Toyota Innova 'J' or Isuzu Crosswind 'XT'

[rodski]

The new generation CRDI engines uses higher fuel pressures that no clogging would occur in the nozzles. Compare to the first generation CRDI, the fuel pressure is about 3 times higher. So clogging nozzles is not a problem.

Unfortunately, the D-4D does not have the maintenance free particulate filter na standard equipment sa european diesels. With an EGR system soot will accumulate sa intake manifold. Plus a PCV that doesn't have an oil separator, vaporized oil could enter the intake manifold.

This could be the reason why the power of the D-4D engine might have been toned down to 102ps. This would lower the tendency to have vaporized oil going into the manifold. Less HP less Blow by gasses entering the crankcase then less chances of vaporizing the oil to go out with the PCV.

Nevertheless, the D-4D has a lot of potential in further increasing HP by adding an intercooler.

INNOVA for me.

Rodski

[strayWOLF]

Thank you for all your opinions... mostly Innova pala prefer nyo. =) Ganda kc ng Innova. hehe
Sbi ng Isuzu, the free powerwindow, powerlock, cd tuner etc is until end of March lang pala.
Have you guys tried the Innova already? I'm still not sure which auto to get. The Innova is relatively new and isn't it a bit lowered? Parang feel ko ndi kaya pag baha. =) Thank's again...

[revoGSX]

ako biased.. naka revo kasi ako and toyota lahat ng naging cars namin hehe...

i'd go for the INNOVA ..

for me, dalawa lang lamang ng crosswind, SUV look and fuel efficient ang diesel nya..

sa innova, coil spring lahat ng suspension kaya better ang riding comfort nya, yung flex ride ng crosswind eh matagtag pa rin yun compared sa coil spring ng innova..

i don't think na magiging problem ang parts ng INNOVA, the D4D diesel is the same with 2.5 hilux and 2.5 hiace kaya meron common parts .. sa iba pang parts, wala ako malaala na mahirap maghanap ng parts sa mga previous toyota vehicles..

tahimik ang diesel ng INNOVA.. so mas relax ang driver at mga passengers lalo na sa long drive..

regarding sa quality ng diesel fuel, bumili sa mga sikat na gas station, huwag sa mga new players na ngayon mo lang narinig..

and, lahat ng freebies ng isuzu eh pede mo naman mabili in the future pag meron ka na budget.. once you buy the crosswind, wala ng solian hehe ...

go get the INNOVA hehe

[epic]

On the other hand D4D works like a gasoline engine, super tahimik at matulin unlike the engine sa CROSSWIND na malakas ang hatak pero mahina ang arangkada.

I agree na malakas ang hatak ng innova d-4d but the noise is just normal as other diesel engine especially if you are in quiet place... lalo na pag open aang hood....

BR,
epic ;)

[epic]

Sabi ng casa, Innova can withstand 24" of flood water, cause the location of air intake ng air filter plus the ECD or CRD engine computer ata ay located in a higher position inside the van so hindi ito madali mabasa.... yan ang sabi saking lang

BR,
epic ;)

[marv0083]

straywolf no brainer na yan innova j ! D-4d is common rail direct injection against ahh direct injection

I've tried to sit in the innova and tried to ride it its not vibrating compared to a crosswind

ako sensitive ako pag sumakay ako sa diesel nahihilo ako

dati yung crosswind xuv sumakay ako naka idle nahilo ako

sa innova sumakay ako ng idle hindi ako nahihilo kasi not vibrating ang kotse

miske i rev mo pa up to 3k rpm hindi nag vivibrate ang kotse and tahimik sa loob.......

mag innova ka na at tingin ko resale will be higher compared to a crosswind

[notEworthy27]

I'd choose the innova over the Crosswind..
OT: mivec na pala ang Grandis.

[odell]

sa innova din ako.. toyota eh

[BlueBimmer]

innova na! tsikoteers have spoken (mostly) hehe

[OTEP]

Innova na din for me if I had to chose between the two.

Otherwise, I'd just buy something used.

[eggman]

Pang taxi lang yung Crosswind XT(gandang taxi naman nyan).Pero i recommend the Innova J!.Ok siya kahit mukhang pang jeepney yung seats.

[bongliza]

bros, I tried comparing the 3 variants, I noticed na konti lang ang pagkakaiba ng variant J and E. like power features sa doors, mags, headrest, upholstery, speakers. Nothing really big difference. Pero ba't kaya ang layo ng agwat ng price nila, P100K ba yun?. I guess if you buy J variant and upgrade it to E, baka di pa aabot ng 50K. Just my layman's observation. What do you thnk guys?

[wilcats]

Innova na. You get a a state of the art diesel engine, comfy ride, new looks. may Xwind kme, dko enjoy un uncomfy, plus un nga mausok n sobra maingay un engine Mganda lng sa xwind matipid. INNOVA Kna

[cardo]

innova crd-i na di ba?

[ILuvDetailing]

Yup its a 2.5li D4-D CRD-i, same engine as the Hilux 4 x 2.

[BlueBimmer]

cguro naman tanggal na sa list mo xwind kng based sa mga advice ng tsikoteers hehe

[cardo]

INNOVA na lang!

[bongliza]

yup! Innovaaa...

[kelvin]

strayWOLF,

I bought an XUV AT last year for the following personal reasons:
-reputable engine
-high height clearance (pang baha)
-can carry 10 people (pang pamilya)
-can carry a lot of load (pang business)
-good looks (pwede pang porma)
-diesel because in theory I would save on fuel costs

Later on I found out this is not the case. Someone in the revo yahoo groups did a fuel computation analysis. It turned out that you will realize the fuel cost savings of the crosswind as against the revo gas only after 3 years or after 100,000 km. This is because the XUV was P75,000 more expensive than the revo gas at that time. Three years is a long time to wait to save on fuel costs.

After I began to use the XUV daily, here are my personal observations:
-matagtag (used 32 or 35 psi, probably my mistake)
-maingay makina (tolerable, but I envy the revo gas, tahimik talaga ng nasakay ako sa kotse ng kaibigan ko, parang ang gaan ng pakiramdam)
-maagang kinalawang (just see "Rust.." thread)
-poor interior build quality (just see "Rust.." thread)
-poor fit and finish (just see "Rust.." thread)
-warranty is only 50k km or 2 years, Toyota gives 100k km or 3 years

-after almost a month, di pa rin tapos ang pagrepair ng isuzu sa kotse ko. Gamit ko pa rin yung isuzu trooper service unit (2000 model) na pinahiram nila. Itong service unit, nasira yung aircon at ibabalik ko pa ulit sa kanila.

This is just me, kasi yung ibang crosswind owners, wala naman problema at very satisfied sila at highly recommended nila ang crosswind. As you can see, malas ata talaga ako sa isuzu cars, kahit ba naman sa service unit man lang, hehehe. Haaay buhay! ;)

I'm just a new driver and new car owner. For people like me that don't know much about cars, the following items will be the most noticeable:

-ride comfort
-hatak ng makina
-ingay ng makina
-lakas ng aircon
-car vibration
-interior quality
-outside design of car
-warranty
-after sales support
-parts/add-on items availability

I suggest you test drive both and compare the build quality of the Innova and Crosswind. Based on personal experience, I won't recommend the crosswind to you. I haven't rode an Innova yet so I can't comment on it. Based on feedback from the other tsikoteers, the Innova seems to be quite promising. Just remember, there's a reason why Toyota is number one. And it shows on the quality of their vehicles.

[TaNgENgot]

oo nga ganyan din sa pinsan ko ..sabay kami bili ng Revo 2002 ..both GL models pero diesel sa kanya at gas sa akin ..iyon natitipid niya sa pag consume ng diesel compare sa gas ..nauuwi naman sa montlhy service ng pa oil change niya ..at mausok pa at maingay ...sorry nasa huli na pag sisi..d na niya pwede isoli..cash pa naman ..hehehe