Honda or Toyota?..

[_Cathy_]

Parang may rants ka before dun sa 11th gen mo ata yun? He he he


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Yes marami but Toyota resolved everything. They even approved my warranty appeal, almost 2 YEARS after my warranty expired Minalas lang talaga ako sa unit ko, kaya lesson learned to wait at least 1 yr to get a new model.

[travajante]

Depende naman kase sa piyesa yan, wala sa casa malamang sa planta meron. Tulog kase ang pera if mag over stock ang casa ng piyesa unless fast moving yung piyesa na yun.


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+1. From experience, it's common to have to wait for parts, even for Toyota, unless they were consumables or known wear items.

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[_Qwerty_]

in terms of PMS sa Honda ako.. 2x a year lang vs Toyota's 4x a year.. sobrang dami pa nag pa pa PMS sa Toyota.. in terms of cost nang PMS.. halos pareho lang.. if you know what to include and what NOT to include in the PMS.. pareho lang mga SA nila.. they will try to screw you by adding stuff sa PMS..

[benchph1]

Most of my supervisors, naka-Vios. They've been running for hundreds of thousands of kilometers over the past 10 years and are still able to run at triple digit speeds covering hundreds of kilometers per day. Parts are abundant and are easily repairable compared to our other cars in the fleet (Mirage, Tata, etc).



That's why the Vios is regarded highly in terms of reliability and ease of maintenance.

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No its not Toyota’s reliability. Its the power of banana. [emoji16]


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[uls]

driver: nagugutom ako

passenger: eto saging

driver: ngek

passenger: eto oh (holds banana to driver's face)

driver: akin na nga yan!

[CVT]

Naalala ko lang,- first gen Honda Jazz,- nawala ang busina after a few weeks,- defective meep-meep horn.... isa lang piyesa ang stock na busina

Honda acknowledged that they're replacing it under warranty, but we have to wait for 2 months for the parts...

Nakn*ngt3t3ng na iyan,- busina lang dalawang buwan???...

Pinalitan na lang namin ng maayos na busina... The hell with the electrical warranty...

And then the CVT fluid issue - unit was recalled after 2 years,- and the CVT issue itself...

Oh well..... "Prestige Car"....

[Egan101]

Naalala ko lang,- first gen Honda Jazz,- nawala ang busina after a few weeks,- defective meep-meep horn.... isa lang piyesa ang stock na busina

Honda acknowledged that they're replacing it under warranty, but we have to wait for 2 months for the parts...

Nakn*ngt3t3ng na iyan,- busina lang dalawang buwan???...

Pinalitan na lang namin ng maayos na busina... The hell with the electrical warranty...

And then the CVT fluid issue - unit was recalled after 2 years,- and the CVT issue itself...

Oh well..... "Prestige Car"....

Nadali ka ba sa "prestige" marketing, bossing? Hehehe

[benchph1]

Naalala ko lang,- first gen Honda Jazz,- nawala ang busina after a few weeks,- defective meep-meep horn.... isa lang piyesa ang stock na busina

Honda acknowledged that they're replacing it under warranty, but we have to wait for 2 months for the parts...

Nakn*ngt3t3ng na iyan,- busina lang dalawang buwan???...

Pinalitan na lang namin ng maayos na busina... The hell with the electrical warranty...

And then the CVT fluid issue - unit was recalled after 2 years,- and the CVT issue itself...

Oh well..... "Prestige Car"....

Oh yes that dreaded CVT from the GD jazz/city. Kaya nag-conventional automatic sila sa next generation. (GE)

Pero syempre hindi sila aamin na may problema. Pikit mata lang .[emoji848]


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[CVT]

Nadali ka ba sa "prestige" marketing, bossing? Hehehe

Hindi pa rin bro.,- binili pa rin namin ang next gen na City,- pero conventional 5AT na..... Iyon na ang huli namin from Honda so far....

Kaya nga hindi ako makapaniwala riyan kay bro.shadow... Sa dami ng sinabi niya vs. Honda,- "prestige ek ek" etc,- e Honda CRV Diesel pa rin ang binili...

Toyota,- I was never a believer... Well, our Innova changed that...

[Egan101]

Hindi pa rin bro.,- binili pa rin namin ang next gen na City,- pero conventional 5AT na..... Iyon na ang huli namin from Honda so far....

Kaya nga hindi ako makapaniwala riyan kay bro.shadow... Sa dami ng sinabi niya vs. Honda,- "prestige ek ek" etc,- e Honda CRV Diesel pa rin ang binili...

Toyota,- I was never a believer... Well, our Innova changed that...

Our family only had a Toyota once - a first gen Vios which was mostly used to shuttle my wife's siblings back when they were kids. It was replaced by a 2009 City. My brother-in-law is still a loyalist with his Civic RS though its full potential not fully utilised (he has no intention to let me drive that car). I did love my old 6th gen Accord despite its quirkiness.

We could have had another Toyota now but my wife is never a fan of the Vios or Altis. She is also not a fan of the Fortuner or any of those PPVs. She did say that our next vehicle might be a Toyota and she has only two cars in mind - a Camry or an Innova.

[17Sphynx17]

Knock on Wood regarding the Honda CVT issue as we still own the 1.3 i-Dsi CVT. It still runs fine though now it is a bit thristy. Recent top of via Full tank method yielded 7.92 km/l for all city driving. A little thirstier than normal so might need to have it "honda serviced" next PMS.

Main issue with Honda (at least in our family's experience) is the high failure rate of the suspension parts after it reaches the 5 year mark. Once you have it raised on a lifter for servicing, the odds are high that once its wheels touches mother earth again, the suspension will fail. This happened to Uncle's Accord, CRV and Civic(s). While on our end it also happened with the City.

Toyota is a bit more "rock solid" in terms of durability of their wear and tear parts, but the trade off (For me at least) is the comfort or ride/handling.

We've leaned away from Toyota a bit given that they've heavily jacked up the price while offering lesser in the package when you compare them to the others in the competition (my perception after comparing).

[17Sphynx17]

Knock on Wood regarding the Honda CVT issue as we still own the 1.3 i-Dsi CVT. It still runs fine though now it is a bit thristy. Recent top of via Full tank method yielded 7.92 km/l for all city driving. A little thirstier than normal so might need to have it "honda serviced" next PMS.

Main issue with Honda (at least in our family's experience) is the high failure rate of the suspension parts after it reaches the 5 year mark. Once you have it raised on a lifter for servicing, the odds are high that once its wheels touches mother earth again, the suspension will fail. This happened to Uncle's Accord, CRV and Civic(s). While on our end it also happened with the City.

Toyota is a bit more "rock solid" in terms of durability of their wear and tear parts, but the trade off (For me at least) is the comfort or ride/handling.

We've leaned away from Toyota a bit given that they've heavily jacked up the price while offering lesser in the package when you compare them to the others in the competition (my perception after comparing).

To update, the car in question started jerking yesterday but it doesn't seem to be CVT related. Brought it to Honda and they'll check ignition coils and spark plugs. Haha!

Also, the idling of the car seems to need adjustment as well as I noticed after driving it again that it was dropping below 800rpm. I tested it out and increase the aircon fanspeed to 2 or 3 and while in a stop, the car died on me. It quickly restarted so it didn't seem like there was any other issue other than the 2 mentioned.

Jerking happened randomly while accelerating. I checked the gear it was in while in 7 speed mode and it does shift down to 1st gear by itself so it doesn't look like it is related to the transmission. But, since it was being serviced in Honda, I asked them to check the CVTF as well. They told me they advice changing every 2 years. Seems too frequent though but I let them change it as well.

[CVT]

To update, the car in question started jerking yesterday but it doesn't seem to be CVT related. Brought it to Honda and they'll check ignition coils and spark plugs. Haha!

Also, the idling of the car seems to need adjustment as well as I noticed after driving it again that it was dropping below 800rpm. I tested it out and increase the aircon fanspeed to 2 or 3 and while in a stop, the car died on me. It quickly restarted so it didn't seem like there was any other issue other than the 2 mentioned.

Jerking happened randomly while accelerating. I checked the gear it was in while in 7 speed mode and it does shift down to 1st gear by itself so it doesn't look like it is related to the transmission. But, since it was being serviced in Honda, I asked them to check the CVTF as well. They told me they advice changing every 2 years. Seems too frequent though but I let them change it as well.

Hoping it's just the sparks, 8 of them on the iDSI, and the coil bro....

The possible transmission issue was the reason why we sold our Jazz.. We love that car....

[17Sphynx17]

Hoping it's just the sparks, 8 of them on the iDSI, and the coil bro....

The possible transmission issue was the reason why we sold our Jazz.. We love that car....

So far, Honda has changed Spark Plugs (connected to jerking) and will need to fix Throttle Control (if I heard him right) to fix idling issue.

Connected to the idling issue is the aircon compressor that will need work per Honda but I told them just let me know first what those issues are but I won't have them done in Honda.

They are still diagnosing the ignition coils so they can't give me a definitive answer if it needs to be replaced.

CVT just changed CVTF but no apparent issue.

Was told there is some oil leaking through worn seals as well, both for engine oil and transmission.

So far, that's what I can update with. =)

[fredgimed]

To update, the car in question started jerking yesterday but it doesn't seem to be CVT related. Brought it to Honda and they'll check ignition coils and spark plugs. Haha!

Also, the idling of the car seems to need adjustment as well as I noticed after driving it again that it was dropping below 800rpm. I tested it out and increase the aircon fanspeed to 2 or 3 and while in a stop, the car died on me. It quickly restarted so it didn't seem like there was any other issue other than the 2 mentioned.

Jerking happened randomly while accelerating. I checked the gear it was in while in 7 speed mode and it does shift down to 1st gear by itself so it doesn't look like it is related to the transmission. But, since it was being serviced in Honda, I asked them to check the CVTF as well. They told me they advice changing every 2 years. Seems too frequent though but I let them change it as well.

Also, the idling of the car seems to need adjustment as well as I noticed after driving it again that it was dropping below 800rpm. I tested it out and increase the aircon fanspeed to 2 or 3 and while in a stop, the car died on me. It quickly restarted so it didn't seem like there was any other issue other than the 2 mentioned.



Had a 2009 CITY E, same problem of fluctuating rpm, brought it twice at honda makati, made 'adjustments' but problem persisted.Finally was able to bring it at Honda manila bay which just opened at the time. Traced the problem to throttle body control, they just cleaned it ( 1000+) bill, and it never recurred. As to the suspension quirkiness, I totally agree with you that honda suspension are somewhat crashy, at least for the CITY.But the engine, 5AT, aircon are all good as well as it is thrifty.

[benchph1]

Agree with the crashy suspension. More on “kablag” kapag deep potholes. Its an econo-car, so i dont expect that level of refinement.


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[Egan101]

Agree with the crashy suspension. More on “kablag” kapag deep potholes. Its an econo-car, so i dont expect that level of refinement.


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Yep, our 2009 City was like that. The 2009 Jazz was also the same. I prefer driving our older 2001 Accord over those other two.


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[travajante]

Yep, our 2009 City was like that. The 2009 Jazz was also the same. I prefer driving our older 2001 Accord over those other two.


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Double wishbone?[emoji4]

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[benchph1]

Jazz & city sits on the same platform.
Only the accord retained the double wishbone suspension.

Sarap nga din magka-accord. But the FC keeps pushing me back. [emoji16]


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[Egan101]

Jazz & city sits on the same platform.
Only the accord retained the double wishbone suspension.

Sarap nga din magka-accord. But the FC keeps pushing me back. [emoji16]


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Accords up to the 8th generation (2008-2012) had the double wishbone front suspension. The 9th and 10th generations already moved to the McPherson strut suspension for the front.

There is a reason why the Accord is Honda’s most praised car as it has been a consistent performer ever since.

Double wishbone?[emoji4]

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Not only the suspension of our old 6th gen but it’s the whole package. Accord platforms have good natural grip and the engine just is matched well with the chassis plus of course, the interior comfort.


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