COMPARO: Mid-size 4x2 AT Diesel SUV (Mu-X, TBZ, Montero, Fortuner, Everest, Sta Fe...

[andrewnathaniel]

Sir, noob question lang po. For the owners of the 102 PS Fortuners out there, paano po nasasabi nang iba (based what I've read from the other thread) na underpower yung Fort? Nararamdaman po ba talaga na underpower yun o dahil lang sa yung ibang competitors nya eh mas mataas yung given power?

Hindi pa po kasi ako nakaka-Drive nang ibang SUV (MS, TB, SF, etc.) so hindi ko po nacocompare. TIA

[JJB]

Sir, noob question lang po. For the owners of the 102 PS Fortuners out there, paano po nasasabi nang iba (based what I've read from the other thread) na underpower yung Fort? Nararamdaman po ba talaga na underpower yun o dahil lang sa yung ibang competitors nya eh mas mataas yung given power?

Hindi pa po kasi ako nakaka-Drive nang ibang SUV (MS, TB, SF, etc.) so hindi ko po nacocompare. TIA

The fortuner has good stop and go speed. Even on highways, it can reach 120-140kph & overtake with no problems.
Mararamdaman mo lang na underpowered sya if steep slopes like basement parking. Kelangan pa mag-bwelo. Kung walang bwelo, minsan hindi nya kaya akyatin and it'll roll back. Happened to me sa 1 basement parking kahit ako lang magisa nakasakay. But the usual parking ng malls, no problems naman. Mabigat din hatak when really fully-loaded though kaya pa rin umakyat ng baguio.

[jut703]

For me, the Fortuner 2.5 non-VNT has very poor flat-out acceleration. You really won't be pushed back to your seat even if you floor it. Acceleration from 60-100 (important for provincial highway overtaking) is also so-so, so you have to plan your overtaking well.

However, for most people, none of that matters because they don't drive that quickly. For normal city driving, the non-VNT Fortuner has lots of torque so even when fully loaded it doesn't feel too burdened. Getting up to 100-120 kph also isn't a problem as long as you only drive like the typical Filipino.

And that's the thing, the typical Filipino doesn't give a crap that the Fortuner has a barely adequate engine because it's still adequate for them.




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[KaiserRon]

Sir, noob question lang po. For the owners of the 102 PS Fortuners out there, paano po nasasabi nang iba (based what I've read from the other thread) na underpower yung Fort? Nararamdaman po ba talaga na underpower yun o dahil lang sa yung ibang competitors nya eh mas mataas yung given power?

Hindi pa po kasi ako nakaka-Drive nang ibang SUV (MS, TB, SF, etc.) so hindi ko po nacocompare. TIA

Like sir JJB said, coming from a standstill on a very steep incline, hirap na hirap sya. Though pag may bwelo kayang kaya naman kahit fully loaded pa yan, mabagal lang minsan.

When the Fortuner first came out, it actually has decent power considering what other manufacturers sell at that time (Crosswind, Adventure, 1st Gen Everest, Alterra). If you wanted more power, you have to go for the 3.0 engine or go for the more expensive ones(prado/pajero). It was not until Montero came out when people felt the difference in power and the flaws of the Fortuner started to show.

[GTi]

Haven't driven the Fortuner personally, though we have quite a few friends who own one. One rather lead-footed friend has a 2nd gen Fort 2.5M/T. I noticed that he'd often shift at 3000rpm to keep up the pace our old Trooper usually does at just around 2000rpm. Another friend with a 2nd gen Fort 2.5A/T on the other hand, finds his Fortuner's engine performance to be very satisfactory. Though do take note that he is a very slow driver who often preaches about enjoying the drive rather than arriving at the destination a few minutes earlier. His Fort has now clocked over 80tkms and still runs like brand new, with no issues whatsoever. From what I can observe, the Fortuner has lots of low end torque, as is common with many Toyota engines. With it's peak torque (though only 260Nm) available at just 1600rpm, this allows it peal away at stoplight duels but rapid acceleration quickly wears off as the speed climbs up, unlike the Montero (whether VGT or non-VGT) which is lifeless below 2000rpm no matter how much you floor the accelerator, but as the turbo properly kicks in it just goes and goes and goes and goes...

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[andrewnathaniel]

Wow. Thanks for the very informative inputs sir. So I guess the old Fort had a decent or adequate power when driving highways and you will just feel it was underpowered is when you drive it in steep slope.

[andrewnathaniel]

Another questions sir, *TS, sorry kung mejo OT.

Is the engine equipped with VNT compare to non-VNT/VGT, makes the engine to consume better FC or worst? TIA

[victorevolution]

gas ang fortunner namin... yes medyo underpowered siya but compared to those day(1st gen fort) as against trooper(we own) and field master - malakas na siya and fast on sprints and straight road(using petrol not diesel) sa akyatan di namin siya masyado na gamit and nalaspag- why- cause the fortunner was and currently is a burden to drive- sasakit likod mo daig pa siya ng fieldmaster when it comes to suspension.
but the fortunner was the daddy of all mid size s.e. suv(akala ko nga dati kapalit ng forruner ito- and that was a famous vehicle that prompted mitsu to build the 1stgen monty)

kaya when the monty came out, a big leap they really targeted the suspension of the fort.

to vehicle haters, either isa lang ang kaya niyong bilhin auto or wala talaga kayong pambili, dont get me wrong i love em all- imagine the times when vehicles cost a fortune and you still need to import them yourself(old pajero, old safari, tapos rhd pa, kaya pati mga trucks dati rhd)

to each his own.

[jmpet626]

Another note lang regarding my 2009 Santa Fe 4x2 AT .. Getting constant 10km per liter sa byahe ko from Project 8 to Alabang with moderate lunch time traffic papasok and light traffic sa gabi. Around 75kms back and forth. Compare this to sa Honda Jazz 1.3S Manual ko na nakaka 11km per liter na naka 16s na Mags, same route at same time of travel. Kaya I chose yung SF na lang as my daily driver dahil di nag kaka layo sa FC.

[glenn manikis]

How much is typical PMS cost and how often? Thanks for sharing bro.

1500kms. Palang natatakbo sir eh.. I dont know pa..

[tonitelaoag]

grabe ang mga paliwag nyo dito, very enlightening lahat, sarap magbasa. thanks guys

[glenn manikis]

Another thing I like sa trailblazer Ltz is the sound system... It makes me feel young again...

[playplugg]

Another questions sir, *TS, sorry kung mejo OT.

Is the engine equipped with VNT compare to non-VNT/VGT, makes the engine to consume better FC or worst? TIA

The only difference lang po sa non-VNT/non-VGT sa VNT/VGT,

yung peak torque at HP (mas mabilis lang mag-accelerate ang VNT/VGT)

kung sa FC naman, depende sa mode of driving + yung weight factor (passenger(s) or yung mga kargang gamit,), road condition (straight, uphill, downhill), driving environment (stop and go traffic + extreme idling, city driving, combined city/highway driving, pure highway driving, off-road driving)

[andrewnathaniel]

The only difference lang po sa non-VNT/non-VGT sa VNT/VGT,

yung peak torque at HP (mas mabilis lang mag-accelerate ang VNT/VGT)

kung sa FC naman, depende sa mode of driving + yung weight factor (passenger(s) or yung mga kargang gamit,), road condition (straight, uphill, downhill), driving environment (stop and go traffic + extreme idling, city driving, combined city/highway driving, pure highway driving, off-road driving)

For example sir, same driving route and same type of driving. Parehas lang magiging FC sa non-VNT at sa VNT engines?

[playplugg]

For example sir, same driving route and same type of driving. Parehas lang magiging FC sa non-VNT at sa VNT engines?

Sir andrewnathaniel,

small difference lang po ang FC between non-VGT/VNT at VGT/VNT equipped. (2-3Liters difference) pero depende pa rin sa driving style and attitude.

sa city driving, lamang ang non-VGT/VNT, kaysa sa VGT/VNT, (w/o passenger, driver only) lalo sa stop-and-go traffic.
ang advantage ng non-V, yung acceleration period nya is delay a bit, unlike sa V, unting tapak lang, accelerate agad, pero kung gitgitan sa traffic ang usapan, magiging guzzler na ang V,

kung sa highway driving naman, lamang naman ang V kaysa sa non-V, during speeding, medyo madiin ng kaunti ang pagtapak sa gas pedal or prolong upshift in high-gear (MT) ng non-V, unlike sa V, light application, to during speeding (turbo difference)
and early shift in high-gear (MT)

paano naman po kung fully loaded?! let's say, nasa 7 passengers?!

almost the same din, kung sa city driving/stop-and-go traffic, medyo mataas na ang FC ng non-V, kaysa sa V, (kailangan na bigatan ang pagtapak sa accelerator pedal, to speed up, kasi sa V naman, compensate na yung power to weight ratio, non-V na yung takbo ng V once na merong passenger/load.

sa highway driving naman,

ganun din, pareho lang...

during cruise speed in highway?!

kahit magaan pa or full load ang non-V at V, dyan na malalaman kung magpapantay yung FC?
pwede magpantay, either maging FC efficient ang non-V sa V, or si V naman ang FC efficient kaysa sa non-V

[LancerA174A]

Car: 2015 Isuzu mu-X 4x2 LS-A

City FC: 6-7 Km/L (Provincial city, almost 0 traffic)
Highway FC: 12-14 Km/L

Update ko lang po guys, according to the MID, the highest City FC I got was 8.8 Km/L. Naglalaro na lang siya sa 8. something Km/L.

[andrewnathaniel]

Sir andrewnathaniel,

small difference lang po ang FC between non-VGT/VNT at VGT/VNT equipped. (2-3Liters difference) pero depende pa rin sa driving style and attitude.

sa city driving, lamang ang non-VGT/VNT, kaysa sa VGT/VNT, (w/o passenger, driver only) lalo sa stop-and-go traffic.
ang advantage ng non-V, yung acceleration period nya is delay a bit, unlike sa V, unting tapak lang, accelerate agad, pero kung gitgitan sa traffic ang usapan, magiging guzzler na ang V,

kung sa highway driving naman, lamang naman ang V kaysa sa non-V, during speeding, medyo madiin ng kaunti ang pagtapak sa gas pedal or prolong upshift in high-gear (MT) ng non-V, unlike sa V, light application, to during speeding (turbo difference)
and early shift in high-gear (MT)

paano naman po kung fully loaded?! let's say, nasa 7 passengers?!

almost the same din, kung sa city driving/stop-and-go traffic, medyo mataas na ang FC ng non-V, kaysa sa V, (kailangan na bigatan ang pagtapak sa accelerator pedal, to speed up, kasi sa V naman, compensate na yung power to weight ratio, non-V na yung takbo ng V once na merong passenger/load.

sa highway driving naman,

ganun din, pareho lang...

during cruise speed in highway?!

kahit magaan pa or full load ang non-V at V, dyan na malalaman kung magpapantay yung FC?
pwede magpantay, either maging FC efficient ang non-V sa V, or si V naman ang FC efficient kaysa sa non-V

Thank you sir dito sa magandang explanation. Now I know. Every car, whatever type it is, had its advantages and disadvantages. Thanks ulit sir.

[andrewnathaniel]

Update ko lang po guys, according to the MID, the highest City FC I got was 8.8 Km/L. Naglalaro na lang siya sa 8. something Km/L.

Wow nice FC. Sa Fort naming, yung City FC mo eh Highway FC na namin, based sa computer. Hindi na namin nasubukan yung manual computation eh

[ano727]

I hope may makapag-share ng experience nila with Everest, Alterra, kahit Trooper (useful for 2nd hand buyers).

Thanks to all who have shared so far.

[KingReyes]

Car: 2014 Hyundai Santa Fe 4X2 AT
City FC: 8 to 10 KM/L, Active Eco turned off (Shell V-Power Nitro Diesel)
Highway FC: 13 to 16 KM/L, Active Eco turned off (Shell V-Power Nitro Diesel)
PMS: Only at 3K KMs at the moment but for 1K KMs, PMS was 6,758.97 PHP in casa

Assessment:
• Accelerates fast and with minimal effort
• Extremely low NVH up to 160 KPH; anything over that produces a slight humming sound
• Fun to drive especially on twisty roads
• Excellent FC even if Active Eco is turned off
• Decent exterior
• Soft-touch materials in interior
• Cornering lamps are helpful especially in unlit provincial roads
• Dramatic lighting effect of DRL "eyebrows"
• Adjustable steering softness; "Comfort" for heavy traffic or while parking, "Normal" for everyday use, "Sport" for expressways
• Lots of available storage, deep center console

Key Issues/Concerns:
• All seats are manually adjustable except the two-way lumbar support for driver
• Faux honeycomb material around front fog lamps and rear reflectors look cheap
• 3rd row not suitable for 5'9"-and-up passengers
• Relatively expensive; at this price range, one would expect back-up camera, headlight washers and better HU