Forester 2.0 or 2.5XT?

[jjmichaels]

Get the 2.5 XT and keep it stock.

[pup2]

But the thing is... why accept the fuel consumption penalty of having an AWD rally-car...errrh... truck, if you don't have the grunt to compensate for it?

Gusto ko lang makapunta yung car ko kahit sa mga lugar/beaches na hindi 'sikat' pero nasa Luzon. I don't want to take too long going there but I'm not going 100 on rough road!

I'm kinda delaying my decision to see how luwag my budget could be pero right now, I'm kinda leaning for the 2.0 for the simple reason na pag nabagalan ako, I could still throw a couple of hundred grand at the problem.

Pero kung nakuha ko na yung 2.5, wala na akong control dun sa naforfeit ko na 500 at pati na din sa cost ng gas.

Kahit kasi may budget, it's the hard-earned kind. Not the kind na nahihingi o nakukuha lang from political capital -- kaya sa 2.0 muna siguro ako unless magkamilagro ang revenues ko in the next couple of weeks.

[Blackraven]

Obviously, you can't go wrong if you get either of both (2.0 or 2.5).

Pero if you are still concerned with FC yet still want a Japan-made Subaru that is still 100% Symmetrical AWD, yung suggestion ko ay bumili ka nalang ng Legacy.

Legacy Sedan or Legacy Station Wagon or Legacy Outback, ikaw bahala pumili. On features alone, you won't miss out on any as these vehicles are still packed with it and performance goes hand-in-hand with a lighter body (compared to Forester)

That is if you can't afford the Subie Forester but still need a Subie, the Legacy series is your best bet.

[niky]

Hmmm... if budget really is a problem, then the 2.0 is it, then.

Hey, with another 200 grand in a year or so, you can throw together a turbo kit (with new parts, at that...)... You can probably safely take it to 200 or 250 hp...

*Fozzy: Puerto? Cool! Perfect place to bring a Subbie.

[HyBrideVo]

Sorry Double post!

[HyBrideVo]

Sorry OT..

(Speedlab has the new Garrett GT28RS! It spins like it weighs nothing!

* niky: Hmmm... A GT28RS? This i gotta see.. what's their website? or do they have one?

[Fozzie Bear]

Hmmm... if budget really is a problem, then the 2.0 is it, then.

Hey, with another 200 grand in a year or so, you can throw together a turbo kit (with new parts, at that...)... You can probably safely take it to 200 or 250 hp...

*Fozzy: Puerto? Cool! Perfect place to bring a Subbie.

Thank you....yes Puerto is a cool place. I'll be back there next week hoping to get out and get muddy!
.....Any body want to buy a used Pajero 2.5 3 door. surplus to requirements now .

[niky]

Beautiful place. I've always wanted to visit my Grand-Aunt's there. Congratulations again, and welcome to tsikot, sir!

Sorry OT..



* niky: Hmmm... A GT28RS? This i gotta see.. what's their website? or do they have one?

Yup. 38k for the turbine assembly, brand new... it made me drool. Hehe... sobrang OT na ito!... here's their site:

http://www.speedlab.com.ph/news/news.htm

PM for any more questions on speed lab, or try contacting Sidney there.

[pup2]

Maraming salamat sa lahat ng nag-input! Lalo dun sa nagbigay ng speedlab website. QuezonAv lang pala!

Basically nga, the issue was 2.0 with mods or 2.5 stock eh. Out na din yung legacy kasi though it's an in-between, after we test drove, mas maganda pa ride ng forester kesa sa kanya. Ergo, forester na.

While the issue is still in doubt, the presence of speedlab can make me at peace with the 2.0 in case I choose that.

Ang tanong na lang, will my mods cost me 200 thou kung pati brakes ay ipa-upgrade? (Since acceleration lang habol ko, parang hindi appropriate ang turbo kit)

[niky]

Medyo mahal ang brake upsize. BUT: if you're not going to take the vehicle to trackdays, even just buying good pads (Bendix Metal kings) or performance pads (EBC Green Stuff) is more than enough for your car. Actually, with EBCs, even if you do go to trackdays, they'll be enough.

You can do simple mods like intake, headers, exhaust (your typical IHE), chip, etcetera for some extra response. It won't gain you much... maybe 15 hp if you keep it quiet (no ricey muffler), 15-20 if not (with a ricey muffler like mine ), but it's enough for some extra in-traffic kick. All-in-all, 50k might suffice for the IHE (all original or mandrel bent stuff) and 6k for performance brake pads pads. That's probably all the power you'll need for urban use, and more brake than you'll ever use.

[HyBrideVo]

Maraming salamat sa lahat ng nag-input! Lalo dun sa nagbigay ng speedlab website. QuezonAv lang pala!

Basically nga, the issue was 2.0 with mods or 2.5 stock eh. Out na din yung legacy kasi though it's an in-between, after we test drove, mas maganda pa ride ng forester kesa sa kanya. Ergo, forester na.

While the issue is still in doubt, the presence of speedlab can make me at peace with the 2.0 in case I choose that.

Ang tanong na lang, will my mods cost me 200 thou kung pati brakes ay ipa-upgrade? (Since acceleration lang habol ko, parang hindi appropriate ang turbo kit)

If you want to know more about Fozzies try this site

Subaru Forester Owners Forum

or this

NASIOC

very informative sites and they have some crazy N/A set ups there too so you might wanna check them out

[HyBrideVo]

Beautiful place. I've always wanted to visit my Grand-Aunt's there. Congratulations again, and welcome to tsikot, sir!



Yup. 38k for the turbine assembly, brand new... it made me drool. Hehe... sobrang OT na ito!... here's their site:

http://www.speedlab.com.ph/news/news.htm

PM for any more questions on speed lab, or try contacting Sidney there.

Niky,

They didn't have one posted on their site and i was wondering how the setup looked like.. Is it on a rex they installed the snail or is it just a one off kit they made?

[HyBrideVo]

*PUP2

BTW, Read this sticky from NASIOC very informative indeed

[niky]

It was on a shelf. Not really much to look at... almost the same as the regular Garrett beside it... but when I saw the GT28RS label, I stopped in my tracks... mukhang familiar, ah...

Sid told me to try spinning it... compared to a regular turbine, it feels like it's free-wheeling.

It's bolt on, I suppose... but I don't know if it's application specific or a universal fitting (I'm no turbo expert.)

[HyBrideVo]

It was on a shelf. Not really much to look at... almost the same as the regular Garrett beside it... but when I saw the GT28RS label, I stopped in my tracks... mukhang familiar, ah...

Sid told me to try spinning it... compared to a regular turbine, it feels like it's free-wheeling.

It's bolt on, I suppose... but I don't know if it's application specific or a universal fitting (I'm no turbo expert.)

Hmmm...It's a Ball Bearing snail that's why it spins alot faster than a thrust bearing unit..

Those wanting to use the Garrett GT series need to at least get a rotated turbo set up because it will not bolt on directly to the Exhaust Manifold..or they can get a hybrid type turbo housing that will fit directly to Subies..

This is why most Daily Driven Subies that i've seen pump out 300+ WHP use the Mitsu series turbochargers (16g, 18g, 20g) or the IHI series units rather than getting the more expensive rotated turbo setup (GT30, GT32, GT35, GT37 R's)

[kyle618]

id rather get the 2.5XT now than getting the 2.0 and modding it until it reaches 2.5XT performance level. madaming sakit sa ulo if it all goes wrong. easy on the gas pedal na lang so that gas consumption wouldnt be far from the 2.0L variant. there are a lot of differences from the 2.5XT to the 2.0 base model like the wheels... for example 16s for the 2.0 and 17s for the XT, hood scoop etc

[pup2]

Wow, thanks for the websites HybrideEVo. Sobrang haba nga ng listahan ng mods for N/A Subbies!

No, I'm not planning on modding it to XT performance. Just MT acceleration. Yung other smallish extras naman, I can really do without them (saan ko naman bubuksan yung sunroof dito sa Pinas eh lahat ng puntahan ko mausok!).

[niky]

Hmmm... just got back from a Subaru test-drive today. I can safely say this:

You're never going to need as much power as you get in the 2.5XT. :hysterical: They didn't have a 2.0 for comparison... sayang. But if it's anything like 2.0 CUVs (like the CRV and X-Trail), it'll be adequate for city use (where the torque of the boxer should help).

The 2.5XT is very muscular... lots of immediate response, despite the AT, and lots of midrange gusto. Was surprised that there wasn't more power at higher revs and speeds (it probably toasts my car to 100 km/h, but it feels exactly the same in the climb to 160), but I guess the extra weight and 4x4 systems have something to do with that... still, I don't think I'll ever look at an Accord or Camry V6 in quite the same way again.

It would be a very easy car to drive, but you're never going to use more than half-throttle, realistically, as a twitch of your foot equals half-throttle in an N/A 2.0.

Great SUV alternative at the price. Nice, airy interior. Great handling, brakes, and ride comfort (terrific rebound control). And oh, I wish all cars came with a sunroof as bombastic as on that 2.5 (it's so long that you can't open the glass all the way... it hits the edge of the roof when it's 2/3rds open!).

Frameless windows are a nice touch... but they detract a bit from the solid sound of the doors when you close them (not quite as thwump-tacularly solid as the Focus, but a match for most Japanese executive cars).

[SteveMcQueen]

I'm almost certain I'll be buying the 2.0 variant very soon. It's a departure from my previous position. For starters, I realize the 2.5's cost is quite a substantial bump from the base 2.0. You could use the 400K difference for more important things. Besides, you can always add performance mods in the future when your situation calls for it. But I guess the 2.0 will be satisfactory to meet the demands of everyday driving in the city.

Furthermore, the 2007 models of the 2.0 have now been upgraded. The head unit is now a 6 CD in-dash affair; foglamps are now standard; seats are in black fabric and water repellant; and speakers come in 6.1 mode with tweeters and a subwoofer. My guess is fuel economy will be better too. With gas prices creeping to the 40s, every bit of wise spending habits will do us a lot of good in the long run.

[pup2]

Final na! Tapos na papers! Kukunin ko na lang in 7-10 days!

Guess what? 2.5 din kinuha ko!

At the last minute kasi, tinanong ko driver namin (who did the test drive of the 2.5 with me) kung ano sa mga recent na na-drive niya ang pinakamabagal: Accord 2.0 AT, Civic 1.6 MT, City 1.5 CVT, at Starex 2.5 TDi. Sabi niya pinakamabagal daw yung acceleration ng Accord 2.0 AT. Eh kaso hindi ako sanay sa masyadong mabagal mag-accelerate. At hindi naman ako city driver. Kaya yung 2.5XT ang choice ko.

Malaki man yung diperensya sa presyo, gamundo din ang difference sa acceleration at baka maaksidente lang ako dun sa 2.0 pag nainip ako kaya pikit-matang 2.5 na lang dahil I usually drive safer and slower the faster my car runs!