Guide to Fuel Saving Gadgets

[Ito_Citytoto]

alam niyo ba yung Car Vortex? Natawa na lang ako nung mapanood ko tv ad.

[nugundam93]

yes, i am bored.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...y/1802932.html

[Initial-"Dito"]

Guys, does it mean that using biodiesel or gas-ethanol actually is harmful to all types of vehicle? The dollar saved may not justify the use of these mixed fuels...

[ghosthunter]

Guys, does it mean that using biodiesel or gas-ethanol actually is harmful to all types of vehicle? The dollar saved may not justify the use of these mixed fuels...

not sure about bio-diesel but ethanol-gasoline mix can accelerate the internal wear & tear of the engine. The E20 ethanol blend will cause premature wear in your engine (unless the engine is properly prepared for it), that's why only E10 blend gasoline is currently being sold at certain local gasoline stations.

[Initial-"Dito"]

not sure about bio-diesel but ethanol-gasoline mix can accelerate the internal wear & tear of the engine. The E20 ethanol blend will cause premature wear in your engine (unless the engine is properly prepared for it), that's why only E10 blend gasoline is currently being sold at certain local gasoline stations.

If that's the case, even E10 will damge our engines slowly. What's the use of buying this kind of gasoline if our engines can't take it?
I wonder if the newer models of vehicles has anticipated the use of such fuels and prepared for it?
Do you think using better motor oil helps with using e10 fuel?

[ghosthunter]

If that's the case, even E10 will damge our engines slowly.

that's my point of why NOT to use ethanol mixed gasoline in unprepared engines.

What's the use of buying this kind of gasoline if our engines can't take it?

To save precious dollars when buying foreign oil. Most people do not know the increased wear in their engines when using ethanol mixed gasoline.

I wonder if the newer models of vehicles has anticipated the use of such fuels and prepared for it?

Yup, at least ford has made the focus compatible to use the E20 blend.

Do you think using better motor oil helps with using e10 fuel?

its not the motor oil, its the parts that come in contact with the fuel itself.

[Initial-"Dito"]

that's my point of why NOT to use ethanol mixed gasoline in unprepared engines.



To save precious dollars when buying foreign oil. Most people do not know the increased wear in their engines when using ethanol mixed gasoline.



Yup, at least ford has made the focus compatible to use the E20 blend.



its not the motor oil, its the parts that come in contact with the fuel itself.

Wow, thanks bro. That was some insight there.
I wonder though if the Japanese cars like the new City & Civic have announce anything about the use of E10 blend on their engines?

Btw, in the biodiesel forum, seems like a lot of diesel users have very high and positive opinion on the use of bio diesel in the units...

[carwise]

mga sir and madam,siguro pwede ko maki sabat sa usapan nyo, with regards to device di ako masyado palo,pero kung conversion to lpg for cleaner and cheaper fuel medyo k na topic yun,kasi d2 sa europe kahit mclaren nagkakabit ng lpg kit,they have theye own brand,merc,land rovers and all the rest are on the rush to install kit to save. and with all aspect its worth it.ill bring the kit home when i come . em still employed as a diagnostic system technician with chrysler UK T.y

[ghosthunter]

mga sir and madam,siguro pwede ko maki sabat sa usapan nyo, with regards to device di ako masyado palo,pero kung conversion to lpg for cleaner and cheaper fuel medyo k na topic yun,kasi d2 sa europe kahit mclaren nagkakabit ng lpg kit,they have theye own brand,merc,land rovers and all the rest are on the rush to install kit to save. and with all aspect its worth it.ill bring the kit home when i come . em still employed as a diagnostic system technician with chrysler UK T.y

There are already some companies offering LPG conversion kits in the Philippines.

The discussion thread is here:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23236

[SNAKE V6]

If that's the case, even E10 will damge our engines slowly. What's the use of buying this kind of gasoline if our engines can't take it?
I wonder if the newer models of vehicles has anticipated the use of such fuels and prepared for it?
Do you think using better motor oil helps with using e10 fuel?

May nabasa ako merong mga old jap cars na compatible daw sa E10 like Mitsus ('89+), sa Honda mga 04 + Models ata, can't remember at what forum where they posted the article.

Regarding Khaos, nung nagpakabit ako dati, think 2 yrs ago, parang naktipid ako -1km/L minsan pero not worth the money kasi sobrang liit. Plus, niluwagan pa nung nagkabit yung throttle cable ko kaya siguro tumipid? Kaya parang diko nagustuhan ang throttle response. Binaklas ko after 2 mos. Now its a 5k paper weight.

[SNAKE V6]

http://www.fcai.com.au/ethanol.php/2.../00000005.html.

Here's a link that might help to determine if your car is compatible to ethanol mixed gasolines. This is based on Australian vehicles but halos pareho lang naman siguro.

[Odiong929]

Buti na lang nabasa ko ang thread na ito. Nagbabalak pa naman saka kaming bumili nong khaos.

[cutedoc]

http://powermagic.myffi.biz/

browse about this and comment on it, if its good i might try it, the fuel saver comes on a capsule form, myfellow rotarian is using it they attest that it does work, cost per capsule is 100 pesos, pm me if your interested=)

i might try it on our delivery trucks first, they said it was used on various cars already and so far nothing went wrong, my friends ride is xtrail

[niky]

This was discussed previously. I don't know where the thread is.

Of note:

- any impurities or additions to the fuel will most likely be cleaned out by the fuel filter. Depending on the organic composition of the fuel caps, it's possible none of it will pass through the fuel injectors, either.

- any coating on the combustion chamber is bad. That's why service centers offer carbon cleaning, to remove said coating. And no "organic" coating will survive the combustion process. That's why the carbon layer forms. Impurities and unburned gas are soon turned into a layer of carbon ash or soot on the chamber walls by the heat of combustion.

- at most, I suppose, it could include octane boosters, but I've never heard of octane boosters in solid form. If it is an octane booster, you can get the same effects (or actually, a higher octane boost) by buying good gasoline.

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Any tests on the efficiency of said fuel savers must be done by blind tests conducted over ten or so full tanks of gas. The driver of the vehicle must not know that a fuel saver is being used, or they may drive differently.

A likely testing regimen should be semi randomized, but you should do your best to ensure minimal testing condition differences. Mid-summer, heat may cause you to lose 1 km/l. Around Christmastime, you may get a boost of 1 km/l from cool temperatures and better engine operating conditions, or lose 1-2 km/l due to rain. Christmas traffic often brings fuel economy down to single digits, too.

[niky]

*cutedoc (sorry for double posting), I've reviewed the literature on the site itself, and it's apparent that mpg-caps are an octane booster.

According to this:
http://powermagic.myffi.biz/en/pdf/s...estresults.pdf

mpg-caps dissolved in gas or diesel produce no additional chemicals not already found in gasoline but do produce a 1 octane boost.

Then according to this:
http://powermagic.myffi.biz/en/pdf/report2.pdf

They tested it on 262 carburated cars. Any time a fuel economy device claims testing on carburated vehicles, be wary. It indicates that they did use the double-blind method, but then, it is very possible to produce higher fuel economy via higher octane on old engines (older engines often need high octane).

The test on fuel injected vehicles is tough to call, as there is no specification on what vehicles were used in each of these tests. But many modern vehicles also see a benefit from octane increase, and note:

The 300 units using MPG-CAPS technology produced a 10.1 % increase in MPG (red data line)went away completely as soon as the additive use was stopped.

This indicates that the effect is indeed an octane boost, for if the MPG caps did leave a layer on the combustion chamber walls, the effect should have persisted for a week or two afterwards.

It's your call, I guess. Just calculate whether the octane boost you get from the MPG caps per full tank offsets the price difference between regular unleaded and super premium. At just a price difference of 100-200 pesos or so per tank, I'd think the benefits will be minimal.

[cutedoc]

thanks for the feedback, as i see it there would be a little change however, if your the calculator type of person, then this capsule really counts even for just a few pesos...

[SNAKE V6]

If you have a large tank, mas matipid nga ng unti yung caps, pero kung maliit lang tanke, e parang di rin ganun ka advantageous..

[niky]

It's up to you. Maybe you can get an octane tester to find out if there really is an effect, first... as you can't always trust what's on the website.

Note, ha... that you're also not sure how much of a boost it will give you, even if it's legit. A lot of the octane boosters on the market don't give you much of a boost per bottle.

I normally dislike adding additives, as you're never really sure if they're safe, but if the EPA approval number checks out (I suppose you could check it online), they should be relatively harmless. Good luck!

[topgun]

this car vortex commercial is really funny
why on earth do you get a fat overweight lawyer ATTY. CARLA SUAREZ with Michelle Bayle to certify the test.

first of all she is not competent to examine a thing like car vortex she is not a mekaniko or an engineer

secondly she is NOT even a lawyer ahahhah thats the crazy part i checked with www.ibp.org.ph there is no lawyer by the name of carla suarez

besides no self respecting lawyer will endorse a product like car vortez unless actress ito o bar flunker hahahahah

[topgun]

funny stuff that car vortex that michelle bayle sells with a fat overweight jaded lawyer by the name of ATTY. CARLA SUAREZ

imagine getting a lawyer to certify that your gas saver works thats crazy!! better get a mekaniko for more credibility

secondly that carla suarez is not even a lawyer ahahah check out
www.ibp.org.ph for a complete listing of all lawyers and there is no carla suarez there hahahah