SUV real world dyno outputs

[IMm29]

An suv that is slow is not a sports utility vehicle, slow utility vehicle lang yun. Even if it looks like one. Kasi kung looks lang ang basehan e suv na din ang isuzu crosswind, montero sport tci, at alterra (bolahin nyo lelang nyo, parang si binay masa lang ang kayang bolahin!) It has to have all the requirements present - ride and comfort, speed on tarmac and power on dirt and gravel.

Parang sports din, ang basketball at football e sports. Ang chess hindi.

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

[SiRbossR]

I don't feel the MS has a good handling, it rolls so bad even in slow on camber turns.

[SiRbossR]

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

MS TCi? yan ba ung Non-VGT?

[IMm29]

MS TCi? yan ba ung Non-VGT?

Most probably

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[IMm29]

I don't feel the MS has a good handling, it rolls so bad even in slow on camber turns.

Baka it has a good ride. Not necessarily handling

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[glenn_duke]

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

Kung mabagal pa sa tingin mo yung 170 kph na top speed ng stock MS TCI, eh mabagal nga.
Matindi ang body roll ng MS sa mga corner, pero idaan mo sa rough road, kahit 100 kph, bale wala lang, yung ibang SUV tumatalon talon nayan nasa 40kph palang, lalo nayung leaf spring ang suspension sa likod.

[IMm29]

Kung mabagal pa sa tingin mo yung 170 kph na top speed ng stock MS TCI, eh mabagal nga.
Matindi ang body roll ng MS sa mga corner, pero idaan mo sa rough road, kahit 100 kph, bale wala lang, yung ibang SUV tumatalon talon nayan nasa 40kph palang, lalo nayung leaf spring ang suspension sa likod.

Yung mabagal part, that's what I wanted to clarify from yebo.

[yebo]

If 170 kph is fast for you then you must be a lot older than me. I am 50.

Seriously, it is because it takes a long time to get there, at pupugakpugak ng usok while doing so. Comon rail and variable geometry turbo are now the norm for modern diesels and imho for mitsubishi to come up with a tci montero sports is pure and simple pretentious. If you want the real suv then get the montero sport gtv.

[glenn_duke]

Irrespective of the drivers age, mabilis na ang 170 kph. Especially that the speed limit is at 100 kph. They are SUVs not Formula 1 car, they use public roads not race track. The time difference between a TCI SUV (MS, Eve, Alt, Fort etc) and a VGT/VNT/V** SUV reaching 170 kph is not that significant, they will still see each other at the toll gate, in the next traffic jam, in the next stop light or in the next speeding check point. If anything bad happened at 170 kph, they may again see each other at the same hospital and share the same emergency ward.

[LN106G]

I do not see the point in making a separate wheel-hp list as compared to the engine hp already published.

You would have to do it yourself given that EVERYONE has already given you the HP values of their vehicles.

Just make a mental note that 4WD will be slower than the 2WD version of the same vehicle because the load and weight from the 4WD system.

The only reason why tuner shops use wheel-hp is it is easier for them to measure engine output at the wheels than from the engine.

Well, I do understand that the HP and Torque ratings of each SUV given by their manufacturer on paper is the "flywheel" output rating and is NOT the same output the SUV is pumping out at the wheels. This is what we want coz' this is the "real world" output that is being felt by the owner. Yes, not everyone can afford to have their SUV undergo dyno testing coz of its prohibitive price. This is the main reason why I'm asking kind owners who had their SUV's dynoed and possibly share their results so others may learn from them. I grew up with 4WD's and very aware that they are naturally heavier than their 4WD brethrens.

[niky]

Peak hp, peak torque... meaningless without a curve. Have a curve? Meaningless without the gearing. The gearing and power curve? Meaningless without considering the weight and aerodynamics of the car.

Actual 0-100 km/h times? They'll tell you all you need to know.

[SiRbossR]

Peak hp, peak torque... meaningless without a curve. Have a curve? Meaningless without the gearing. The gearing and power curve? Meaningless without considering the weight and aerodynamics of the car.

Actual 0-100 km/h times? They'll tell you all you need to know.

Bless us with your infos, Niky

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[yebo]

Irrespective of the drivers age, mabilis na ang 170 kph. Especially that the speed limit is at 100 kph. They are SUVs not Formula 1 car, they use public roads not race track. The time difference between a TCI SUV (MS, Eve, Alt, Fort etc) and a VGT/VNT/V** SUV reaching 170 kph is not that significant, they will still see each other at the toll gate, in the next traffic jam, in the next stop light or in the next speeding check point. If anything bad happened at 170 kph, they may again see each other at the same hospital and share the same emergency ward.

We are not talking about public roads or speed limits. Read the title of the thread again, it is asking about SUVs. Wala naman tayo sa goon squad eh so what is your point? You are preaching in the wrong forum. Pinaguusapan what qualifies as an SUV and what is not.

Time difference daw is not significant hahaha! You don't know the difference because you don't know.

[GTi]

To get back to the topic, I do wonder. After looking at various Speedlab dyno sheets, I find that the Fortuner/Hilux 3.0 and the Montero/Strada 3.2 give only around 120whp. And then I see that the non VGT 2.5 Strada/Montero's also hit 120whp and a Strada GLS Sport V hit 170whp. I've driven the VGT Strada, and I know for a fact that it has difficulty going past 185km/h. What gives?

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[leodawesome]

^ Maybe the gearing comes into play.

OT: I only need 2 things from an SUV:

1. Head snapping torque.
2. Space

Anything else would be a plus in an SUV (comfort, handling, etc). But that's just me.

[glenn_duke]

Pinaguusapan what qualifies as an SUV and what is not..

Topic:

"SUV real world dyno outputs " <> "Pinaguusapan what qualifies as an SUV and what is not"

Are they the same?? So who went out of topic first?

[yebo]

Basahin mo from page 1 para malaman mo bakit napunta sa time from 0-100 kph to peak hp and torque and gearing, etc etc. All those are related to what the ts asked. Hirap kasi bigla na lang magpopost di naman nagbasa.

[yebo]

To get back to the topic, I do wonder. After looking at various Speedlab dyno sheets, I find that the Fortuner/Hilux 3.0 and the Montero/Strada 3.2 give only around 120whp. And then I see that the non VGT 2.5 Strada/Montero's also hit 120whp and a Strada GLS Sport V hit 170whp. I've driven the VGT Strada, and I know for a fact that it has difficulty going past 185km/h. What gives?

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Pick up kasi. Same as with my bt50, 200 hp and 470N-m torque pero i doubt if it will go past 185kph (speedometer is only up to 200 kph). It is designed to carry loads and pull trailers, not for top speed. Kaya yung upcoming 2014/2015 ford everest if it has the same gear box as the ranger/bt50 e it will not be worth it, especially if it also has the same quirks (wide turning radius, hard steering).

[jut703]

Pick up kasi. Same as with my bt50, 200 hp and 470N-m torque pero i doubt if it will go past 185kph (speedometer is only up to 200 kph). It is designed to carry loads and pull trailers, not for top speed. Kaya yung upcoming 2014/2015 ford everest if it has the same gear box as the ranger/bt50 e it will not be worth it, especially if it also has the same quirks (wide turning radius, hard steering).

Not really the gearing - whether I use 4th, 5th, or 6th gear, my Ranger has difficulty past 170 kph. 175 kph was my highest on a straight road. 180 with a slight incline. I doubt that after chipping it, I'll exceed 180.

It's more of the aerodynamics - the Ranger has a drag coefficient of 0.40. The BT-50 shouldn't be far off. That's pretty low for a pick-up but still much higher than a car or even a CUV.

More important than top speed though for me is responsiveness and acceleration from 60-120 because that's the average speed on our Nat'l Highways. Sa SLEX/NLEX/SCTEX lang ako nakakabyahe ng lagpas 140 kph effortlessly.


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[jut703]

To get back to the topic, I do wonder. After looking at various Speedlab dyno sheets, I find that the Fortuner/Hilux 3.0 and the Montero/Strada 3.2 give only around 120whp. And then I see that the non VGT 2.5 Strada/Montero's also hit 120whp and a Strada GLS Sport V hit 170whp. I've driven the VGT Strada, and I know for a fact that it has difficulty going past 185km/h. What gives?

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WHP is peak power - still doesn't translate to how well the power is delivered. End result that you're looking for is still acceleration and sometimes, top speed.

From experience though, I had a stoplight duel (that lasted 60 km) with a Strada GLX-V - it should smoke my Ranger 2.2 on the straights but it was dead even, whether it was from 0-160 or upon coming out of a corner or an overtake (approx 60-140).

I used to feel bad about having "only" 148 hp but that 30 hp gap with the VGT Strada wasn't noticeable at all in real-world conditions.


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