Toyota Hilux 4x4 vs. Mitsubishi Strada 4x4

[hinDMaxsiado]

Tsip, uulitin ko lang ha iba ang results or yung trend ng graph between an engine dyno at chassi dyno.

Lalo na kapag automatic transmission pa ang sasakyan. Kung familiar kayo sa tinatawag na "torque converter" magkaka-idea na dapat kayo kung bakit iba ang trend ng engine dyno at chassi dyno. Kapag may "torque converter" between the engine and tranny, most of the torque at low rpm ay dumudulas lang at nacoconvert into heat.

Tsip hindi magpupublish ang mga manufacturer ng information na hindi tama lalo na kung ang mga info na yun ay verifiable. Kung gusto ninyo makita ang published torque curve ng 4D56-VGT na engine ng Strada, punta kayo sa Thailand site ng Mitsu.

Chief, mag-aral ka nalang ng "B.S. in Excuses Engineering" (gusto mo with matching Masters pa in "Publicity Engineering" ) by all means for the love of your "overrated" Mitsu Strada GTV ahihi ahoho

[arsen]

Chief, mag-aral ka nalang ng "B.S. in Excuses Engineering" (gusto mo with matching Masters pa in "Publicity Engineering" ) by all means for the love of your "overrated" Mitsu Strada GTV ahihi ahoho

Ayan mas maigi tsip na katulad ng ganyan na lang ang mga post ninyo compared sa magcomment regarding sa mga technical na bagay at mga technical information na hindi nyo naman pala kayang intindihin or tanggapin ang paliwanag kung bakit ganoon. hahaha

Medyo Engot na ako tsip hindi ko na kailangan sayangin ang oras sa pag-aaral ng mga kaengutan pa. Mas marami ang matutunan sa trabaho wag ka lang magkamali ng maling-mali kung ayaw mo masibak.

Hindi ko lang pinagdadamot ang aking nalalaman. Ayaw din kita na pagtawanan....hahaha... (ng mga dayuhan) kasi isa ka rin pinoy.

Balik tayo sa technology basics ha.
Kung walang biglang taas at baba or yung tinatawag na spike within the power band ay something to be proud of yan tsip sa power train fitted with automatic transmission. It shows lang kung gaano ka ganda ang power control at management sa engine side pa lang. It shows din how flexible is the engine. Kasi kung walang available na technology na malayang gamitin ng isang designer his only option is to use a relatively high gear ratio sa first gear para huwag ma overload/overheat ang torque converter.

Having a product with various power and management control and setting ay isang technical showing kung gaano kalaki ang portfolio ng isang company in terms of power management and control technology kasi hindi lahat ng manufacturer ay may freedom to operate (FTO) using the same control means and logic. Hindi ko dito sinasabi na kanila lahat imbento ha. Pwede rin yan na acquired/shared technology lang bunga ng mga alliance with others.

Ayan lumayo na... kung sakaling nalito ka na sa mga sinabi ko eto na lang tsip.

Research more para unti-unti nyo na maintindihan at para mas makakapili kayo ng kapakipakinabang na torque curve ayun sa kung ano meron ang sasakyan at kung saan gagamitin. Hinde porque malakas okay na ha...

[hinDMaxsiado]

Ayan mas maigi tsip na katulad ng ganyan na lang ang mga post ninyo compared sa magcomment regarding sa mga technical na bagay at mga technical information na hindi nyo naman pala kayang intindihin or tanggapin ang paliwanag kung bakit ganoon. hahaha

Medyo Engot na ako tsip hindi ko na kailangan sayangin ang oras sa pag-aaral ng mga kaengutan pa. Mas marami ang matutunan sa trabaho wag ka lang magkamali ng maling-mali kung ayaw mo masibak.

Hindi ko lang pinagdadamot ang aking nalalaman. Ayaw din kita na pagtawanan....hahaha... (ng mga dayuhan) kasi isa ka rin pinoy.

Balik tayo sa technology basics ha.
Kung walang biglang taas at baba or yung tinatawag na spike within the power band ay something to be proud of yan tsip sa power train fitted with automatic transmission. It shows lang kung gaano ka ganda ang power control at management sa engine side pa lang. It shows din how flexible is the engine. Kasi kung walang available na technology na malayang gamitin ng isang designer his only option is to use a relatively high gear ratio sa first gear para huwag ma overload/overheat ang torque converter.

Having a product with various power and management control and setting ay isang technical showing kung gaano kalaki ang portfolio ng isang company in terms of power management and control technology kasi hindi lahat ng manufacturer ay may freedom to operate (FTO) using the same control means and logic. Hindi ko dito sinasabi na kanila lahat imbento ha. Pwede rin yan na acquired/shared technology lang bunga ng mga alliance with others.

Ayan lumayo na... kung sakaling nalito ka na sa mga sinabi ko eto na lang tsip.

Research more para unti-unti nyo na maintindihan at para mas makakapili kayo ng kapakipakinabang na torque curve ayun sa kung ano meron ang sasakyan at kung saan gagamitin. Hinde porque malakas okay na ha...

All-hail the engineering excuses of supreme master mechanic Arsen
....and his GENEROUS explanation of one-point peak torque at whopping 3500 rpm engine radial speed on his beloved Strada GTV hahahaha!

[arsen]

Narrow naman pala peak torque ng Strada GTV chief, it is NOT broad ---- nagtaka nga mga nag-test nito claim ng Mitsubishi at 2000 rpm daw 350 Nm na samantala ang peak lang niya is at a high 3500 rpm.... ang ingay na ng makina nito haha!!!!





A typical powerband from a diesel pickup should be broad when one intends to use it for hauling, towing and going up a hill, especially hills that are technical/ slippery and where traction and torque at low-end rpm takes precedence over sheer horspower....
....Quite of an example apart from the 3-litre Hilux's torque curve where it peaks up at 1400 rpm at 343 Nm and broadly delivers it all the way to 3200 rpm, is that of the 3-litre iTEQ VGS engine of the Isuzu DMax sold in Europe, Australia and Thailand (wala pa itong makina sa atin sa Pinas chief)







Pag ganyan ang powerband ng isang pickup where the torque's "sweet spot" is broad-or-wide, mas matipid yan sa consumo ng diesel kaysa sa higher-revving diesel engine dahil at low-rev range palang chief andiyan na ang ideal torque that you need to haul, tow, pull and go up that hill....

Just my 2 centavos chief.

All-hail the engineering excuses of supreme master mechanic Arsen
....and his GENEROUS explanation of one-point peak torque at whopping 3500 rpm engine radial speed on his beloved Strada GTV hahahaha!

Here is from isuzu dmax brochure


3.0-LITRE COMMON-RAIL DIESEL ENGINE
(4JJ1-TC-HI-POWER)
If you’re after raw power with good fuel efficiency, Isuzu’s 3.0 litre advanced common-rail technology with intercooled VGS turbo charger delivers an impressive 163 horsepower and 360 Nm of torque anywhere from 1800 to 2800 rpm for manual transmission, and [SIZE="4"]333 Nm at 1600 to 3200 rpm for automatic transmission.[/SIZE]


Para sa 360Nm torque na pang manual tranny lang ang pinakitang performance curve...
Bakit kaya.... hmmmmm hindi ba ganun kaganda ang performance curve ng automatic transmission version ng Isuzu? Kung kaya they are are not proud to show the performance curve of their automatic version?

Or tinatago mo lang tsip kasi di mo maintindihan kung bakit magkaiba ang performance curve ng manual at automatic version ng DMAX..... hahaha

[arsen]

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[arsen]

All-hail the engineering excuses of supreme master mechanic Arsen
....and his GENEROUS explanation of one-point peak torque at whopping 3500 rpm engine radial speed on his beloved Strada GTV hahahaha!

Tsip eto deretso sagot... maling-mali ang e compare mo ang performance curve ng automatic tranny Strada sa performance curve ng manual tranny na DMAX... okay ka lang? hahaha

[hinDMaxsiado]

Here is from isuzu dmax brochure


3.0-LITRE COMMON-RAIL DIESEL ENGINE
(4JJ1-TC-HI-POWER)
If you’re after raw power with good fuel efficiency, Isuzu’s 3.0 litre advanced common-rail technology with intercooled VGS turbo charger delivers an impressive 163 horsepower and 360 Nm of torque anywhere from 1800 to 2800 rpm for manual transmission, and [SIZE=4]333 Nm at 1600 to 3200 rpm for automatic transmission.[/SIZE]


Para sa 360Nm torque na pang manual tranny lang ang pinakitang performance curve...
Bakit kaya.... hmmmmm hindi ba ganun kaganda ang performance curve ng automatic transmission version ng Isuzu? Kung kaya they are are not proud to show the performance curve of their automatic version?

Or tinatago mo lang tsip kasi di mo maintindihan kung bakit walang flat (sintunado?) sa automatic version ng DMAX..... hahaha

WOW thanks chief supreme mechanic Arsen for posting it ---- that's wide pala from low rev of 1600 rpm to 3200 rpm and 333 Nm torque is maintained all-throughout for an auto-tranny ng DMax-siado ahihi
....although mas wide at mas maganda pa rin ang Hilux from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm at 343 Nm WOW!!!!

KUMPARA NATIN itong dalawa sa pinaka mamahal mong publicity-hungry and overrated Strada so-called mechanical GTV ahihi ahoho.... Your engineered excuses show that....
....250 Nm lang at 1800 rpm at saka lang magiging 350 Nm at 3500 rpm (naku poh ang ingay na ng makina at lakas ng lamon sa crudo nito ahihi!!!!) pagkatapos ng 3500 rpm baba na kaagad ang torque, lambot na kagad ti-ti mo, hindi mo na ma-maintain ang sarap ahihi ahoho ayayay!

[angbatangobong]

sir hinDMaxsiado,

Can you please post a performance curve of a 4JJ1-TC-HI-POWER with an automatic transmission?
I just want to know how inferior the 4d56 VGT with an automatic transmission is compared to that.

[arsen]

WOW thanks chief supreme mechanic Arsen for posting it ---- that's wide pala from low rev of 1600 rpm to 3200 rpm and 333 Nm torque is maintained all-throughout for an auto-tranny ng DMax-siado ahihi
....although mas wide at mas maganda pa rin ang Hilux from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm at 343 Nm WOW!!!!

Hahaha 333Nm from 1600 to 3200rpm is just the engine setting just like the strada that was set at 350Nm from 1800 to 3500rpm.

Hindi ka pa rin nagreresearch sa "torque converter" ano? If you done your homework BoI hindi ka matatawa sa bagay na hindi mo pala lubos na intindihan....hahaha
Very basic knowledge ito BoI hindi to excuses.... hahahah
Ang torque converter malaki ang slippage kapag malaki ang difference ng ikot ng impeler at ng turbine ng torque converter. Sa slippage pa lang BoI maiintindihan mo na sana na hindi kaagad natatransmit ng torque converter ng auto tranny ng DMAX ang buong 333Nm starting at 1600rpm. Ganun din sa Strada hindi kaagad nyan natatransmit ang buong 350Nm starting at 1800rpm dahil sa slippage sa torque converter.
BoI magresearch na kasi to learn more about torque converter and how its chracteristics affects the over-all performance

Kung may ilalabas man na performance curve para sa model with auto tranny ay very dependent ang results sa characteristics ng torque converter. Ang kayang iproduce na curve (hugis curve) ng Chassi Dyno ay hanggang doon lang sa kayang eh transmit na torque ng torque converter within a specific time period.
Para malaman ang maximum torque at a particular engine RPM kailangan pa antaying until the turbine of the torque converter reaches about 90% of the engine speed or yung coupling speed. Kapag inantay naman hindi na curve ang results BoI parang likod na ng dinosaur na tadtad ng matataba na spikes ang hugis.

Gusto mo ba yun BoI ang parang likod ng dinosaur instead of publishing maximum torque of 350Nm at 1800-3500rpm plus a smooth performance curve that includes the characteristics of the torque converter that was used in the vehicle?

Very useful set of information yaang napublish BoI ng Mitsu. Hindi lahat naglalabas ang ganyang data para sa auto tranny models. Di mo lang na appreciate dahil hindi mo alam ang basics... hahaha

Why useful ang two sets of info?
At least those who are familiar with (familiar ka na rin dapat ngayon... hahahah) and racing minded, knows that they can achieve a quicker acceleration by replacing the stock one with racing performance torque converter.
Whereas those who wants a more firm feeling and don't like peaky torque, they can refer to the stock performance curve and be amazed how smooth is the performance curve during normal acceleration.

Sorry pala kung "BoI" na tawag ko sa inyo insted of "Tsip". By vitue of the authority yan for calling me "Supreme" hahahah... Lucky me

KUMPARA NATIN itong dalawa sa pinaka mamahal mong publicity-hungry and overrated Strada so-called mechanical GTV ahihi ahoho.... Your engineered excuses show that....
....250 Nm lang at 1800 rpm at saka lang magiging 350 Nm at 3500 rpm (naku poh ang ingay na ng makina at lakas ng lamon sa crudo nito ahihi!!!!) pagkatapos ng 3500 rpm baba na kaagad ang torque, lambot na kagad ti-ti mo, hindi mo na ma-maintain ang sarap ahihi ahoho ayayay!

Hahaha lol. Mabuti at Tinagalog mo lang BoI. Kakahiya kung marami pang kagaya mo dito magpost.

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sorry pala kung "BoI" na tawag ko sa inyo insted of "Tsip". By vitue of the authority yan for calling me "Supreme" hahahah... Lucky me

Hahaha lol. Mabuti at Tinagalog mo lang BoI. Kakahiya kung marami pang kagaya mo dito magpost.

Ahihi, ALL-HAIL behold cheap master mechanic Arsen's intelligence

Kahit ano pa supreme mechanic sabihin mo, walang kabilib-bilb sa mga kasinungalingan mo ahihi.... Those very graphs came from Mitsubishi Philippines and CAGI during the testing of the 2011 "overrated" Strada GTV harhar!

Detailing the powerband of your beloved overrated Strada GTV is none other than CAGI president and Speedlab's FERMAN LAO

Lemme highlight the very words para mag-enjoy ka naman sa sinabi at findings nila Mr. Lao quoted en toto harhar! ---- "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Kung co-computin mo yan cheap master mechanic, at 1800 rpm 63.8 ps DIN lang ang power output ng Strada GTV mo and by 2500 rpm at only 300 Nm torque, it is only producing 106 ps DIN ahihi ahoho.... At dahil lahat naman ng diesel pickups natin ay 4-stroke, and since usually with a 4-stroke combustion (pressure combustion sa diesel) is once in every two (2) revolutions of the crank, that is already 900 times pressure combustion in a minute at 1800 rpm, 1250 pressure combustions in a minute at 2500 rpm, and a WHOPPING 1750 pressure combustions in a minute at 3500 rpm wow lakas lumamon ng crudo para maabot lang ang peak torque at one-single spot haha!!!!

Eh ang Toyota Hilux, kahit mababa palang ang engine speed nito at dahil 343 Nm na ang peak torque nito, at 1400 rpm, it is already producing 68.1 ps DIN at the wheel (with only 700 times pressure combustion), at 1800 rpm 87.6 ps, at 2500 rpm naman ay 122 ps DIN na pino-produce nito ahihi ahoho harhar!

Hayaan mo meron pa kong ire-reveal cheap mechanic Arsen ahihi.... mga inconsisntency sa mga publicity ng Mitsubishi as regards to dynamometer readings by the any other method, even say loading run.... at nakakatawa mga claim ng Mitsubishi na malayo sa katotohanan mga paper specs nila ahihi.... Mabuti pa ang 3-litre Toyota Hilux na halos consistent ang mga paper specs nila sa mga dynamometer readings if not even better harhar!

Kung gusto mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic Arsen, sumulat ka ng appeal sa Mitsubishi/ CAGI/ Speedlab, o gusto mo sa Kongreso pa eh ahihi, na mali lahat analysis nila Ferman Lao ng CAGI (vehicles for test as provided for and sanctioned by Mitsubishi Philippines) tungkol sa pinaka-mamahal mong overrated Mitsubishi "GTV" ....Tutulungan ka pa ni Tito, Vic and Joey ahihi ahoho....
....In the meantime, you can assume every scenario you want apart from what has transpired sa test ng CAGI as sanctioned ng Mitsubishi Philippines hahahaha!

Napaka-galing ng mga kasinungalingan mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic ---- pinagmamalaki mo pa matalinong generous ka pa sa lagay na yan ah hahahahaha!!!!

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sorry pala kung "BoI" na tawag ko sa inyo insted of "Tsip". By vitue of the authority yan for calling me "Supreme" hahahah... Lucky me

Hahaha lol. Mabuti at Tinagalog mo lang BoI. Kakahiya kung marami pang kagaya mo dito magpost.

Ahihi, ALL-HAIL behold cheap master mechanic Arsen's intelligence

Kahit ano pa supreme mechanic sabihin mo, walang kabilib-bilb sa mga kasinungalingan mo ahihi.... Those very graphs came from Mitsubishi Philippines and CAGI during the testing of the 2011 "overrated" Strada GTV harhar!

Detailing the powerband of your beloved overrated Strada GTV is none other than CAGI president and Speedlab's FERMAN LAO

Lemme highlight the very words para mag-enjoy ka naman sa sinabi at findings nila Mr. Lao quoted en toto harhar! ---- "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Kung co-computin mo yan cheap master mechanic, at 1800 rpm 63.8 ps DIN lang ang power output ng Strada GTV mo and by 2500 rpm at only 300 Nm torque, it is only producing 106 ps DIN ahihi ahoho.... At dahil lahat naman ng diesel pickups natin ay 4-stroke, and since usually with a 4-stroke combustion (pressure combustion sa diesel) is once in every two (2) revolutions of the crank, that is already 900 times pressure combustion in a minute at 1800 rpm, 1250 pressure combustions in a minute at 2500 rpm, and a WHOPPING 1750 pressure combustions in a minute at 3500 rpm wow lakas lumamon ng crudo para maabot lang ang peak torque at one-single spot haha!!!!

Eh ang Toyota Hilux, kahit mababa palang ang engine speed nito at dahil 343 Nm na ang peak torque nito, at 1400 rpm, it is already producing 68.1 ps DIN at the wheel (with only 700 times pressure combustion), at 1800 rpm 87.6 ps, at 2500 rpm naman ay 122 ps DIN na pino-produce nito ahihi ahoho harhar!

Hayaan mo meron pa kong ire-reveal cheap mechanic Arsen ahihi.... mga inconsisntency sa mga publicity ng Mitsubishi as regards to dynamometer readings by the any other method, even say loading run.... at nakakatawa mga claim ng Mitsubishi na malayo sa katotohanan mga paper specs nila ahihi.... Mabuti pa ang 3-litre Toyota Hilux na halos consistent ang mga paper specs nila sa mga dynamometer readings if not even better harhar!

Kung gusto mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic Arsen, sumulat ka ng appeal sa Mitsubishi/ CAGI/ Speedlab, o gusto mo sa Kongreso pa eh ahihi, na mali lahat analysis nila Ferman Lao ng CAGI (vehicles for test as provided for and sanctioned by Mitsubishi Philippines) tungkol sa pinaka-mamahal mong overrated Mitsubishi "GTV" ....Tutulungan ka pa ni Tito, Vic and Joey ahihi ahoho....
....In the meantime, you can assume every scenario you want apart from what has transpired sa test ng CAGI as sanctioned ng Mitsubishi Philippines hahahaha!

Napaka-galing ng mga kasinungalingan mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic ---- pinagmamalaki mo pa matalinong generous ka pa sa lagay na yan ah hahahahaha!!!!

[locoroco777]

Man!, You boys really know how to read and talk.....:coffee:



BTW, this thread is already 5 years old...just so you know...

[arsen]

Ahihi, ALL-HAIL behold cheap master mechanic Arsen's intelligence

Kahit ano pa supreme mechanic sabihin mo, walang kabilib-bilb sa mga kasinungalingan mo ahihi.... Those very graphs came from Mitsubishi Philippines and CAGI during the testing of the 2011 "overrated" Strada GTV harhar!

Detailing the powerband of your beloved overrated Strada GTV is none other than CAGI president and Speedlab's FERMAN LAO

Lemme highlight the very words para mag-enjoy ka naman sa sinabi at findings nila Mr. Lao quoted en toto harhar! ---- "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Kung co-computin mo yan cheap master mechanic, at 1800 rpm 63.8 ps DIN lang ang power output ng Strada GTV mo and by 2500 rpm at only 300 Nm torque, it is only producing 106 ps DIN ahihi ahoho.... At dahil lahat naman ng diesel pickups natin ay 4-stroke, and since usually with a 4-stroke combustion (pressure combustion sa diesel) is once in every two (2) revolutions of the crank, that is already 900 times pressure combustion in a minute at 1800 rpm, 1250 pressure combustions in a minute at 2500 rpm, and a WHOPPING 1750 pressure combustions in a minute at 3500 rpm wow lakas lumamon ng crudo para maabot lang ang peak torque at one-single spot haha!!!!

Eh ang Toyota Hilux, kahit mababa palang ang engine speed nito at dahil 343 Nm na ang peak torque nito, at 1400 rpm, it is already producing 68.1 ps DIN at the wheel (with only 700 times pressure combustion), at 1800 rpm 87.6 ps, at 2500 rpm naman ay 122 ps DIN na pino-produce nito ahihi ahoho harhar!

Hayaan mo meron pa kong ire-reveal cheap mechanic Arsen ahihi.... mga inconsisntency sa mga publicity ng Mitsubishi as regards to dynamometer readings by the any other method, even say loading run.... at nakakatawa mga claim ng Mitsubishi na malayo sa katotohanan mga paper specs nila ahihi.... Mabuti pa ang 3-litre Toyota Hilux na halos consistent ang mga paper specs nila sa mga dynamometer readings if not even better harhar!

Kung gusto mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic Arsen, sumulat ka ng appeal sa Mitsubishi/ CAGI/ Speedlab, o gusto mo sa Kongreso pa eh ahihi, na mali lahat analysis nila Ferman Lao ng CAGI (vehicles for test as provided for and sanctioned by Mitsubishi Philippines) tungkol sa pinaka-mamahal mong overrated Mitsubishi "GTV" ....Tutulungan ka pa ni Tito, Vic and Joey ahihi ahoho....
....In the meantime, you can assume every scenario you want apart from what has transpired sa test ng CAGI as sanctioned ng Mitsubishi Philippines hahahaha!

Napaka-galing ng mga kasinungalingan mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic ---- pinagmamalaki mo pa matalinong generous ka pa sa lagay na yan ah hahahahaha!!!!

Man!, You boys really know how to read and talk.....:coffee:



BTW, this thread is already 5 years old...just so you know...

Meron pa bang coffee dyan Sir locoroco? Hindi na nagsalang sa coffee maker ang chickretary namin. Its past 3pm na at refresh day namin every thursday.

Ibang klase din tong si T-Pacq (Mr.T+mukha ni Pacman)

Mamumulot na lang ng observation ng iba eh mali pa ang pagkakaintindi nya. Tapos na twist pa ang katotohanan. Pinalitan pa ng mga kasinungalingan.

Dito sya namulot oh:
http://www.kotse.com/home/index.php?...nge&Itemid=156

Unang-una sa Montero yan. Okay cge dahil 4D56 VGT rin. Apply or expect na rin sa Strada.

Eto yung maling mali nya na ginawa... hindi nya sinama etong statement na nakalagay immediately after ng mga performance curve.
Eto yung sabi dyan sa link na pinagpulutan nya:
[SIZE="2"]"The healthy increase in horsepower and torque is enough to declare the Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV as the new hero of the horsepower wars in the diesel-powered ladder frame vehicles; trumping even the mighty Nissan Navarra."[/SIZE]

Papuri kaya yan hindi yan pamimintas....

Tapos bilaliktad pa dito ang mga papuri ni Mr. Lao. Ginawang pamimintas....
Hala lagot ka T-Pacq. hahaha

[hinDMaxsiado]

Test 1-2-3

[hinDMaxsiado]

Meron pa bang coffee dyan Sir locoroco? Hindi na nagsalang sa coffee maker ang chickretary namin. Its past 3pm na at refresh day namin every thursday.

Ibang klase din tong si T-Pacq (Mr.T+mukha ni Pacman)

Mamumulot na lang ng observation ng iba eh mali pa ang pagkakaintindi nya. Tapos na twist pa ang katotohanan. Pinalitan pa ng mga kasinungalingan.

Dito sya namulot oh:
http://www.kotse.com/home/index.php?...nge&Itemid=156

Unang-una sa Montero yan. Okay cge dahil 4D56 VGT rin. Apply or expect na rin sa Strada.

Eto yung maling mali nya na ginawa... hindi nya sinama etong statement na nakalagay immediately after ng mga performance curve.
Eto yung sabi dyan sa link na pinagpulutan nya:
[SIZE=2]"The healthy increase in horsepower and torque is enough to declare the Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV as the new hero of the horsepower wars in the diesel-powered ladder frame vehicles; trumping even the mighty Nissan Navarra."[/SIZE]

Papuri kaya yan hindi yan pamimintas.... Tapos bilaliktad pa dito ang mga papuri ni Mr. Lao. Ginawang pamimintas....
Hala lagot ka T-Pacq. hahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wala ng masabi si iskul-bukol master mekaniko-showman Arsen haahahahahahahaha!!!! Pulot-boy nalang ng pampalubag-loob sa findings ni Mr. Lao at ayaw aminin ang mga technicalities hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Ang KASINUNGALINAGN MO DIYAN at PAMBOBOLA MO ay ang PILIT MONG ISINUSUBO sa mga tao dito na sa 1800 rpm pa lang ay 350 Nm na ang "overrated" Strada GTV mo, bagkus 250 Nm lang pala ito base sa findings nila Mr. Lao hahahahahahahahha!!!! Puros ka KASINUNGALINGAN.... Kung ikaw mekaniko o nagsasa-engineer ng sasakyan, definitely, HINDING-HINDI ko ipapa-repair sa 'yo mga sasakyan kahit munting pag-vulcanising lang ang alam mo hahaahahahahaha!!!!

Namumulitika ka pa sa mga ibang forumer ah, humingi ka pa ng kape kay locoroco777 at animo'y nagpapa-saklolo ka pa dahil 'di mo kaya ng e-tits mo mapahiya ka sa 250 Nm at 1800 rpm at sa KASINUNGALINGAN MO hahahaha!!!! Hirap sa atin INUTUSAN KA LANG BUMILI NG BAGOONG ng tatay mo sa kabilang tindahan at napadpad ka sa isang internet shop, naging genious ka na sa pagsasa-engineer ng mga sasakyan hahahahaha!!!!

Questionin mo si Mr. Lao ng CAGI at Speedlab at hamunin mo ng pagalingan, tignan natin at para may matutunan ka naman ng mga tamang analysis haha!!!!

I-post ko ng paulit-ulit ito baka magkalimutan eh ahihi....

Ahihi, ALL-HAIL behold cheap master mechanic Arsen's intelligence

Kahit ano pa supreme mechanic sabihin mo, walang kabilib-bilb sa mga kasinungalingan mo ahihi.... Those very graphs came from Mitsubishi Philippines and CAGI during the testing of the 2011 "overrated" Strada GTV harhar!

Detailing the powerband of your beloved overrated Strada GTV is none other than CAGI president and Speedlab's FERMAN LAO

Lemme highlight the very words para mag-enjoy ka naman sa sinabi at findings nila Mr. Lao quoted en toto harhar! ---- "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Kung co-computin mo yan cheap master mechanic, at 1800 rpm 63.8 ps DIN lang ang power output ng Strada GTV mo and by 2500 rpm at only 300 Nm torque, it is only producing 106 ps DIN ahihi ahoho.... At dahil lahat naman ng diesel pickups natin ay 4-stroke, and since usually with a 4-stroke combustion (pressure combustion sa diesel) is once in every two (2) revolutions of the crank, that is already 900 times pressure combustion in a minute at 1800 rpm, 1250 pressure combustions in a minute at 2500 rpm, and a WHOPPING 1750 pressure combustions in a minute at 3500 rpm wow lakas lumamon ng crudo para maabot lang ang peak torque at one-single spot haha!!!!

Eh ang Toyota Hilux, kahit mababa palang ang engine speed nito at dahil 343 Nm na ang peak torque nito, at 1400 rpm, it is already producing 68.1 ps DIN at the wheel (with only 700 times pressure combustion), at 1800 rpm 87.6 ps, at 2500 rpm naman ay 122 ps DIN na pino-produce nito ahihi ahoho harhar!

Hayaan mo meron pa kong ire-reveal cheap mechanic Arsen ahihi.... mga inconsisntency sa mga publicity ng Mitsubishi as regards to dynamometer readings by the any other method, even say loading run.... at nakakatawa mga claim ng Mitsubishi na malayo sa katotohanan mga paper specs nila ahihi.... Mabuti pa ang 3-litre Toyota Hilux na halos consistent ang mga paper specs nila sa mga dynamometer readings if not even better harhar!

Kung gusto mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic Arsen, sumulat ka ng appeal sa Mitsubishi/ CAGI/ Speedlab, o gusto mo sa Kongreso pa eh ahihi, na mali lahat analysis nila Ferman Lao ng CAGI (vehicles for test as provided for and sanctioned by Mitsubishi Philippines) tungkol sa pinaka-mamahal mong overrated Mitsubishi "GTV" ....Tutulungan ka pa ni Tito, Vic and Joey ahihi ahoho....
....In the meantime, you can assume every scenario you want apart from what has transpired sa test ng CAGI as sanctioned ng Mitsubishi Philippines hahahaha!

Napaka-galing ng mga kasinungalingan mo cheap iskul-bukol mechanic ---- pinagmamalaki mo pa matalinong generous ka pa sa lagay na yan ah hahahahaha!!!!

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Kung co-computin mo yan cheap master mechanic, at 1800 rpm 63.8 ps DIN lang ang power output ng Strada GTV mo and by 2500 rpm at only 300 Nm torque, it is only producing 106 ps DIN ahihi ahoho.... At dahil lahat naman ng diesel pickups natin ay 4-stroke, and since usually with a 4-stroke combustion (pressure combustion sa diesel) is once in every two (2) revolutions of the crank, that is already 900 times pressure combustion in a minute at 1800 rpm, 1250 pressure combustions in a minute at 2500 rpm, and a WHOPPING 1750 pressure combustions in a minute at 3500 rpm wow lakas lumamon ng crudo para maabot lang ang peak torque at one-single spot haha!!!!

Sorry pero hindi-to-the-Max ka parin nakaintindi.

Sa gulong sila nag dyno test. Kasama dyan sa test results ang performance characteristics ng torque converter. Hindi naman nila hinugot and makina at nilagay sa test stand so bat mo hahatulan ang makina ng ganyan... Kaw talaga.

nasabi ko na rin dito na "Para malaman ang maximum torque at a particular engine RPM kailangan pa antaying until the turbine of the torque converter reaches about 90% of the engine speed or yung coupling speed"

Yung coupling speed ng "Torque Converter" na about 90% ay sya rin dahilan kung bakit mas mababa ang power and torque ng auto vs manual. Maaring mas mababa sa 90 or mas mataas sa 90% Basta ang "torque converter" industry average ay about 90% para sa road going powertrain.

Dmax manual is 360Nm
Dmax auto is 333Nm
333/360 = 0.925 or 92.5%

4D56 Manual is 400Nm
4D56 Auto is 350Nm
350/400 = 0.875 or 87.5%

Ayan ha sa DMAX at Strada pa lang kitang kita mo na ang industry average. Saktong-sakto

92.5 + 87.5 = 180/2 = 90% hahaha tsamba lang yan BoI pero sapul ka pa rin ng upper-cut.... hahahah

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9........

[hinDMaxsiado]

Sorry pero hindi-to-the-Max ka parin nakaintindi.

Sa gulong sila nag dyno test. Kasama dyan sa test results ang performance characteristics ng torque converter. Hindi naman nila hinugot and makina at nilagay sa test stand so bat mo hahatulan ang makina ng ganyan... Kaw talaga.

nasabi ko na rin dito na "Para malaman ang maximum torque at a particular engine RPM kailangan pa antaying until the turbine of the torque converter reaches about 90% of the engine speed or yung coupling speed"

Yung coupling speed ng "Torque Converter" na about 90% ay sya rin dahilan kung bakit mas mababa ang power and torque ng auto vs manual. Maaring mas mababa sa 90 or mas mataas sa 90% Basta ang "torque converter" industry average ay about 90% para sa road going powertrain.

Dmax manual is 360Nm
Dmax auto is 333Nm
333/360 = 0.925 or 92.5%

4D56 Manual is 400Nm
4D56 Auto is 350Nm
350/400 = 0.875 or 87.5%

Ayan ha sa DMAX at Strada pa lang kitang kita mo na ang industry average. Saktong-sakto

92.5 + 87.5 = 180/2 = 90% hahaha tsamba lang yan BoI pero sapul ka pa rin ng upper-cut.... hahahah

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9........

May pa-tsapol-tsapol ka pa't uppercut iskul-bukol ace mechanic kuno haha!!!! Is that the best answer you've got by percentage and ratio haha!!!! Eh kahit yung 5-year old kong pamangkin kayang gawin yan eh hahahaha!!!!!

Eh ikaw nga hindi pala makaintindi't kaya "ps DIN" ang nakalagay diyan dahil ibig sabhin ng power by DIN standards is power at the wheel whether in pferdestarke (metric-hp or ps), horsepower or kilowatt.... horsepower at the wheel is by DIN standards, napakatalino mo pala't di mo alam hahahhahahahahaha!!!!


Pakita mo powerband ng 400-Nm mo na Strada VGT (na akala mo'y di ko pa nakita ahihi ) na gaya din ng 403 Nm na Navara yan na single peak-spot lang nito ay nasa 2000 rpm lang at biglang-baba na rin gaya ng Navara hahahaha!!!!

Hindi ma-sustain ang peak torque gaya ng e-tits mo na madali-sarapan hahahahaha!!!!

Hindi nagkakalayo ang powerband ng Nissan Navara na 2005 pa na may VGT, at ang Strada GTV mo na animo'y limpak-limpak ang publicity na akala mo Mitsubishi nag-imbento ng VGT ahihi.... Both have almost the same torque number that peaks only at 2000 rpm tops and then drops off quickly along the rev range hehehehe....

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wala ng masabi si iskul-bukol master mekaniko-showman Arsen haahahahahahahaha!!!! Pulot-boy nalang ng pampalubag-loob sa findings ni Mr. Lao at ayaw aminin ang mga technicalities hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Ang KASINUNGALINAGN MO DIYAN at PAMBOBOLA MO ay ang PILIT MONG ISINUSUBO sa mga tao dito na sa 1800 rpm pa lang ay 350 Nm na ang "overrated" Strada GTV mo, bagkus 250 Nm lang pala ito base sa findings nila Mr. Lao hahahahahahahahha!!!! Puros ka KASINUNGALINGAN.... Kung ikaw mekaniko o nagsasa-engineer ng sasakyan, definitely, HINDING-HINDI ko ipapa-repair sa 'yo mga sasakyan kahit munting pag-vulcanising lang ang alam mo hahaahahahahaha!!!!

Namumulitika ka pa sa mga ibang forumer ah, humingi ka pa ng kape kay locoroco777 at animo'y nagpapa-saklolo ka pa dahil 'di mo kaya ng e-tits mo mapahiya ka sa 250 Nm at 1800 rpm at sa KASINUNGALINGAN MO hahahaha!!!! Hirap sa atin INUTUSAN KA LANG BUMILI NG BAGOONG ng tatay mo sa kabilang tindahan at napadpad ka sa isang internet shop, naging genious ka na sa pagsasa-engineer ng mga sasakyan hahahahaha!!!!

Questionin mo si Mr. Lao ng CAGI at Speedlab at hamunin mo ng pagalingan, tignan natin at para may matutunan ka naman ng mga tamang analysis haha!!!!

I-post ko ng paulit-ulit ito baka magkalimutan eh ahihi....

Mr Lao had confirmed the impressive performance of the 4D56 VGT and he even praise it here:
http://www.kotse.com/home/index.php?...nge&Itemid=156

Mr Lao knows very well what to expect in an auto tranny fitted vehicle.

Mr Lao had declared the Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV as the new hero of the horsepower wars in the diesel-powered ladder frame vehicles; trumping even the mighty Nissan Navarra.

Mr Lao needs to write an article in Tagalog so that someone hiding in the name hinDMaxsiado might (baka sakali) understand.

Tapos na po ang lecture...

Balik ka na lang ulet next semester BoI, sorry ikaw ay bagsak sa subject ko... hahaha.

[hinDMaxsiado]

Mr Lao had confirmed the impressive performance of the 4D56 VGT and he even praise it here:
http://www.kotse.com/home/index.php?...nge&Itemid=156

Mr Lao knows very well what to expect in an auto tranny fitted vehicle.

Mr Lao had declared the Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV as the new hero of the horsepower wars in the diesel-powered ladder frame vehicles; trumping even the mighty Nissan Navarra.

Mr Lao needs to write an article in Tagalog so that someone hiding in the name hinDMaxsiado might (baka sakali) understand.

Tapos na po ang lecture...

Balik ka na lang ulet next semester BoI, sorry ikaw ay bagsak sa subject ko... hahaha.

Moreover, Mr. Lao SAID that the "Strada VGT peaks at 350 Nm at 3500 rpm".... NOT at 1800 rpm, as blatantly lied by iskul-bukol Arsen hahahahaha

There is a huge difference between 250 Nm at 1800 rpm and 350 Nm at 3500 rpm.... and definitely a huge fuel-consumption difference just to achieve that 350 Nm at one-single sweet spot along the rev-range whereby one needs to wring-out the neck of the GTV Strada's engine at 3500 rpm, instead of a low-rev such as sub-2000 rpm hehe....

Iskul-bukol mechanic and nagsasa-engineer Arsen is finding every way to COVER HIS ASS due to the vagrant lies he's been committing hahahaha!

To quote Mr. Lao's very words hehe.... "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Just as graphically presented by Mr. Lao himself:

[arsen]

Mr Lao had confirmed the impressive performance of the 4D56 VGT and he even praise it here:
http://www.kotse.com/home/index.php?...nge&Itemid=156

Mr Lao knows very well what to expect in an auto tranny fitted vehicle.

Mr Lao had declared the Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV as the new hero of the horsepower wars in the diesel-powered ladder frame vehicles; trumping even the mighty Nissan Navarra.

Mr Lao needs to write an article in Tagalog so that someone hiding in the name hinDMaxsiado might (baka sakali) understand.

Tapos na po ang lecture...

Balik ka na lang ulet next semester BoI, sorry ikaw ay bagsak sa subject ko... hahaha.

Moreover, Mr. Lao SAID that the "Strada VGT peaks at 350 Nm at 3500 rpm".... NOT at 1800 rpm, as blatantly lied by iskul-bukol Arsen hahahahaha

There is a huge difference between 250 Nm at 1800 rpm and 350 Nm at 3500 rpm.... and definitely a huge fuel-consumption difference just to achieve that 350 Nm at one-single sweet spot along the rev-range whereby one needs to wring-out the neck of the GTV Strada's engine at 3500 rpm, instead of a low-rev such as sub-2000 rpm hehe....

Iskul-bukol mechanic and nagsasa-engineer Arsen is finding every way to COVER HIS ASS due to the vagrant lies he's been committing hahahaha!

To quote Mr. Lao's very words hehe.... "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm instead of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range."

Just as graphically presented by Mr. Lao himself:

Tapos na ang klase hihirit ka pa ng removal.

Anong graphically presented by Mr Lao na pinagsasabi mo?
Handout figure yan ng Mitsu at with permission yan si Mr Lao para gamitin. Eh ikaw may permission ka ba noong una mo yan ginamit dito?
Tingnan mo na lang dito
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.ph/...img/feat10.jpg
Pati kulay parehas pa... hahahha
Mahiya ka naman kay Pacman pinapabugbog mo dito.

Huwag mo kasi biglain ang utak at matututo din yan over time.

Take your time. Basahin mo ulet at intindihin ang article ni Mr Lao at mga post ko.

You remind me of someone na mahina umintindi tapos intentionally pa na nagpapakatanga para mainis ang nagtuturo sa kanya. Meron mga madamot at kailangan muna eh challenge at inisin para masalin/mabunyag ang mga iba pa na nalalaman.

Ako di mo na ako kailangan inisin. Spoon feed pa nga ang ginagawa ko sau.... hahaha.