Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[n5110]

here is the picture where the lpg is leaking. coming out from the bottom part. you can see white particles when examine closely.

[ghosthunter]

Hello guys,
need help. i notice today i have a lpg leak sa engine bay, the leak is coming from the solenoid (tama ba?) the thing with 2 tubings and a grounding wire on the top. after i switch off the engine and open the hood i saw, hear and smell the lpg coming out at the bottom part not from the 2 tube fittings?

upon checking i saw a nut (like a 10mm in size) i tried to call greenfuel but was able to talk to Lorna only. can i just tighten the nut a bit to seal the leak? at the moment im not using my lpg. inputs is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

well, it is still best to have the guys at Greenfuel do the actual inspection and repairs. You never know, even if you tighten the nut, there still might be some leakage from it that you didn't detect.

[Mile2]

Originally Posted by n5110
Hello guys,
need help. i notice today i have a lpg leak sa engine bay, the leak is coming from the solenoid (tama ba?) the thing with 2 tubings and a grounding wire on the top. after i switch off the engine and open the hood i saw, hear and smell the lpg coming out at the bottom part not from the 2 tube fittings?

upon checking i saw a nut (like a 10mm in size) i tried to call greenfuel but was able to talk to Lorna only. can i just tighten the nut a bit to seal the leak? at the moment im not using my lpg. inputs is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Better to pull out the LPG kit main fuse. Without the fuse the tank's multivalve will be normally closed.

Anything you see and feel not normal with your LPG kit just remove the main fuse to be safe.

[MFB]

From what I know, none of the local auto-lpg conversion shops has converted a factory turbocharged engine. It is theoretically the same as a normally aspirated engine but it seems no one has the hands on experience of doing one.

As for hardened valves, actually there is such a thing. If you are running on unleaded gasoline, your engine has hardened valves and valve seats already.

Vogas might have the solution for you with their LPG/gasoline part-time system.

The thread over at subaruforester.org insists the importance of flash lube. There are hardened valves and for the subaru turbo models, you have to get them installed which will definitely increase cost. Also most cars do not have hardened valves that can actually withstand the wear and tear of using LPG. Question now is why is the distributor of Flash Lube not having tie ups with any of the LPG installers?

[MFB]

The problem why nobody wants to do the Forester, MFB, is that the current state of injectors for LPG kits aren't as good as the best gasoline injectors.

Your car might push the limits of the duty cycle of the LPG kit injectors and may require an auxiliary bank of injectors to compensate... something which most shops cannot tune or program.

In this case, the VOGAS system may work for you... they can program the kit so that when your car comes on boost, a percentage of gas is thrown into the mix, to give safer operation.

Otherwise, you can try getting the Greenfuel kit from Speedlab, and see if they can tune around the problem by fiddling with the overboost settings of the LPG kit, reprogramming a larger kit (for 3 liter or V8 engines) to run with your car, or tuning two kits to run in tandem on the car.

I've read that they have made tartarini run on subaru turbo models including what I have, forester 2009 xt. Its just unfortunate that my inquiries and calls have not yet yielded any reply from Ambient. Stargas carries Prinz however even with their advance system, they declined. Prinz is known in Europe not to work with Subarus.

I'll go back to Tartarini (Ambient) and see if they have recieved info on how to do my set up from Italy. Turbo on a 2008 (cant read italian though) http://www.lpghaber.com/html/phpbb2/...opic-9819.html

[XOOMaster]

here is the picture where the lpg is leaking. coming out from the bottom part. you can see white particles when examine closely.

Ask them to tighten the knot on the filter. double check the copper pipe connections as well coz this is where most leaks come from. A simple bycon ring replacement should do the trick. If you still have problems after that feel free to drop by Xoom Timog. I'll be glad to assist you on this problem.
Cheers!

[n5110]

called up greenfuel this morning para i explain kay warren yung problema ko sa lpg. he said it can be loose or some dirt/contaminants sa solenoid. hinde ko na muna gagalawin at mahirap baka lumala ang problema. will be going there on thursday before heading to angeles.

*mile2: thanks sa advice, tanong ko sa greenfuel kung saan ang location ng fuse for future reference.

Ask them to tighten the knot on the filter. double check the copper pipe connections as well coz this is where most leaks come from. A simple bycon ring replacement should do the trick. If you still have problems after that feel free to drop by Xoom Timog. I'll be glad to assist you on this problem.
Cheers!

thanks sa offer sir. try ko muna sa greenfuel since in warranty pa itong kit ko.

[Mile2]

*mile2: thanks sa advice, tanong ko sa greenfuel kung saan ang location ng fuse for future reference.

LPG kit main fuse is located near the battery. You'll see a knife type fuse holder on a single wire connected to your battery positive terminal. The fuse rating is 15 Amp. You'll know that it is the LPG kit fuse when after removal the LPG/Gasoline indicator LED in your dashboard is not functioning.

I usually remove this fuse when I send my Innova to Toyota for PMS, this will make sure that Toyota service crew can't play with my LPG kit.

[Mile2]

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/132788/E...o-LPG-P2/liter

Eastern Petroleum cuts Auto-LPG P2/liter
11/11/2008 | 06:13 PM

MANILA, Philippines - An independent oil firm on Tuesday responded to the substantial rollback by its two giant rivals, and announced its own cutback on the price of automotive liquefied petroleum gas (Auto-LPG).

GMA’s Flash report said that Eastern Petroleum would slash the price of its Autogas by P2, bringing down its price to P24 per liter.

While 11-kilogram cylinders of LPG are used at home, Auto-LPG is used as engine fuel, especially for LPG-run taxis.

Auto-LPG has slowly become the preferred fuel of a number of taxi drivers because it is relatively cheaper compared to other types of engine fuel, the report said.

The Autogas price cut came hours after Pilipinas Shell and Petron Corp announced it would reduce by P6 per kilogram the prices of its LPG products starting Wednesday.

The price adjustment of the Eastern Petroleum, however, would take effect at least six hours earlier than its two giant rivals or beginning 6 p.m.

In a related development, LPG Marketers Association president Arnel Ty said they are currently studying their options to see if they could still implement yet another LPG price cut over the coming weekend.

Since October 31, the LPGMA has already rolled back its LPG prices by a total of P12 per liter in five different instances.

Among the LPG products that the LPGMA sells are Pinnacle Gas, Cat Gas, Omni Gas, Nation Gas and Island Gas. - Mark Merueňas, GMANews.TV

[1997]

How does Flash Lube work? Saan meron nito?

Ako naman I notice sa Engine bay ko yung mga fitting ng aircons, knots and metal parts may mga spot spot na White... Na experience ko eto nung nag pa install ako ng LPG... May leak kaya yun?

[bigMIKE]

Hello BigMike. I'm told that you have an APV converted. Can you upload pics in your Greenfuel website?

I was planning to use LPG for my subaru forester turbo. I inquired at ambient and have yet to get a reply up to now. Stargas declined already as their system will not work on my vehicle. Subaru UK does not recommend fitting it on the forester turbo 09 but fits n/a versions. Ano kaya reason? May mga makukulit sa Australia, ok naman daw. But bottom line is, they used flash lube on thier engines to lubricate and prevent premature wear.

Bakit wala nag install ng flash lube locally? My local distributor but have yet to see them tie up with the lpg installers. No such this as hardened valves di ba. Mag wear and tear yan with LPG use faster than using gasoline.

We have done a couple of Subaru Forester with no problems. Our system does automatically shift to gasoline on preset intervals.

[ghosthunter]

We have done a couple of Subaru Forester with no problems. Our system does automatically shift to gasoline on preset intervals.

Curiously, were those units the 2.0L normally aspirated or the 2.5L turbo models?

[bigMIKE]

Hello BigMike. I'm told that you have an APV converted. Can you upload pics in your Greenfuel website?

Noted will try to find a photo and post it. We actually done several units of the suzuki APV already....

[glennjv]

Price Update as of Nov 11, 2008 10am
Total Alabang - 27.22pesos/L
Naiadss Pioneer - 26.90pesos/L
Seaoil C5/Shaw - 24pesos/L

[Mile2]

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/132961/L...as-by-P2/liter

LPGMA to roll back LPG prices by P4/kg, autogas by P2/liter
11/12/2008 | 11:18 AM
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MANILA, Philippines – The Liquefied Petroleum Gas Marketers Association (LPGMA) on Wednesday announced it will roll back its liquefied petroleum gas prices by P4 per kilogram on Thursday, bringing down the price of an 11-kg LPG cylinder by P44.

The LPGMA will also reduce its automotive-LPG or auto-gas prices by P2 per liter.

All price rollbacks will take effect 12:01 a.m. Thursday, the group said.

Radio dzBB’s Mao dela Cruz quoted LPGMA president Arnel Ty as saying that the price cuts were prompted by the substantial rollbacks from three oil firms implemented 12:01 Wednesday.

Earlier in the day, Pilipinas Shell and Petron Corp. reduced by P6 per kilogram the prices of its LPG products while Eastern Petroleum slashed the price of its Autogas by P2, bringing down its price to P24 per liter.

LPGMA’s freshest round of rollback came after Energy Secretary Angelo Reyes expressed dissatisfaction over the P1 per kilogram rollback it implemented last Tuesday.

Last week, Reyes also urged the LPG firms to further reduce their LPG prices by at least P15-P17 per kilogram since pump prices in the world market have significantly dropped by 39 percent.

As of Wedensday, the LPGMA has reduced its LPG prices by P5 per kilogram. - Sophia Dedace, GMANews.TV

[filchaser]

hi filchaser, i also have a Toyota crown converted with lpg by vogas (econogas) my fc is only 5.5. m/t 2.0l. how about yours?

split system ko. 100% fuel 0 to 1000 rpm
1000 up to 3000rpm am using 100% lpg
3000 to 6000rpm am using 50% lpg and 50% fuel

Hello Samsung,

Our crown is the 1993 Model 2.0L MT with around 200K Km already. FC with gas before was 4.5 - 5km / liter. With LPG, FC is around 4 - 4.5. System is using 100% LPG with Unleaded used as startup (then autoswitch to LPG). How do you use a split system?

[ghosthunter]

How do you use a split system?

It is a different "product" from the typical SGI-LPG system as it can use 100% lpg in lower rpms and a mix of LPG/petrol at higher RPMs.

[niky]

It is a different "product" from the typical SGI-LPG system as it can use 100% lpg in lower rpms and a mix of LPG/petrol at higher RPMs.

Completely programmable, actually, for whatever combination of LPG/gasoline mix you want.

[n5110]

as advice by warren of greenfuel i can remove the nut and check the filter and clean it. ito ang nakita ko, punit yung o-ring and my filter is very dirty, lahat ng mga black flakes na nasa papel galing yan sa filter ng lpg ko. i try to get a new o-ring and blow off the dirt sa filter and assemble the thing back. so far no leaks. will monitor kung magkakaron ulit.

natakot lang ako nung niluluwagan ko yung nut (actually bolt pala ito) biglang sumingaw ng malakas yung lpg ko. yun pala yung natitirang lpg sa line.

[samsung]

Hello Samsung,

Our crown is the 1993 Model 2.0L MT with around 200K Km already. FC with gas before was 4.5 - 5km / liter. With LPG, FC is around 4 - 4.5. System is using 100% LPG with Unleaded used as startup (then autoswitch to LPG). How do you use a split system?

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