New strada worth waiting for?

[cheng95]

[quote=renzo_d10;1732726]

Cause on Hyundai's case when they upgraded their units to R-eVGT owners didn't experience this kind of ... " problems "
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Hyundai didn't only upgrade their turbo charger from VGT to eVGT but also the fuel injector from a normal solenoid to piezo injector and at the same time they used different control chips for the new eVGT engines.

[ianmitsulancer]

beni : okay lang, sana lang huwag kasama yung hood decal at rear bumpers. :hysterical: pangit e.

hehehe... trust me, the decal and bumpers depicted are probably not-so-liked by MMPC product planners... and neither do I.




personally i still have to see a VGTarian Strada myself and observe if it is smokey!

[tc327]

hehehe... trust me, the decal and bumpers depicted are probably not-so-liked by MMPC product planners... and neither do I.




personally i still have to see a VGTarian Strada myself and observe if it is smokey!

sir Ian di ba may mga lumabas VGT na wala pa bang nagpost sa tsikot na mausok din yung sa Strada na VGTarian sana hindi hehehe

[renzo_d10]

Hyundai didn't only upgrade their turbo charger from VGT to eVGT but also the fuel injector from a normal solenoid to piezo injector and at the same time they used different control chips for the new eVGT engines.

Eh di dapat ganun din gawin ng MMPC.

sir Ian di ba may mga lumabas VGT na wala pa bang nagpost sa tsikot na mausok din yung sa Strada na VGTarian sana hindi hehehe

Sana nga wala. I really like the Strada, lalo na yung TOTL. Kaya medyo nakakadisappoint IF maguusok siya.

Pero yung Montero kasi,.. hehe, di ko trip eh. Sorry sir TC ! :hiya:

*ian : Sana nga bro ! Sana nga. :pope:

[Ry_Tower]

new Facia of Sportero(Strada) sa UAE

Old style yung rear bumper pero mas matibay yan. Mabigat nga lang. Personally, hindi bumagay, mas ok yung dati. :0

Pero ganda nung decals niya ah, interesting to see what ther color combination they would do for the different car color.

[renzo_d10]

yun nga eh. old style kaya di bumagay. mas maganda pa yung rear bumpers na kinakabit ng TACP. hehehehe. yung itim na steel.

[migs0624]

Got a non-VGT Montero and a VGT Strada.

Mas mausok pa Montero namen, and no, hindi siya mausok even at full throttle.
Then again, 1K+ kms palang yung unit.

[renzo_d10]

yun nga eh. old style kaya di bumagay. mas maganda pa yung rear bumpers na kinakabit ng TACP. hehehehe. yung itim na steel.

Typo ....

*TSCP

*migs : Ohoi. Collector sir ah !

[djoverdose]

Cause Toyota feels that their D4D is already enough.

Actually, they almost perfected it already. They have already fixed up the flaw that was seen on the previous 2.5L D4D units. Kaya they think that this is already okay.

Frankly, for me I support them. Cause some other brands, namely the Mitsubishi Montero, yes they upgraded to the new VGT technology already but what are you seeing on their TOTL variants ? Smoke. Smoke. Smoke. Heck, even at idle it releases so much smoke.

If ever Toyota will take on the next step and upgrade to VGT and will have the same outcome then by all means I`d still go to their old engine which is more " green " ....

I`m just hoping though that the VGT strada won't be the same.

Cause on Hyundai's case when they upgraded their units to R-eVGT owners didn't experience this kind of ... " problems "

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Hey, Montero owners. Don't be mad at me. What I'm saying is the TRUTH. If Mitsubishi will just " tweak " their technology to be as green and as fast as the R-eVGT Sta. Fe's & Tucson then .. it will be much closer to perfection. ;)

Sir was just wondering... been reading the thread from quite sometime now. are you an engr working for toyota or hyundai? feels like you know alot about their line up specially their technology. if ever what do you think is the reason why the new montero spew out white smoke? also what made you said its not green? i guess all of this vehicles passed the emission test with fly colors even if they do spew white smoke. also if im not mistaken the only thing they change was the turbo. the whole platform is still the same from the previous models.

was just skeptical on how you base your assumptions regarding the "being GREEN" are these came from personal experience with the sta fe/tucson/hilux/fortuner/montero/strada? i mean whats the basis sir?

thank you.

[tc327]

Got a non-VGT Montero and a VGT Strada.

Mas mausok pa Montero namen, and no, hindi siya mausok even at full throttle.
Then again, 1K+ kms palang yung unit.

sir migs talaga ha di pareho sa new Montero planning to get the vgt too eh naka hold muna kasi nga sa issue hehehe

[renzo_d10]

Sir was just wondering... been reading the thread from quite sometime now. are you an engr working for toyota or hyundai? feels like you know alot about their line up specially their technology. if ever what do you think is the reason why the new montero spew out white smoke? also what made you said its not green? i guess all of this vehicles passed the emission test with fly colors even if they do spew white smoke. also if im not mistaken the only thing they change was the turbo. the whole platform is still the same from the previous models.

was just skeptical on how you base your assumptions regarding the "being GREEN" are these came from personal experience with the sta fe/tucson/hilux/fortuner/montero/strada? i mean whats the basis sir?

thank you.

Hi sir. I'm, in any ways, not connected with any car makers. Probably it's just that I'm aware of the current technology that they are using, simply put ... i'm a bit knowledgeable regarding them.

A bit because I have no idea why does the new Montero, particularly their TOTL units smoke so much even at idle while their Strada VGT counterparts & their base models don't.

Green, meaning, environmental friendly. Sure it did pass any emission tests but still, a simple puff of smoke can make a difference. During cold start I can accept, but even at normal temperatures ? Then that's something I think Mitsubishi should look into.

I base my assumptions on comparing the same vehicles on similar segments by reading owner's reviews & thoughts. Then I tie them up together and end with a mere conclusion than a fact. I have a relative of mine who owns a Fortuner 3.0D4D, and no, it does not smoke as much as the Montero does. I have friends who own similar units, and they stated the same. No white smoke on their Fortuner units. Also ... I observe whenever I go out on a daily basis.

I`d take the example of the Navara that was posted at your thread [SIZE=1]( TSCP Sub-forum )[/SIZE] ... it was obviously belching so much black smoke, yet some people claimed that it was just on full throttle. I say on the other hand that it's bullshit. Why ? The Strada that was beside the Navara wasn't belching smoke even it's on full throttle. Funny isn't it. Two pick-ups on the same segment go head to head at SLEX ( IIRC ) and one of them belches smoke while one don't. Observation is the key, sir.

I never saw any Santa Fe or Tucson belch smoke, even at idle, they don't. The only " flaw " or " complaint " that I got from the owners were the moist accumulating on their headlights ( - that's on the early Santa Fe units ) & the particular suspension problem on the lower Tucson iX variants, but its not evident on the TOTL which is the Premium iX.

There's no perfect car, I believe in that. Even the Strada has a particular recurring problem. SCV isn't it ?

It's just a matter of picking what kind of poison or hassle you would want to go through. Yes, you may have a fast SUV but then, does the other SUV at your side emit so much smoke as you do ? You may have gotten a bang-for-the-buck SUV but does its cons as major as what other SUVs have ? These are the questions you should ask yourselves before buying a car or after purchasing a car. Don't look at the positiveness it all has because for sure it has lots, if it didn't then you shouldn't have bought that car on the first place. Try to look at the negative side and learn on how to fix this & that. Try to learn on why does this do this. Or why did this happen. Things like that.

And no ... you don't learn everything on pure personal experiences. You will also need in the future the shared knowledge that you got from others.

[[archie]]

Sir was just wondering... been reading the thread from quite sometime now. are you an engr working for toyota or hyundai? feels like you know alot about their line up specially their technology. if ever what do you think is the reason why the new montero spew out white smoke? also what made you said its not green? i guess all of this vehicles passed the emission test with fly colors even if they do spew white smoke. also if im not mistaken the only thing they change was the turbo. the whole platform is still the same from the previous models.

was just skeptical on how you base your assumptions regarding the "being GREEN" are these came from personal experience with the sta fe/tucson/hilux/fortuner/montero/strada? i mean whats the basis sir?

thank you.

im with you bro...

[migs0624]

sir migs talaga ha di pareho sa new Montero planning to get the vgt too eh naka hold muna kasi nga sa issue hehehe

Yup sir TC, sarap pa dun sa VGT strada yung turbo lage nag-sspool as early as 1200 rpm. Dun sa montero lumalabas ata 2500 palang eh. But anyway, hindi mausok and satisfied ako. Kuha na!

* sir renzo: Kay utol yung strada. Hehe.

[tc327]

Yup sir TC, sarap pa dun sa VGT strada yung turbo lage nag-sspool as early as 1200 rpm. Dun sa montero lumalabas ata 2500 palang eh. But anyway, hindi mausok and satisfied ako. Kuha na!

* sir renzo: Kay utol yung strada. Hehe.

Dakal salamat Miigs

[locoroco777]

Hi sir. I'm, in any ways, not connected with any car makers. Probably it's just that I'm aware of the current technology that they are using, simply put ... i'm a bit knowledgeable regarding them.

A bit because I have no idea why does the new Montero, particularly their TOTL units smoke so much even at idle while their Strada VGT counterparts & their base models don't.

Green, meaning, environmental friendly. Sure it did pass any emission tests but still, a simple puff of smoke can make a difference. During cold start I can accept, but even at normal temperatures ? Then that's something I think Mitsubishi should look into.

I base my assumptions on comparing the same vehicles on similar segments by reading owner's reviews & thoughts. Then I tie them up together and end with a mere conclusion than a fact. I have a relative of mine who owns a Fortuner 3.0D4D, and no, it does not smoke as much as the Montero does. I have friends who own similar units, and they stated the same. No white smoke on their Fortuner units. Also ... I observe whenever I go out on a daily basis.

I`d take the example of the Navara that was posted at your thread [SIZE=1]( TSCP Sub-forum )[/SIZE] ... it was obviously belching so much black smoke, yet some people claimed that it was just on full throttle. I say on the other hand that it's bullshit. Why ? The Strada that was beside the Navara wasn't belching smoke even it's on full throttle. Funny isn't it. Two pick-ups on the same segment go head to head at SLEX ( IIRC ) and one of them belches smoke while one don't. Observation is the key, sir.

I never saw any Santa Fe or Tucson belch smoke, even at idle, they don't. The only " flaw " or " complaint " that I got from the owners were the moist accumulating on their headlights ( - that's on the early Santa Fe units ) & the particular suspension problem on the lower Tucson iX variants, but its not evident on the TOTL which is the Premium iX.

There's no perfect car, I believe in that. Even the Strada has a particular recurring problem. SCV isn't it ?

It's just a matter of picking what kind of poison or hassle you would want to go through. Yes, you may have a fast SUV but then, does the other SUV at your side emit so much smoke as you do ? You may have gotten a bang-for-the-buck SUV but does its cons as major as what other SUVs have ? These are the questions you should ask yourselves before buying a car or after purchasing a car. Don't look at the positiveness it all has because for sure it has lots, if it didn't then you shouldn't have bought that car on the first place. Try to look at the negative side and learn on how to fix this & that. Try to learn on why does this do this. Or why did this happen. Things like that.

And no ... you don't learn everything on pure personal experiences. You will also need in the future the shared knowledge that you got from others.

Worth it read bro....atleast you clarify points with doc dj ...


Unlike yung sa "Owner" na jeep pala....todo effort ka sa pagtype pero inde clinarify nung nagtatanong hehehe.....

[djoverdose]

[quote=renzo_d10;1732726][COLOR=SeaGreen]

Hi sir. I'm, in any ways, not connected with any car makers. Probably it's just that I'm aware of the current technology that they are using, simply put ... i'm a bit knowledgeable regarding them.

A bit because I have no idea why does the new Montero, particularly their TOTL units smoke so much even at idle while their Strada VGT counterparts & their base models don't.
yeah i do agree with you that some newer montero does spew white smoke but i can say that its not that bad. you will only notice it if you really take a closer look at it. plus does this smoke really that bad? i mean does this affect one's overall performance? for me as long as it passes smoke emission then your good to go. you are helping mother nature by not polluting the metro.

Green, meaning, environmental friendly. Sure it did pass any emission tests but still, a simple puff of smoke can make a difference. During cold start I can accept, but even at normal temperatures ? Then that's something I think Mitsubishi should look into. then again if it passes the emission test weather it puff smoke then your good. Isnt it? so whats the fuzz?

I base my assumptions on comparing the same vehicles on similar segments by reading owner's reviews & thoughts. Then I tie them up together and end with a mere conclusion than a fact. I have a relative of mine who owns a Fortuner 3.0D4D, and no, it does not smoke as much as the Montero does. I have friends who own similar units, and they stated the same. No white smoke on their Fortuner units. Also ... I observe whenever I go out on a daily basis.

Well you are like comparing apples to orange. first of all the fortuner is non VGT. so its abit bias to compare it to the new montero which uses a VGT. i guess it is more proper if you compare the fortuner to the old montero. both of them dont spew white smoke even at idle.

also reviews are there for us to help us decide if what we fancy are a great buy or not. but assuming something based on reviews is a different thing. it is much better if we have a hands on experience before giving feedbacks on the subject matter. if not it'll just look like a hearsay. because what if you read the review differently as to what it really said?


I`d take the example of the Navara that was posted at your thread [SIZE=1]( TSCP Sub-forum )[/SIZE] ... it was obviously belching so much black smoke, yet some people claimed that it was just on full throttle. I say on the other hand that it's bullshit. Why ? The Strada that was beside the Navara wasn't belching smoke even it's on full throttle. Funny isn't it. Two pick-ups on the same segment go head to head at SLEX ( IIRC ) and one of them belches smoke while one don't. Observation is the key, sir.

Well maybe the navara was a year or two older than the strada or maybe the navara has a poor servicing and had alot of carbon deposit already on its tail pipe thats why on full throttle it spew black smoke, while possibly the strada was just recently purchased with just a few clicks on its odometer? because right now i occasionally see black smoke when i over rev my strada. when i changed my stock exhaust i saw that it has already accumulated some carbon on the inside walls of the exhaust. my truck has only 10,000KM total.

like what you said Observation is the key, Sir. and these are my personal observations. Lastly its a diesel... what would you expect? even my sister inlaw tucson(diesel) spew black smoke when you floor it.


I never saw any Santa Fe or Tucson belch smoke, even at idle, they don't. The only " flaw " or " complaint " that I got from the owners were the moist accumulating on their headlights ( - that's on the early Santa Fe units ) & the particular suspension problem on the lower Tucson iX variants, but its not evident on the TOTL which is the Premium iX.
Well comparing them to other SUV may it be fortuner or montero, i can say that they are still on the advantage. simply put that hyundai uses newer engine compare with the mitsus 4d56 and the toyotas d4d which i guess is already 5 or 6 years old right now.

so it would be a shame if it will not out perform to the competition. i for one is very keen on getting a hyundai specifically the accent. though my first choice was the Jazz simply because of its styling and fuel economy. not to mention its a honda. but seing the accent with GDI engine, changes everything. GDI is becoming the new trend in the petrol engines. im just waiting to have a test drive and have a feel. if the test drive will go out well for me i would not have any second thoughts. I will be a convert!


There's no perfect car, I believe in that. Even the Strada has a particular recurring problem. SCV isn't it ?
arent the d4d has their gremlins too? even the dmax's had some SCV problems too. not all strada/montero had this problem. you will not see alot of them on the streets if its a recurring problem. had a friend who owns a 4 yr old montero and not had any problem with it. my sister in law has a monty too and never had any problem with scv. they are not very particular with diesel. they just fill up anywhere they want.

like what you said theres no perfect car because the one who made them is not perfect too.

It's just a matter of picking what kind of poison or hassle you would want to go through. Yes, you may have a fast SUV but then, does the other SUV at your side emit so much smoke as you do ? You may have gotten a bang-for-the-buck SUV but does its cons as major as what other SUVs have ? These are the questions you should ask yourselves before buying a car or after purchasing a car. Don't look at the positiveness it all has because for sure it has lots, if it didn't then you shouldn't have bought that car on the first place. Try to look at the negative side and learn on how to fix this & that. Try to learn on why does this do this. Or why did this happen. Things like that.

well that says it all... "bang for the buck" you would not buy it if its not bang for the buck. usually you would not complain about it since like wise its "bang for the buck".

for me these are some of the questions i would ask my self before buying a car
*Price
*what would be its sole purpose(this is very important for me)
*fuel economy
*resale value
*most bang for the buck on the whole line up.



And no ... you don't learn everything on pure personal experiences. You will also need in the future the shared knowledge that you got from others.
I beg to disagree. you learn alot from personal experiences. I believe these are the things you cant buy....
just speaking out aloud bro.
peace out.

DJ

[Doc818]

What's the Strada's SCV problem?

[tc327]

What's the Strada's SCV problem?

AFAIK SCV problem mostly cause by dirty diesel

[renzo_d10]

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yeah i do agree with you that some newer montero does spew white smoke but i can say that its not that bad. you will only notice it if you really take a closer look at it. plus does this smoke really that bad? i mean does this affect one's overall performance? for me as long as it passes smoke emission then your good to go. you are helping mother nature by not polluting the metro.

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[SIZE=2]If you only take a closer look ? Not really. In the 2011 Montero thread, there was a video posted by an owner who was complaining about the excessive smoke that his Montero was releasing. And he was several feet away from his vehicle, and from that POV the smoke is still seen.

Also, there was another video that was posted on the similar thread wherein the " cam car " was following a Montero VGT and the smoke is still seen/evident. And on my book, that's not something you see regularly. The first Montero was stationary while the second one was driving in a village so it's kind of obvious that he was not really flooring it.
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[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=1]then again if it passes the emission test weather it puff smoke then your good. Isnt it? so whats the fuzz? [/SIZE]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that although it passed the emission test it is already THAT environmental friendly. Those crappy jeepneys pass the emission tests & yet, they puff so much smoke. While those priuses pass the similar test & yet, you hardly see any smoke coming out from its exhaust.

Having zero smoke, or close than zero is still better than having the opposite of it. Take this an example, ano ba mas gusto mo ? New year na mausok or normal day na halos wala ka masinghot na mabaho ? They're both allowable, yes. But I'd think I'd take the latter for health's sake.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]Well you are like comparing apples to orange. first of all the fortuner is non VGT. so its abit bias to compare it to the new montero which uses a VGT. i guess it is more proper if you compare the fortuner to the old montero. both of them dont spew white smoke even at idle.

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If you have read my posts, I've said that probably it's better if Toyota wont upgrade first to VGT as some " smoke problems " is still seen on their rival which is Mitsubishi. Now, if they would upgrade in the future & experience the same problems then, I guess people would still prefer their non-VGT units as these are not really contributing to the " pollution " that we are already experiencing.

To tell you, I have not bashed old Montero's, in fact, I have even appreciated some of them since they are really comfortable compared to Fortuners. They have the same power & they offer almost the same features. Why would I go back in time & compare those two again ? It's just pointless.
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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]also reviews are there for us to help us decide if what we fancy are a great buy or not. but assuming something based on reviews is a different thing. it is much better if we have a hands on experience before giving feedbacks on the subject matter. if not it'll just look like a hearsay. because what if you read the review differently as to what it really said?

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What if you wont have the chance to drive that particular vehicle ? Does that mean that you'll just shut up and not comment about it ?

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]Well maybe the navara was a year or two older than the strada or maybe the navara has a poor servicing and had alot of carbon deposit already on its tail pipe thats why on full throttle it spew black smoke, while possibly the strada was just recently purchased with just a few clicks on its odometer? because right now i occasionally see black smoke when i over rev my strada. when i changed my stock exhaust i saw that it has already accumulated some carbon on the inside walls of the exhaust. my truck has only 10,000KM total.

like what you said Observation is the key, Sir. and these are my personal observations. Lastly its a diesel... what would you expect? even my sister inlaw tucson(diesel) spew black smoke when you floor it.

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Uhm. Do you mean that these relatively new Monteros have accumulated a lot of carbon deposits already resulting to spewing a lot of smoke ?

Oh by the way, not all diesels puff black smoke when you floor it. Take the LC200 as an example.

[SIZE=1]Well comparing them to other SUV may it be fortuner or montero, i can say that they are still on the advantage. simply put that hyundai uses newer engine compare with the mitsus 4d56 and the toyotas d4d which i guess is already 5 or 6 years old right now.[/SIZE]

My point is. Why upgrade the engine when the old one is somewhat perfect ? Fast enough. Belches lesser smoke. Etc. etc.

Why can't they rather change the styling than change the engine itself to something worse ? ... or yet, improve their technology first before releasing it to the public.
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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]arent the d4d has their gremlins too? even the dmax's had some SCV problems too. not all strada/montero had this problem. you will not see alot of them on the streets if its a recurring problem. had a friend who owns a 4 yr old montero and not had any problem with it. my sister in law has a monty too and never had any problem with scv. they are not very particular with diesel. they just fill up anywhere they want.

like what you said theres no perfect car because the one who made them is not perfect too.[/SIZE][SIZE=1]

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Yes, they do. But they did solve it already. So far I have not YET, again YET, heard nor read about any 2.5L D4D problems this year.

If I'm not mistaken, the SCV problem is only evident on the older stradas. Not even on the montero & on the newer pick-ups.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=1]I beg to disagree. you learn alot from personal experiences. I believe these are the things you cant buy....
just speaking out aloud bro.
peace out.

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I never said that you don't learn a lot from personal experiences, cause you do. What I am saying is, you can ALSO learn from the experiences & thoughts of others. Not just from pure personal experiences.

[Doc818]

So much smoke in this thread, someone open the window