SUV real world dyno outputs

[LN106G]

SUV "wars" are on the rise with each manufacturer posting their outputs (HP & Torque) at an astonishing values. However, we know that these values posted are outputs taken at the flywheel in the factory. Maybe someone here can post the "real world" unmodified stock output through dyno of the latest and common
SUV's in the market today? It would be interesting to know if they really live up to their given specs and the potential buyer informed..

cheers!

[ghosthunter]

SUV "wars" are on the rise with each manufacturer posting their outputs (HP & Torque) at an astonishing values. However, we know that these values posted are outputs taken at the flywheel in the factory. Maybe someone here can post the "real world" unmodified stock output through dyno of the latest and common
SUV's in the market today? It would be interesting to know if they really live up to their given specs and the potential buyer informed..

cheers!

I do not see the point in making a separate wheel-hp list as compared to the engine hp already published.

You would have to do it yourself given that EVERYONE has already given you the HP values of their vehicles.

Just make a mental note that 4WD will be slower than the 2WD version of the same vehicle because the load and weight from the 4WD system.

The only reason why tuner shops use wheel-hp is it is easier for them to measure engine output at the wheels than from the engine.

[LN106G]

I do not see the point in making a separate wheel-hp list as compared to the engine hp already published.

You would have to do it yourself given that EVERYONE has already given you the HP values of their vehicles.

Just make a mental note that 4WD will be slower than the 2WD version of the same vehicle because the load and weight from the 4WD system.

The only reason why tuner shops use wheel-hp is it is easier for them to measure engine output at the wheels than from the engine.

Well, I do understand that the HP and Torque ratings of each SUV given by their manufacturer on paper is the "flywheel" output rating and is NOT the same output the SUV is pumping out at the wheels. This is what we want coz' this is the "real world" output that is being felt by the owner. Yes, not everyone can afford to have their SUV undergo dyno testing coz of its prohibitive price. This is the main reason why I'm asking kind owners who had their SUV's dynoed and possibly share their results so others may learn from them. I grew up with 4WD's and very aware that they are naturally heavier than their 4WD brethrens.

[niky]

Peak hp, peak torque... meaningless without a curve. Have a curve? Meaningless without the gearing. The gearing and power curve? Meaningless without considering the weight and aerodynamics of the car.

Actual 0-100 km/h times? They'll tell you all you need to know.

[SiRbossR]

Peak hp, peak torque... meaningless without a curve. Have a curve? Meaningless without the gearing. The gearing and power curve? Meaningless without considering the weight and aerodynamics of the car.

Actual 0-100 km/h times? They'll tell you all you need to know.

Bless us with your infos, Niky

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[deafault]

I think, one important factor to consider is the power to weight ratio. Ang SUV ay mabigat. Sing bigat ng barko lol. You need lotsa torque to move a ship, este SUV.

[niky]

All that matters is acceleration times and top speed. Doesn't matter if you have a bajillion hp if your car is shaped like a brick and weighs as much as an ocean liner.

Regarding advertised power: The Trailblazer 2.8 is the real deal. Even the "178 hp" variant made more power on the dyno than the Navara and the Strada, and the 200 hp version puts out much more. Speedlab has done one with bolt-ons, chip and alcohol running over 240 hp at the wheels.

[EQAddict]

Yep agree with Niky here. My 178hp stock LTZ is pretty fast already. I've done the stoplight dance with the new cr-v and the honda didn't stand a chance.




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[niky]

Yep agree with Niky here. My 178hp stock LTZ is pretty fast already. I've done the stoplight dance with the new cr-v and the honda didn't stand a chance.




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The K24 is a good motor, but the CR-V's AWD really saps power and the 5AT is inadequate compared to the Trailblazer's 6AT.

TB 4x2 6AT is a monster. 0-100 km/h in around 9+ seconds. I imagine the 241 whp one could put a serious hurting on the 2.0 Forester XT.

[metslgx]

The K24 is a good motor, but the CR-V's AWD really saps power and the 5AT is inadequate compared to the Trailblazer's 6AT.

TB 4x2 6AT is a monster. 0-100 km/h in around 9+ seconds. I imagine the 241 whp one could put a serious hurting on the 2.0 Forester XT.

i just hope that suv owners are responsible enough to constantly remind themselves that their rigs are still an suv and no matter what they do to improve its handling, cannot be treated like a sedan...

[jhnkvn]

i just hope that suv owners are responsible enough to constantly remind themselves that their rigs are still an suv and no matter what they do to improve its handling, cannot be treated like a sedan...

Unless you're a Porsche Cayenne............

[foresterx]

Unless you're a Porsche Cayenne............

cayenne gts/turbo to be exact, x5/6m, mb ml63, jeep srt8 and fxt sti. you'd be surprised how well those suv's handle, much better than your average sedan and even some sports cars.

anyway if regular suv's i find it funny when people look for power and handling on them and bragging about top speed. for me suv needs to be comfortable, spacious and loaded with features. power it doesn't really matter as long as it has decent power to weight ratio for passing slow moving vehicles and climbing steep hills.

[GTi]

Oh, but I find them all quite excellent handlers compared to the Trooper. Anybody remember how it drives? Power was abundant, class leading even, during it's time. In fact, I'm sure it can still give many current SUVs a run for their money in the perfomance department. Ride comfort was great for an SUV. If the Alterra's handling is already boat-like, I don't know what class this is. Steering, though pretty light, takes about five turns to lock and body roll is absolutely horrible. You'd think the car was going to tip over almost everytime you turn!

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[niky]

Oh, but I find them all quite excellent handlers compared to the Trooper. Anybody remember how it drives? Power was abundant, class leading even, during it's time. In fact, I'm sure it can still give many current SUVs a run for their money in the perfomance department. Ride comfort was great for an SUV. If the Alterra's handling is already boat-like, I don't know what class this is. Steering, though pretty light, takes about five turns to lock and body roll is absolutely horrible. You'd think the car was going to tip over almost everytime you turn!

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Well, granted, compared to older trucks, yes, the Montero is quite good. Doesn't feel like it's going to kill you as much as an old Pajero or the Trooper would.

Forgot one thing... the Fortuner, when it was new on the market (and very, very stiff), had that nasty habit of having front and rear suspensions out of sync. The front end would give you false confidence, while the rear would be skittering on the edge of oversteer. Little wonder that we had so many high speed accidents in the first few years it was on the road.

[yebo]

An suv that is slow is not a sports utility vehicle, slow utility vehicle lang yun. Even if it looks like one. Kasi kung looks lang ang basehan e suv na din ang isuzu crosswind, montero sport tci, at alterra (bolahin nyo lelang nyo, parang si binay masa lang ang kayang bolahin!) It has to have all the requirements present - ride and comfort, speed on tarmac and power on dirt and gravel.

Parang sports din, ang basketball at football e sports. Ang chess hindi.

[IMm29]

An suv that is slow is not a sports utility vehicle, slow utility vehicle lang yun. Even if it looks like one. Kasi kung looks lang ang basehan e suv na din ang isuzu crosswind, montero sport tci, at alterra (bolahin nyo lelang nyo, parang si binay masa lang ang kayang bolahin!) It has to have all the requirements present - ride and comfort, speed on tarmac and power on dirt and gravel.

Parang sports din, ang basketball at football e sports. Ang chess hindi.

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

[SiRbossR]

I don't feel the MS has a good handling, it rolls so bad even in slow on camber turns.

[SiRbossR]

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

MS TCi? yan ba ung Non-VGT?

[glenn_duke]

Crosswind I agree wholeheartedly. Pero ganun ba kabagal ang MS na TCi?

Kung mabagal pa sa tingin mo yung 170 kph na top speed ng stock MS TCI, eh mabagal nga.
Matindi ang body roll ng MS sa mga corner, pero idaan mo sa rough road, kahit 100 kph, bale wala lang, yung ibang SUV tumatalon talon nayan nasa 40kph palang, lalo nayung leaf spring ang suspension sa likod.

[yebo]

Irrespective of the drivers age, mabilis na ang 170 kph. Especially that the speed limit is at 100 kph. They are SUVs not Formula 1 car, they use public roads not race track. The time difference between a TCI SUV (MS, Eve, Alt, Fort etc) and a VGT/VNT/V** SUV reaching 170 kph is not that significant, they will still see each other at the toll gate, in the next traffic jam, in the next stop light or in the next speeding check point. If anything bad happened at 170 kph, they may again see each other at the same hospital and share the same emergency ward.

We are not talking about public roads or speed limits. Read the title of the thread again, it is asking about SUVs. Wala naman tayo sa goon squad eh so what is your point? You are preaching in the wrong forum. Pinaguusapan what qualifies as an SUV and what is not.

Time difference daw is not significant hahaha! You don't know the difference because you don't know.