit. yun lang no need for me to compute sulit na yun hindi sumakit ulo ko

[ghosthunter]

look people. converting your car to lpg right now plus the continous rising of it's price in the world market is = to savings?

It is NOT the price of LPG but the price difference of LPG vs gasoline that will give you the savings. Even if LPG, diesel and gasoline will double in price tomorrow, using LPG (if it's still cheaper than diesel & gasoline) will still give you savings simply because it is cheaper than the either two other fuels.

Conversion cost is the only major obstacle but consider that against buying a new fuel efficient small car (like the Honda Jazz or even the Kia Picanto).

i didnt say that i am againsts the use of lpg. what i am trying to say is that i am not in favor to convert my car to lpg. simple as that. why? it is because that i am not into it right now due to still skyrocketing prices of fuels and that includes the lpg. i believe that the convertion will not totally help me because the return of my investment shall take more than a year or even years due to high cost of convertion plus unstable prices of lpg in our market.

Like I said, the feasibility of a conversion will depend on how much you use your car in a normal situation. If you do somewhere around 200 kilometers a week, then the return of investment will not take to much time.

Kindly note that you have never provided us with the number of kilometers you normally do in a week or month to prove your point that it will take too long to realize your ROI.

As for the high cost of conversions, it really depends on your car type and model. For older cars, its actually getting cheaper by 10 to 20% since I got my LPG kit installed. Reason? there are more companies who are selling and installing LPG kits today and their prices are cheaper than companies like NAIADSS and MACRO.

[dencio1976]

and just when i thought things have cooled down in this thread

anyway, hopeful pa rin naman ako na baba ang price ng LPG. speculations say that LPG increased price din kasi tag lamig ngayon. heaters i think use LPG. anyway, parang last years inflation lang. went back to 21pesos from 26.70 max. just hoping lang naman. it's up by 2pesos from last year's max hike for LPG. so hopefully, makakaexpect tayo ng baba ng LPG.

pero ayus lang naman kasi nabawi na namin LPG kits conversion namin on our taxi cabs. and, it can still run on gas if ever price of gasoline catches up with LPG.

with however it is, tumataas din ang gas. i see that marami na talagang nagpaconvert to LPG na private as seen sa kargahan ng LPG and those i see converted sa macro pasig.

i just hope na hindi sila(LPG entrepreneurs) magtake advantage over that knowledge.

[ghosthunter]

and just when i thought things have cooled down in this thread.

Yeah, it's beginning to feel like the old "Khaos" thread.

[fastlane]

Just want to share my experience. Napa-convert ko na yung Nissan LEC ko to LPG. Sa NAIADSS ko pina-install sa may Pioneer st., Mandaluyong. Maayos naman kausap yung mga tao don. Nakuha ko pa nga ng installment. P4800 DP at 6 post dated checks worth P3200 (24K lahat in total). Wala naman akong nadamang pagbabago sa performance ng kotse ko. I am beginning to enjoy again using my car kasi hindi na siya masyado masakit sa bulsa.

[hybrid]

As I know Manila Autogas uses different kits. The kit providers I talked to who said they were partnered wit Manila Autogas were turkish kit providers Ultragas (Mike Lim: 09228231270) and Clean Autogas (Sharon Siy: 09228540525 / 09178540524), but I heard that they partnered with a lot of other kit providers

The way I see it, having good relationships with many kit providers helps them get recommendations from them. Im using a kit from Clean Autogas, maganda performance niya, I really like the way their metal parts were molded .

The clean autogas station is that the one in congressionsal ave. do they install kits there? I might be better off going to resellers, since as you've said they can recommend which kit is better.

Just want to share my experience. Napa-convert ko na yung Nissan LEC ko to LPG. Sa NAIADSS ko pina-install sa may Pioneer st., Mandaluyong. Maayos naman kausap yung mga tao don. Nakuha ko pa nga ng installment. P4800 DP at 6 post dated checks worth P3200 (24K lahat in total). Wala naman akong nadamang pagbabago sa performance ng kotse ko. I am beginning to enjoy again using my car kasi hindi na siya masyado masakit sa bulsa.

Fastlane,
do they offer the installment scheme to walk-in clients? or do you know them for them to accept your checks?

[Langabe]

Sir ok ba yun ecogas na company na nag iinstall ng LPG kit?