Sportage 2.0 or Forester 2.0 or Montero non VGT

[April_Ryan]

Significant ba that the Forester 2.0 has 4-speed AT while most cars now have 5-speed or 6-speed? Ano ba naidudulot ng mas marami?

[sachiel]

Hehehe kamusta naman kaya seats ng CR-V :hysterical:

Matigas pa rin ba seats ng new CRV?

I'd go for either CX-5 or Sportage CRDI. XV is really too small for me, parang same size lang ng ASX which makes ASX a better value. You can also check out Xtrail CVT with this price range. It's possible Nissan can give good discounts. Montero will always be a good value which makes it the same with Innova. Your "wants" and "needs" will be fighting to the death here so test drive your choices.

[sachiel]

Significant ba that the Forester 2.0 has 4-speed AT while most cars now have 5-speed or 6-speed? Ano ba naidudulot ng mas marami?

Significant if you're after FC but your route is a bigger factor. For city driving, 4 or 6 speed won't make any difference. My Xtrail 2L can get 6.3km/L in pure city driving while my Xtrail CVT can only do 5.5km/L. In highways, my 2L can do 7km/L while the CVT can do 8km/L.

[April_Ryan]

still as confused as ever.

tier 1: Subaru XV base model
tier 2: Subaru Forester 2.0; Sportage (diesel or gas) or the slightly safer choice, Tucson (diesel or gas);
tier 3: Mazda CX-5 (but it's 50K above-budget)

[April_Ryan]

now down to:

Subaru XV vs. Sportage CRDi

[April_Ryan]

XV (P 1.398M) costs about 100,000 more than the Sportage CRDi (P1.290M).

Here are the ways by which they differ:

1. The XV is AWD, while Sportage is FWD;
2. The XV has 7 airbags, while Sportage only has 2;
3. The XV has CVT, while Sportage is 6-speed AT;
4. The XV has a (small) sunroof, while Sportage has none;
5. The XV has paddle shifters (not that I know what's it for hehe), while Sportage has none;
6. The XV has auto climate control AC, while Sportage has manual control;
7. The Sportage has daytime running light, while XV has none.
8. The Sportage's diesel fuel costs about 10 pesos less than XV's gas.

Surprisingly, height specs are about the same: Sportage 1,645mm v. XV's 1615mm or a difference of 30mm or 1.18 inches.

I'm now trying to compare the cost of PMS for both.

[AntonM]

While it will matter how the 2 SUV's unique propositions appeal to you:
1. AWD vs. FWD - where will you be driving it most frequently? Will you be needing the AWD for off-roading? Will AWD matter for such compact SUVs anyway?
2. Subaru's 7 airbags reinforce the brand's sports car lineage. Good to see Sportage already has 2, the previous model Sportage I got only had driver's side. While more airbags equate to better safety, how many would one really need?
3. CVT vs. 6-speed AT should equate to similar fuel efficiency but if you'll be driving it mostly in the city's traffic, will make for small difference as you will be mostly in the lower gears.
4. Paddle shifters again reinforce Subaru's sports car lineage. Sportage has the manual override shifter to its AT.
5. Diesel vs. Gas - a few tsikoters here have made the computation that lifetime running cost will be the same as between gas and diesel, what you save on filling up on diesel is offset by its higher servicing/maintenance costs; and again a few members notice that the initial fuel efficiency of the diesel crdi's disappears over time.

In the end, it will all boil down to brand: is the Subaru race car image worth the P100,000 price difference to you?

I too was in a similar situation 5 years ago and will soon be again as my company car is due for replacement this year and I'm considering the same choices, and leaning to a Montero non VGT Manual (as this is all I can afford given company cap at P1M and all that I'm willing to top up). Hope this helps you.

[April_Ryan]

Final decision: Forester 2.0

Thanks for the help guys

[AntonM]

Good choice! Congratulations on your new ride. Your experience is helpful for me as I will be at the same crossroads come November when my car is due up for replacement. Makes me want to consider the Forester too.

[eido]

Mas mabilis sportage ba?

[April_Ryan]

Good choice! Congratulations on your new ride. Your experience is helpful for me as I will be at the same crossroads come November when my car is due up for replacement. Makes me want to consider the Forester too.

New Forester coming 1Q 2013. If you don't mind getting a new "old" car, discount should be getting higher and higher as the launch approaches

[cripple_rooster]

Even Nissan Frontier Navara owners are deleting the EGR for better response and economy. Our dirty diesel is killer on EGR valves.

How much is the sulphur content of the diesel back there?