Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[Mile2]

Visited EkoGas and Green AutoGas this afternoon, they don't have donut tank.

Sharon's place looks very busy, lots of cars and AUV's being converted. Very accommodating din si Sharon, and she even toured me sa shop as she explains every details of conversion from tanks to valves to fittings

Can't wait to see BigMIKE's GreenFuel next week.

[ghosthunter]

Visited EkoGas and Green AutoGas this afternoon, they don't have donut tank.

Sharon's place looks very busy, lots of cars and AUV's being converted. Very accommodating din si Sharon, and she even toured me sa shop as she explains every details of conversion from tanks to valves to fittings

Can't wait to see BigMIKE's GreenFuel next week.

GREENFUEL is also buzzing with activity.

[paolorenzo]

Mike Tagle of Denso also joined us during out Revo Club EB this afternoon. Kuwento rin niya, the next opening sa installation schedule is mid-July na. Looks like tiba-tiba ang mga installers ngayon. Buti nauna na tayo.

[ezem]

Mike Tagle of Denso also joined us during out Revo Club EB this afternoon. Kuwento rin niya, the next opening sa installation schedule is mid-July na. Looks like tiba-tiba ang mga installers ngayon. Buti nauna na tayo.

ei pao, where does Revo Club's EB took place? is it at Eastwood? mitsulancerph's anniversary?..because Mistubishi Adventure Club is there too at Eastwood...

[paolorenzo]

The Fort. Kasabay namin clubzz at mymitsu yata? Feeling ko kahapon lahat ng Lancer ng Metro Manila nasa The Fort.

Para hindi OT, Mike mentioned that they've already found a solution for the CEL problem of Mitsubishi (when fitted with EROOM). Ibabalik mo ba yung Adventure mo for this?

[bigMIKE]

Visited EkoGas and Green AutoGas this afternoon, they don't have donut tank
Can't wait to see BigMIKE's GreenFuel next week.

Hope to see you soon. We do have limited quantity of donut tanks at the moment Our next batch is coming next month and we will have a bigger capacity (75L) donut tanks for the big cars.

[Mile2]

Hi bigMike,

Can those donut tank fitted underneath preinstalled with undercoat paint rather than plastic wraps? Like those of gasoline tanks that are coated with undercoat/weather sealant paints.

I feel uncomfortable by the looks of plastic wraps. hehehe I did it with my registration plates and moisture creeps in and rust forms at the back.

[bigMIKE]

Yes you could actually take the plastic cover off and paint over the tank for extra rust protection however the tanks are already rust proofed so this would only be an additional expense

[ezem]

The Fort. Kasabay namin clubzz at mymitsu yata? Feeling ko kahapon lahat ng Lancer ng Metro Manila nasa The Fort.

Para hindi OT, Mike mentioned that they've already found a solution for the CEL problem of Mitsubishi (when fitted with EROOM). Ibabalik mo ba yung Adventure mo for this?

ay oo mali pala di pala Eastwood, the Fort pala kasi hehehe nagkamali hehehe

Para di din OT: yup ibabalik ko though tawagan ko muna si mike. pero napansin ko pag umuulan at malamig, di umiilaw yung CEL, pero pag tirik ang araw at mainit, mabilis umilaw...maybe it has something to do with the temperature...

[noc_manila]

1.Question po sa mga naka LPG na. for example the tank capacity is 36 liters pero dapat daw mga 28-29 liters lang daw po ang capacity na pwede ilagay kase nag expand daw ang LPG totoo ba ito .

2. Pano po ba mag full tank kung LPG na kung capacity is 36 liters , do dapat po ba pag nag pa full tank eh sabihin natin 28 liters lang hindi po ba ito tulad ng sa gasoline na nag automatic pag full tank na.

3.Accurate po ba ang Gas meter na nasa driver gauge ung may ilaw na kinakabit nila .

[Mile2]

Do give you an idea, I have seen a new tank without the valves, the input valve has a floater inside when fitted to the tank and this serves as the sensor for the input valve to automatically shut off. The floater inside the tank is set that it would only take around 80% fill.

[ghosthunter]

1.Question po sa mga naka LPG na. for example the tank capacity is 36 liters pero dapat daw mga 28-29 liters lang daw po ang capacity na pwede ilagay kase nag expand daw ang LPG totoo ba ito .

LPG itself is a compressed gas... so it would need some space to expand due to temperature changes.

2. Pano po ba mag full tank kung LPG na kung capacity is 36 liters , do dapat po ba pag nag pa full tank eh sabihin natin 28 liters lang hindi po ba ito tulad ng sa gasoline na nag automatic pag full tank na.

typical is 85% of the tanks rated full capacity. If it's 36L tank, it will be "full" at 30L. Of course this doesn't assume the existing LPG inside the tank when you are refilling.

3.Accurate po ba ang Gas meter na nasa driver gauge ung may ilaw na kinakabit nila .

The 4 light LPG fuel gauge is accurate enough... but it tends to get a little iffy when the fuel level is around 1/4... Reason is the fuel tank contents tends to slosh around more.

[china_boi]

checked my plugs nung sat.. didnt see any carbon..

[radical1962]

With gas pump prices touching the Php60/liter, I am really seriously thinking of having my CRV 2nd Gen 2002 converted. I have already canvassed and have my choices down to either Greenfuel, Xoom or Green Autogas.

I have talked to most of them and there are still questions that I need clarified with you CRV-converted users out there:
1. Do you have choking issues during initial acceleration? According to one installer, I might experience this since there is no heater outlet to the CRV and they will just get from the radiator hose and sometimes it might not be circulating the hot water during idle to cause a small hiccup during standing start acceleration.
2. Is it ok to mount the injectors below the plastic cowl? According to one installer, they will install it under the "i-Vtec" cowl for aesthetics but another installer warns against this since it might overheat the injectors. So who's right?
3. Does the CRV have plastic or metal intake manifolds? One says it's plastic and another say it's metal.

Please comment on any other issues that may have been encountered with these installers: Greenfuel, Green Autogas and Xoom.

Thank you and God bless!

[paolorenzo]

For my peace of mind, I purchased an LPG alarm (12V), since the LPG Tank was installed inside the Revo (rear cabin). Again, it's primarily just for peace of mind. I need additional assurance, since it's the family car. My 2 sons are weekend passengers (5 years old, and 9 months old).



Click here for official product site.

I bought it from eBay, from the Seller's store. Cost me about $67, inclusive of shipping w/in the US. Had a friend bring it home.

I hope to install it this weekend. Balitaan ko kayo if anything unusual happens (I expect it to remain completely silent).

[filchaser]

Hello Radical1962,

I had my Ford Lynx installed at Greenautogas (Sharon) last May 2008. They've done a pretty good job. I am very satisfied. Just sharing my experience.

Overall, you will not regret converting your car. The difference with running cost of Gasoline and LPG is amazing. I am scheduling the conversion of my other cars (Toyota Crown, Toyota Corolla). Will update you guys with the results soon! Cheers tsikoteers!

[ezem]

* Radical1962

sir, i dunno about 2nd gen crv since my ride is not a crv. though ang maiko comment ko lang, all the CRV owners that have their ride converted (if you'll try to backread) are pretty much satisfied with it.

re: greenfuel, green autogas, xoom

many already posted their rides here having converted at greenfuel and/ or green autogas, and they are very satisfied with the result, as a matter of fact, GH's recommendation is greenfuel, ok din sa green autogas (dito ako nagpapakarga lagi kasi mas mura compared sa petron saka macro ng mga P1.50 and ang dami nila gawa ngayon, kanina may 3rd gen crv pa ako nakita dun)...don't know about the xoom though...

sana nakatulong...

[ezem]

* Radical1962

sir, i dunno about 2nd gen crv since my ride is not a crv. though ang maiko comment ko lang, all the CRV owners that have their ride converted (if you'll try to backread) are pretty much satisfied with it.

re: greenfuel, green autogas, xoom

many already posted their rides here having converted at greenfuel and/ or green autogas, and they are very satisfied with the result, as a matter of fact, GH's recommendation is greenfuel, ok din sa green autogas (dito ako nagpapakarga lagi kasi mas mura compared sa petron saka macro ng mga P1.50 and ang dami nila gawa ngayon, kanina may 3rd gen crv pa ako nakita dun)...don't know about the xoom though...

sana nakatulong...

[nea]

not a bad idea. . .or a capsule drug design for cylindrical tanks. . .

How about an LPG Tank designed as ROOF RACK? Much safer? Just an idea.

[toho]

[SIZE=1][SIZE=2]I'm not sure if this has been posted here before, anyway if not, I just thought I'd share this old news article of Sun Star from Cebu which I saw earlier while browsing.

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[SIZE=2]IN THE absence of a certifying body to asses the competency of technicians who install and convert vehicles to run with liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), various stakeholders in Cebu convened to standardize the processes and regulations on auto LPG conversion.

The move, participated in by public transport groups and businessmen servicing the transport industry, is also in response to the transport sector’s need to improve the quality of automotive technicians since most of them only received informal training, said Jonathan Gesalem, proprietor of Econogas.

The Technical Education and Skills Development Authority (Tesda) 7, Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) and the Department of the Energy (DOE), as well as non-government organization Ecos Environmental Foundation, supported the program.

“This is also an effort to address the common misconceptions and safety concerns on the use of auto LPG (liquefied petroleum gas),” Gesalem said.

Gesalem told reporters that at present, people still consider the use of auto LPG as a health hazard, even though the product has already been in existence for 40 years in the country. He added that auto LPG is also used to run vehicles in more than 40 countries worldwide.

The use of auto LPG is also in compliance with the Clean Air Act, said Tereso Macapaz of DOE 7.

Gesalem said he believes that as prices of conventional fuel continue to rise, more vehicle owners will switch to LPG.

He said there is now a P20-price difference between auto LPG and regular gasoline.

Gesalem said coming up with a standard competency assessment instrument is also in compliance with DTI and DOE requirements.

For a conversion shop to be certified by DTI, it is required to have a technician who is certified on auto LPG conversion and installation.

But since there was no framework that existed on the certification of technicians, backyard auto shops that offer auto LPG conversion services find it hard to comply with such requirements.

Jesus Uy, an expert from DTI 7, admitted that at present the conversion shops in Cebu are “trying to cope” with the DTI requirements.

He added that one of the road blocks in certifying a conversion shop is the need to come up with a quality manual that should be according to the norms of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO).

The training regulations and competency tools can now be applied and the lead assessors chosen by Tesda can already start certifying the shops and the technicians, said Director Rosanna Urdaneta.

There are already 10 lead assessors in Cebu identified by Tesda.

The workshop conducted yesterday was to validate the competency assessment standard instruments that will be used in certifying the technicians, as well as the training regulations to be implemented.

A technician who undergoes training on auto LPG conversion will also have to pass a written and practical competency exam before the technician gets certification.

Uy said the latest development will discourage “fly-by-night shops.”

“I’m proud of this one and everybody should be,” Urdaneta said, adding that the program is the first of its kind in the region.

“This is a product of a consultative and participatory meeting of the industry, the government and the workers themselves,” she said.

Tesda 7, together with the Cebu transport sector, will also endorse the outputs of the workshop to the national level so that it becomes a national standard.

Florante Inoturan of Tesda Central Office in Manila said he will present the training regulations and certification exams to his supervisor. He added that he will also propose for the Tesda board to approve the industry tools so that these can be used to standardize auto LPG conversion in the country.

“The Cebu stakeholders should also take credit for this once this will be validated at the national level,” he said.

Once the Tesda board approves the materials, funding can also be appropriated for the project. Taxi operators and conversion shop owners, like Gesalem, have contributed funds for the program and the workshops.

Ramon Ventura Jr. of Ecos Environment Foundation said that with the training regulations in place, it would be easier for taxi operators and transport groups to access financial aid from government banks to fund the costs of LPG conversion.

Usually, banks will require documentation that shows training on auto LPG to approve a loan.

At present, auto LPG conversion kits are only available for vehicles using gasoline but Macapaz confirms that a program for diesel users is also being studied by DOE. Macapaz, however, did not give more information as the details on the diesel program is still with DOE Central Office. (DME)
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