New strada worth waiting for?

[djoverdose]

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[SIZE=2]If you only take a closer look ? Not really. In the 2011 Montero thread, there was a video posted by an owner who was complaining about the excessive smoke that his Montero was releasing. And he was several feet away from his vehicle, and from that POV the smoke is still seen.

Also, there was another video that was posted on the similar thread wherein the " cam car " was following a Montero VGT and the smoke is still seen/evident. And on my book, that's not something you see regularly. The first Montero was stationary while the second one was driving in a village so it's kind of obvious that he was not really flooring it.
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well i saw that vid... it does spew white smoke and i can say it can be irritating just because its a brand new car. but then again my neighbor bought a new MS and i dont see any white smoke. my friend recently got his strada VGT and that too has no white smoke at all. like what i said, does this white smoke that bad? does this affect performance? either way this vehicles has catalytic converters so even if they spew white smoke or black you can rest assured that it does not spew high contents of NOX. for me its greener already. like what you said environmental friendly. or better yet lets just padjak all the way. very healthy pa.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that although it passed the emission test it is already THAT environmental friendly. Those crappy jeepneys pass the emission tests & yet, they puff so much smoke. While those priuses pass the similar test & yet, you hardly see any smoke coming out from its exhaust.

likewise iba iba ang ratings nila for a given year model/vehicle type. cause if not alot of older vehicle wont pass the emission test. before yr 2000 they dont require catalytic converters, but now almost all cars has one. thats because of the stricter emission set by the gov. bawat year model may naka lagay na cap na dapat hangang ganito lang ang puwede nila ibugang carbon etc. if they go over that, they will not pass the test. newer cars spew much less pollution thats because mas maganda na sunog nila plus the help of the catalytic converter.
medyo lalayo tayo sa topic pag sinama natin ang jeepneys. gaya ng sabi ko nga there are ratings for different year model or vehicle type. sa tingin mo kung magiging strict sila at dapat pare pareho lang o standard ang emission malamang maski FX taxi wala ka na makikita sa kalye kasi bagsak sa emission.
mahirap i compara ang mag kakakaibang sasakyan specially magkakaibang taon at magkakaibang gamit.

Having zero smoke, or close than zero is still better than having the opposite of it. Take this an example, ano ba mas gusto mo ? New year na mausok or normal day na halos wala ka masinghot na mabaho ? They're both allowable, yes. But I'd think I'd take the latter for health's sake.
bro lumalayo tayo sa topic. if we want zero smoke use a bike. zero smoke, healthy lungs pa. gaya ng question ko before, dahil ba nag uusok yung montero it means pollutant na siya? or pangit na bilhin? if i remember before nga ang toyota nag ka casualties pa because of the pedal issue triggering a massive recall issue. kung ganito yung white smoke na lumalabas sa monty then i guess its really that bad. ako siguro kung may problem ang strada ko mangungulit ako sa casa na ayusin nila. minsan talaga may lumalabas na mga lemon sa isang production.
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If you have read my posts, I've said that probably it's better if Toyota wont upgrade first to VGT as some " smoke problems " is still seen on their rival which is Mitsubishi. Now, if they would upgrade in the future & experience the same problems then, I guess people would still prefer their non-VGT units as these are not really contributing to the " pollution " that we are already experiencing.

To tell you, I have not bashed old Montero's, in fact, I have even appreciated some of them since they are really comfortable compared to Fortuners. They have the same power & they offer almost the same features. Why would I go back in time & compare those two again ? It's just pointless.
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exactly!!!! its pointless to compare the fortuner to the new monty since its none vgt." I have a relative of mine who owns a Fortuner 3.0D4D, and no, it does not smoke as much as the Montero does"
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What if you wont have the chance to drive that particular vehicle ? Does that mean that you'll just shut up and not comment about it ?
I would assume that what you were saying here for buying a new vehicle right? well you can always ask sales rep to schedule you for a test drive. thats what i did before i purchase any car. i read the reviews first through magazines and forums then i go out and go to the nearest dealership and see for my self if what they claim are true or not. i really dont get the "Shut up and not comment about it" part.

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Uhm. Do you mean that these relatively new Monteros have accumulated a lot of carbon deposits already resulting to spewing a lot of smoke ?

Oh by the way, not all diesels puff black smoke when you floor it. Take the LC200 as an example.

ERR.... I did not said its the monty i was referring to the navara. "I`d take the example of the Navara that was posted at your thread ( TSCP Sub-forum ) ... it was obviously belching so much black smoke". sabi ko baka naman kasi luma na yung navara compared sa strada na kalaban niya. kaya siguro maitim yung usok eh dahil madami ng carbon deposit while yung strada baka bago lang kaya di pa ganun ka itim ang buga. as for the LC200 i dont know men.... no idea about it. well its good kung ganun man.

My point is. Why upgrade the engine when the old one is somewhat perfect ? Fast enough. Belches lesser smoke. Etc. etc.

Why can't they rather change the styling than change the engine itself to something worse ? ... or yet, improve their technology first before releasing it to the public.
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thats technology..... the only way to go is to go forward. i hope thats what toyota did before they release those luxury cars and sedans.siguro na iwasan nila yung mass recall. pero ganun naman talaga minsan may mga glitches talaga na ngyayari.
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Yes, they do. But they did solve it already. So far I have not YET, again YET, heard nor read about any 2.5L D4D problems this year.

If I'm not mistaken, the SCV problem is only evident on the older stradas. Not even on the montero & on the newer pick-ups.

as for the SCV mostly its related to poor diesel. or minsan malas malas lang talaga.
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I never said that you don't learn a lot from personal experiences, cause you do. What I am saying is, you can ALSO learn from the experiences & thoughts of others. Not just from pure personal experiences.

Bro I dont want to make this argument any longer as it is. sa akin lang its very simple. yung white smoke na nakikita sa monty eh ganun ba talaga siya ka sama? lahat ba ng monty ganun or lahat ba ng naka vgt ganun? malaki ba effect niya sa performance etc?

for me kasi possible na sa programing lang ng ECU ito. since pinalitan na nila ng turbo yung old engine nila bago din ang mapping nito. for sure sa mga next batch ng vgt dito wala na ito. dito sa south madami dami na akong nakikitang nga monty and even stradas with V at the back wala naman ako masydong na papansin na white smoke. though i can say out of 5 siguro nanakita kong monty 1 dun may puting usok na lumalabas. and yung white smoke na nakikita ko eh parang white smoke ng exhaust pag bagong bukas yung makina sa umaga. di ko yun mapapansin kung di ko lang din nabasa dito. and if ever man din na nakita ko yun at di ko nabasa dito sa tingin ko masasabi ko lang "hmm medyo mausok" thats it.

peace out.

[renzo_d10]

^ Ang haba.

Tutal ayaw mo naman pahabain yung usapan then, ok.

Wala ako sa mood para magbasa ng mahabang posts. I have other people to deal with ... mas tangang tao.

Basta I made my point. Kung sagutin lang kita, uulit nanaman point ko. Walang katapusan. Basta I`ll stand by my word, and I guess you`ll do the same, to stand by your word.

[arsen]

Bro I dont want to make this argument any longer as it is. sa akin lang its very simple. yung white smoke na nakikita sa monty eh ganun ba talaga siya ka sama? lahat ba ng monty ganun or lahat ba ng naka vgt ganun? malaki ba effect niya sa performance etc?

for me kasi possible na sa programing lang ng ECU ito. since pinalitan na nila ng turbo yung old engine nila bago din ang mapping nito. for sure sa mga next batch ng vgt dito wala na ito. dito sa south madami dami na akong nakikitang nga monty and even stradas with V at the back wala naman ako masydong na papansin na white smoke. though i can say out of 5 siguro nanakita kong monty 1 dun may puting usok na lumalabas. and yung white smoke na nakikita ko eh parang white smoke ng exhaust pag bagong bukas yung makina sa umaga. di ko yun mapapansin kung di ko lang din nabasa dito. and if ever man din na nakita ko yun at di ko nabasa dito sa tingin ko masasabi ko lang "hmm medyo mausok" thats it.

peace out.

Not only the turbo sir but I think new Monty/Strada are using the second generation common rail system of Denso. The accumulator rated pressure is now 1800 bar (26,000psi). Previously ay nasa 1450/1500 (21,000psi) yata (mahirap sabin na 21,000psi "lang" yata hehehe).

Tapos yung 2nd generation is capable to fire 5sequence sa bawat piston (pilot, pre, main, post and after) unlike before na "pre" saka "main" lang.

Nasa aircon malamang ang problema. May nabasa ako dati sa monty thread na na observe nya na every 10seconds daw ang cycle ng thermostat ng manually-controlled na aircon. unlike sa auto-climate controlled na matagal ang on and off ng AC. Siguro sobrang sensitive ng temperature sensor (capillary thermostat?) ng manually operated na aircon ng GLS-V. Or dahil bago pa at di pa balot ng alikabok ang capillary tube kaya sensitive... heheh.

Malaki ang epekto kasi ng aircon sa idle. Kailangan tumaas ang idle kapag buhay ang aircon then kailangan bumaba kapag na disengage na ang clutch pully ng compressor ng aircon. Imagine na taas baba ang idle every 10seconds?

Kapag maraming beses na irregular ang idle tapos walang malaki-laking load na makakapagpa-stable sa rotation ng makina, possible na maspray ang diesel sa cylinder wall at yun ang naglilikha ng white smoke.

Pero isa rin dahilan ng white smoke ay kapag contaminated ng gasoline ang diesel.

Dapat kasi auto climate controlled na lahat ng variance ng 4D56-VGT saka dapat standard na rin ang
Idling Stop
saka meron pang
Deceleration Energy Recovery.
Ang tanong lang eh kakayanin naman kaya ng budget ng Pinoy para sa isang perfect (or almost perfect) na system?

[djoverdose]

renzo,

too bad your not in the mood to read. well anyways It'll be chicken and egg argument. its a good idea to stop.

Hmm tangang tao??? madami ba dito nun??? i hope they wont give you head aches, long reads and educated answers. hmm for sure they will not... after all tanga nga eh. Mas tanga pa pala. whehehe....

Diner is serve.... Im done with this thread....

anyways the long wait is over....the new strada is finally out.

[Starex_Gold]

Hmm tangang tao??? madami ba dito nun??? i hope they wont give you head aches, long reads and educated answers. hmm for sure they will not... after all tanga nga eh. Mas tanga pa pala. whehehe....

Marami-rami na sila sir

[djoverdose]

Not only the turbo sir but I think new Monty/Strada are using the second generation common rail system of Denso. The accumulator rated pressure is now 1800 bar (26,000psi). Previously ay nasa 1450/1500 (21,000psi) yata (mahirap sabin na 21,000psi "lang" yata hehehe).

Tapos yung 2nd generation is capable to fire 5sequence sa bawat piston (pilot, pre, main, post and after) unlike before na "pre" saka "main" lang.

Nasa aircon malamang ang problema. May nabasa ako dati sa monty thread na na observe nya na every 10seconds daw ang cycle ng thermostat ng manually-controlled na aircon. unlike sa auto-climate controlled na matagal ang on and off ng AC. Siguro sobrang sensitive ng temperature sensor (capillary thermostat?) ng manually operated na aircon ng GLS-V. Or dahil bago pa at di pa balot ng alikabok ang capillary tube kaya sensitive... heheh.

Malaki ang epekto kasi ng aircon sa idle. Kailangan tumaas ang idle kapag buhay ang aircon then kailangan bumaba kapag na disengage na ang clutch pully ng compressor ng aircon. Imagine na taas baba ang idle every 10seconds?

Kapag maraming beses na irregular ang idle tapos walang malaki-laking load na makakapagpa-stable sa rotation ng makina, possible na maspray ang diesel sa cylinder wall at yun ang naglilikha ng white smoke.

Pero isa rin dahilan ng white smoke ay kapag contaminated ng gasoline ang diesel.

Dapat kasi auto climate controlled na lahat ng variance ng 4D56-VGT saka dapat standard na rin ang
Idling Stop
saka meron pang
Deceleration Energy Recovery.
Ang tanong lang eh kakayanin naman kaya ng budget ng Pinoy para sa isang perfect (or almost perfect) na system?

That i dont know.... iba narin pala ang gamit nilang CRDI. thought its the same as the first one. well thats good news...

as for the aircon, yes more or less its close to 10 sec. my strada has the manual aircon (GLX) when the compressor engages your idle will go to 1,000RPM then after 10+++sec shuts off Idle goes down to 850-900RPM.

i forgot where i read it. it has something to do with the cylinder plus the spray of diesel... really forgot yung explanation but the white smoke is like a steam lang daw na ng gagaling sa loob ng cylinder because of excess diesel na hindi na gamit. pag tama nito sa cylinder wall since mainit yun at malamig ang diesel nag cacause sila ng steam. something like that....

im no engr so mahirap mag assume. pero come to think of it dapat nga wala ng ganung problem since computer controlled na ang injection nito.

but over all i can say malakas sila!!!!!

[djoverdose]

Marami-rami na sila sir

wahehehe

[renzo_d10]

renzo,

too bad your not in the mood to read. well anyways It'll be chicken and egg argument. its a good idea to stop.

Hmm tangang tao??? madami ba dito nun??? i hope they wont give you head aches, long reads and educated answers. hmm for sure they will not... after all tanga nga eh. Mas tanga pa pala. whehehe....

Diner is serve.... Im done with this thread....

anyways the long wait is over....the new strada is finally out.

Marami .... :hysterical:

Kung long reads & educated answers, hindi sakit ng ulo yun. Hahaha. Informative nga eh. & yung mga post ng mga KSP na tao eh usually parang hindi pinagisipan.

[eljo3025]

I have other people to deal with ... mas tangang tao.

To djoverjose, pagbigyan mo na yung mga taong dumi-deal sa mga mas tangang tao all day. :hysterical:

Wala kasi silang work at pambili ng kotse so forums na ang buhay nila mang-away ng tao. Kaya tignan mo pagkahaba-haba makipag-argue kasi they have all the time they need. :D

Some people are just bitter, that people can afford BRAND NEW Montero Sports so when they see a flaw they make it a big deal out of it.

Basta ko value for money ang Montero Sport. That's it. Bahala na ang owners at Mitsubishi to fix the white smoke problem in the future check-ups.

[Walter]

If I'm not mistaken, the SCV problem is only evident on the older stradas. Not even on the montero & on the newer pick-ups.

Got a 2010 Strada GLS Sport AT, still has SCV issues.

[renzo_d10]

^ I`m referring to the VGT variants sir.

[locoroco777]

wala pa naman kasing ganong may ari ng VGT kaya inde pa natin masasabi saka kung meron man nakakuha I'm very much sure na wala paring makakapag sabi dahil ang average km reading ng SCV failure is 10k kms above as far as my memory can remember....and IIRC 2 or 3 lang ang alam kong nadale ng less than 10k and all of those cases were cause by dirty fuel according to their respective dealerships....which IMO is believable because the accumulation of dirt is really fast considering its low mileage....

[djoverdose]

To djoverjose, pagbigyan mo na yung mga taong dumi-deal sa mga mas tangang tao all day. :hysterical:

Wala kasi silang work at pambili ng kotse so forums na ang buhay nila mang-away ng tao. Kaya tignan mo pagkahaba-haba makipag-argue kasi they have all the time they need. :D

Some people are just bitter, that people can afford BRAND NEW Montero Sports so when they see a flaw they make it a big deal out of it.

Basta ko value for money ang Montero Sport. That's it. Bahala na ang owners at Mitsubishi to fix the white smoke problem in the future check-ups.

Boom.....hahahaha... come to think of it you have a point. its a shame. typical pinoy mentality.

I really agree that the montero and strada are truly value for money. should i say Bang for the buck. likewise almost all vehicles has its pros and cons. i remember before i bought my pick up was deciding between ford ranger XLT and Mistu strada GLX. while both are 4x2 ones offer better like the ford had abs and LSD as standard while the strada has none but had a bigger rotor so i said its enough besides i wont drive that fast like in a sedan. but the thing that made me bought one was the bedliners, bumpers, running board and the back seat. the rest of the pick up are priced 1M+ pero di pa free ang mga ito. though sabi ko nga yung ford well priced na kaso resale value, parts availablity, and yung back seat eh ito yung nag turn down sa akin...

oh well na dederail na yung topic.... sana bumaba na ang unemployment rate dito sa atin para every body is happy.

[djoverdose]

I agree with you LR777... wala pa naman nga masyadong may ari ng bagong montero at strada na naka vgt. kaya masasabi mo talaga na wala pa may problem.

Isa pa hindi naman lahat nag Tsitsikot.com at nag popost ng mga nabili nilang auto at problema sa auto nila.

sabagay malamang wala gaano bibili nun because of the white smoke.

[eljo3025]

If there was really a problem with the exhaust it should have been on the news and not just in forums. Isolated case siguro meron sa forumers pero we couldn't guarantee that every MS is affected. :D