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yeah i do agree with you that some newer montero does spew white smoke but i can say that its not that bad. you will only notice it if you really take a closer look at it. plus does this smoke really that bad? i mean does this affect one's overall performance? for me as long as it passes smoke emission then your good to go. you are helping mother nature by not polluting the metro.
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[SIZE=2]If you only take a closer look ? Not really. In the 2011 Montero thread, there was a video posted by an owner who was complaining about the excessive smoke that his Montero was releasing. And he was several feet away from his vehicle, and from that POV the smoke is still seen.

Also, there was another video that was posted on the similar thread wherein the " cam car " was following a Montero VGT and the smoke is still seen/evident. And on my book, that's not something you see regularly. The first Montero was stationary while the second one was driving in a village so it's kind of obvious that he was not really flooring it.
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[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=1]then again if it passes the emission test weather it puff smoke then your good. Isnt it? so whats the fuzz? [/SIZE]
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that although it passed the emission test it is already THAT environmental friendly. Those crappy jeepneys pass the emission tests & yet, they puff so much smoke. While those priuses pass the similar test & yet, you hardly see any smoke coming out from its exhaust.

Having zero smoke, or close than zero is still better than having the opposite of it. Take this an example, ano ba mas gusto mo ? New year na mausok or normal day na halos wala ka masinghot na mabaho ? They're both allowable, yes. But I'd think I'd take the latter for health's sake.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]Well you are like comparing apples to orange. first of all the fortuner is non VGT. so its abit bias to compare it to the new montero which uses a VGT. i guess it is more proper if you compare the fortuner to the old montero. both of them dont spew white smoke even at idle.
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If you have read my posts, I've said that probably it's better if Toyota wont upgrade first to VGT as some " smoke problems " is still seen on their rival which is Mitsubishi. Now, if they would upgrade in the future & experience the same problems then, I guess people would still prefer their non-VGT units as these are not really contributing to the " pollution " that we are already experiencing.

To tell you, I have not bashed old Montero's, in fact, I have even appreciated some of them since they are really comfortable compared to Fortuners. They have the same power & they offer almost the same features. Why would I go back in time & compare those two again ? It's just pointless.
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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]also reviews are there for us to help us decide if what we fancy are a great buy or not. but assuming something based on reviews is a different thing. it is much better if we have a hands on experience before giving feedbacks on the subject matter. if not it'll just look like a hearsay. because what if you read the review differently as to what it really said?
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What if you wont have the chance to drive that particular vehicle ? Does that mean that you'll just shut up and not comment about it ?

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]Well maybe the navara was a year or two older than the strada or maybe the navara has a poor servicing and had alot of carbon deposit already on its tail pipe thats why on full throttle it spew black smoke, while possibly the strada was just recently purchased with just a few clicks on its odometer? because right now i occasionally see black smoke when i over rev my strada. when i changed my stock exhaust i saw that it has already accumulated some carbon on the inside walls of the exhaust. my truck has only 10,000KM total.

like what you said Observation is the key, Sir. and these are my personal observations. Lastly its a diesel... what would you expect? even my sister inlaw tucson(diesel) spew black smoke when you floor it.
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Uhm. Do you mean that these relatively new Monteros have accumulated a lot of carbon deposits already resulting to spewing a lot of smoke ?

Oh by the way, not all diesels puff black smoke when you floor it. Take the LC200 as an example.

[SIZE=1]Well comparing them to other SUV may it be fortuner or montero, i can say that they are still on the advantage. simply put that hyundai uses newer engine compare with the mitsus 4d56 and the toyotas d4d which i guess is already 5 or 6 years old right now.[/SIZE]
My point is. Why upgrade the engine when the old one is somewhat perfect ? Fast enough. Belches lesser smoke. Etc. etc.

Why can't they rather change the styling than change the engine itself to something worse ? ... or yet, improve their technology first before releasing it to the public.
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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]arent the d4d has their gremlins too? even the dmax's had some SCV problems too. not all strada/montero had this problem. you will not see alot of them on the streets if its a recurring problem. had a friend who owns a 4 yr old montero and not had any problem with it. my sister in law has a monty too and never had any problem with scv. they are not very particular with diesel. they just fill up anywhere they want.

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Yes, they do. But they did solve it already. So far I have not YET, again YET, heard nor read about any 2.5L D4D problems this year.

If I'm not mistaken, the SCV problem is only evident on the older stradas. Not even on the montero & on the newer pick-ups.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]I beg to disagree. you learn alot from personal experiences. I believe these are the things you cant buy....
just speaking out aloud bro.
peace out.
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I never said that you don't learn a lot from personal experiences, cause you do. What I am saying is, you can ALSO learn from the experiences & thoughts of others. Not just from pure personal experiences.