SUV real world dyno outputs

[LN106G]

SUV "wars" are on the rise with each manufacturer posting their outputs (HP & Torque) at an astonishing values. However, we know that these values posted are outputs taken at the flywheel in the factory. Maybe someone here can post the "real world" unmodified stock output through dyno of the latest and common
SUV's in the market today? It would be interesting to know if they really live up to their given specs and the potential buyer informed..

cheers!

[ghosthunter]

SUV "wars" are on the rise with each manufacturer posting their outputs (HP & Torque) at an astonishing values. However, we know that these values posted are outputs taken at the flywheel in the factory. Maybe someone here can post the "real world" unmodified stock output through dyno of the latest and common
SUV's in the market today? It would be interesting to know if they really live up to their given specs and the potential buyer informed..

cheers!

I do not see the point in making a separate wheel-hp list as compared to the engine hp already published.

You would have to do it yourself given that EVERYONE has already given you the HP values of their vehicles.

Just make a mental note that 4WD will be slower than the 2WD version of the same vehicle because the load and weight from the 4WD system.

The only reason why tuner shops use wheel-hp is it is easier for them to measure engine output at the wheels than from the engine.

[deafault]

I think, one important factor to consider is the power to weight ratio. Ang SUV ay mabigat. Sing bigat ng barko lol. You need lotsa torque to move a ship, este SUV.

[niky]

All that matters is acceleration times and top speed. Doesn't matter if you have a bajillion hp if your car is shaped like a brick and weighs as much as an ocean liner.

Regarding advertised power: The Trailblazer 2.8 is the real deal. Even the "178 hp" variant made more power on the dyno than the Navara and the Strada, and the 200 hp version puts out much more. Speedlab has done one with bolt-ons, chip and alcohol running over 240 hp at the wheels.

[EQAddict]

Yep agree with Niky here. My 178hp stock LTZ is pretty fast already. I've done the stoplight dance with the new cr-v and the honda didn't stand a chance.




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[niky]

Yep agree with Niky here. My 178hp stock LTZ is pretty fast already. I've done the stoplight dance with the new cr-v and the honda didn't stand a chance.




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The K24 is a good motor, but the CR-V's AWD really saps power and the 5AT is inadequate compared to the Trailblazer's 6AT.

TB 4x2 6AT is a monster. 0-100 km/h in around 9+ seconds. I imagine the 241 whp one could put a serious hurting on the 2.0 Forester XT.

[metslgx]

The K24 is a good motor, but the CR-V's AWD really saps power and the 5AT is inadequate compared to the Trailblazer's 6AT.

TB 4x2 6AT is a monster. 0-100 km/h in around 9+ seconds. I imagine the 241 whp one could put a serious hurting on the 2.0 Forester XT.

i just hope that suv owners are responsible enough to constantly remind themselves that their rigs are still an suv and no matter what they do to improve its handling, cannot be treated like a sedan...

[jhnkvn]

i just hope that suv owners are responsible enough to constantly remind themselves that their rigs are still an suv and no matter what they do to improve its handling, cannot be treated like a sedan...

Unless you're a Porsche Cayenne............

[foresterx]

Unless you're a Porsche Cayenne............

cayenne gts/turbo to be exact, x5/6m, mb ml63, jeep srt8 and fxt sti. you'd be surprised how well those suv's handle, much better than your average sedan and even some sports cars.

anyway if regular suv's i find it funny when people look for power and handling on them and bragging about top speed. for me suv needs to be comfortable, spacious and loaded with features. power it doesn't really matter as long as it has decent power to weight ratio for passing slow moving vehicles and climbing steep hills.

[deafault]

i just hope that suv owners are responsible enough to constantly remind themselves that their rigs are still an suv and no matter what they do to improve its handling, cannot be treated like a sedan...

anyway if regular suv's i find it funny when people look for power and handling on them and bragging about top speed. for me suv needs to be comfortable, spacious and loaded with features. power it doesn't really matter as long as it has decent power to weight ratio for passing slow moving vehicles and climbing steep hills.

Very true. Yung pinsan ko nga ang ganda daw ng handling nung new MS nya sa mga kurbada. Naku po. Lagi ko pinapaalala sa kanya na mataas ang center of gravity ng oto nya at ibang iba ang aerodynamics ng mga previous sedans nya sa suv niya ngayon. Haha.

[foresterx]

montero that handles really good in curves.:bwahaha: compared to other ladder frame suspension suv's probably yes, pero compared to other cars it drives like a boat.

[jut703]

cayenne gts/turbo to be exact, x5/6m, mb ml63, jeep srt8 and fxt sti. you'd be surprised how well those suv's handle, much better than your average sedan and even some sports cars.

anyway if regular suv's i find it funny when people look for power and handling on them and bragging about top speed. for me suv needs to be comfortable, spacious and loaded with features. power it doesn't really matter as long as it has decent power to weight ratio for passing slow moving vehicles and climbing steep hills.

I believe it's because not everyone has the money to buy a separate "fun" car. So they would want their practical SUV to also be their weekend machine.

Also, there's nothing wrong with wanting a utility vehicle to also be fun to drive. I appreciate my Ranger much more than I would if I bought a Strada because of the former's better handling - better brakes, more feedback from the steering, less body roll, and more grip.

Di kasi lahat ng tao pareho ng hinahanap pag bumibili ng kotse

[IMm29]

montero that handles really good in curves.:bwahaha: compared to other ladder frame suspension suv's probably yes, pero compared to other cars it drives like a boat.

For the sake of argument, maganda ba talaga for cornering ang MS vs other ladder and frame suvs since it has the softer suspension?

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[IMm29]

I believe it's because not everyone has the money to buy a separate "fun" car. So they would want their practical SUV to also be their weekend machine. Also, there's nothing wrong with wanting a utility vehicle to also be fun to drive. I appreciate my Ranger much more than I would if I bought a Strada because of the former's better handling - better brakes, more feedback from the steering, less body roll, and more grip. Di kasi lahat ng tao pareho ng hinahanap pag bumibili ng kotse

Well fun to drive might just be driving a bit faster or enjoying the fat torque curve for some and driving all out for others.

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[foresterx]

I believe it's because not everyone has the money to buy a separate "fun" car. So they would want their practical SUV to also be their weekend machine.

Also, there's nothing wrong with wanting a utility vehicle to also be fun to drive. I appreciate my Ranger much more than I would if I bought a Strada because of the former's better handling - better brakes, more feedback from the steering, less body roll, and more grip.

Di kasi lahat ng tao pareho ng hinahanap pag bumibili ng kotse

i totally understand what you're saying and that there are suv that will handle and brake better and has more power than others. what i don't like is those people bragging that their suv has xxx top speed or they were able to take a curve at a certain speed. heck most of the time when people here ask which has more power people would say their suv went xxxkm/h as if top speed is everything to a car.

For the sake of argument, maganda ba talaga for cornering ang MS vs other ladder and frame suvs since it has the softer suspension?

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compared to fortune and it's pick up counter parts yes it is, the only ladder frame suspension that handles better than the montero is the tbz.

[niky]

For the sake of argument, maganda ba talaga for cornering ang MS vs other ladder and frame suvs since it has the softer suspension?



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Nope.

The Fortuner handles better. Faster steering. More stability. Just not as much grip.

The Everest, strangely, handles better. Stiffer suspension, better tires, keen steering. Not much lateral axle control, but 18" wheels make up for a lot of sins.

The Trailblazer is about equal. Quicker steering, but body roll and understeer. Feels a bit more sure-footed. The problem is the electric steering rack is very numb.

The Montero Sport has much body roll, poor wheel control and very, very, very slow steering. About four-turns lock-to-lock. It's not bad stability-wise, but the slow steering makes it pretty dull on a tight and twisty road.

The Alterra is the class boat. It has more body roll, less grip and steering that is just as slow. But then, nobody ever claimed the Alterra was sporty. Still a good cruiser, because it's so soft.

This is mostly from slalom testing, however. I've driven all of these on the road, but not back-to-back...

[GTi]

Oh, but I find them all quite excellent handlers compared to the Trooper. Anybody remember how it drives? Power was abundant, class leading even, during it's time. In fact, I'm sure it can still give many current SUVs a run for their money in the perfomance department. Ride comfort was great for an SUV. If the Alterra's handling is already boat-like, I don't know what class this is. Steering, though pretty light, takes about five turns to lock and body roll is absolutely horrible. You'd think the car was going to tip over almost everytime you turn!

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[IMm29]

Nope. The Fortuner handles better. Faster steering. More stability. Just not as much grip. The Everest, strangely, handles better. Stiffer suspension, better tires, keen steering. Not much lateral axle control, but 18" wheels make up for a lot of sins. The Trailblazer is about equal. Quicker steering, but body roll and understeer. Feels a bit more sure-footed. The problem is the electric steering rack is very numb. The Montero Sport has much body roll, poor wheel control and very, very, very slow steering. About four-turns lock-to-lock. It's not bad stability-wise, but the slow steering makes it pretty dull on a tight and twisty road. The Alterra is the class boat. It has more body roll, less grip and steering that is just as slow. But then, nobody ever claimed the Alterra was sporty. Still a good cruiser, because it's so soft. This is mostly from slalom testing, however. I've driven all of these on the road, but not back-to-back...

Thought so. Thanks niky.

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[niky]

Oh, but I find them all quite excellent handlers compared to the Trooper. Anybody remember how it drives? Power was abundant, class leading even, during it's time. In fact, I'm sure it can still give many current SUVs a run for their money in the perfomance department. Ride comfort was great for an SUV. If the Alterra's handling is already boat-like, I don't know what class this is. Steering, though pretty light, takes about five turns to lock and body roll is absolutely horrible. You'd think the car was going to tip over almost everytime you turn!

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Well, granted, compared to older trucks, yes, the Montero is quite good. Doesn't feel like it's going to kill you as much as an old Pajero or the Trooper would.

Forgot one thing... the Fortuner, when it was new on the market (and very, very stiff), had that nasty habit of having front and rear suspensions out of sync. The front end would give you false confidence, while the rear would be skittering on the edge of oversteer. Little wonder that we had so many high speed accidents in the first few years it was on the road.

[yebo]

An suv that is slow is not a sports utility vehicle, slow utility vehicle lang yun. Even if it looks like one. Kasi kung looks lang ang basehan e suv na din ang isuzu crosswind, montero sport tci, at alterra (bolahin nyo lelang nyo, parang si binay masa lang ang kayang bolahin!) It has to have all the requirements present - ride and comfort, speed on tarmac and power on dirt and gravel.

Parang sports din, ang basketball at football e sports. Ang chess hindi.