BMW M5 or Nismo Skyline R34?

**pixelparadigm** · June 25th, 2005 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

it is more of an exception than the rule... the top 10 list of Top Gear's Power Lap (as of June 23, 2005) confirms that. only the Murcielago is AWD equipped. heck, even Porsche didn't add AWD to their GT3.

1st Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9
2nd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0
3rd Ariel Atom - 1.19.5
4th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8
5th Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9
Ford GT - 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3
Murcielago - 1.23.7
Zonda - 1.23.8

But most of them are mid-engined: an important factor for getting good balance in a car. And those cars use traction control and/or equipped with a state-of-the-art limited slip differentials. Perhaps driving a GT-R would be more forgiving and easier.

**squala** · June 28th, 2005 12:26 AM

Part of the reason why Porsche omitted 4WD in their GT models is weight saving. However, the 911 GT2 was criticized to be not as agile as its 4WD Turbo sibling despite being faster. The latter was a hell of a car, with nearly the same performance as the Gallardo but only at a fraction of its price.

Going back to the topic, BMW is continuously exerting its effort in designing flagship cars that bridge the gap between everyday luxury driving and unadulterated supercar performance and handling. The M5's only major weaknesses are fading brakes and thirst.

As for Nissan, the special 500 hp Skyline only had 20 copies, which I believe have all been sold already. And besides, an R35 successor is now in the pipeline. Whether or not this will revive the fading trend of Japanese supercars remains to be seen. The NSX will likely not be replaced anymore, but a mid-engined 500+ hp Toyota supercar and a new RX-7 might just come out.

**nugundam93** · June 28th, 2005 02:01 AM

the nismo GT-R Z-Tune is only 20 copies, and based on already used GT-Rs. what nismo did was buy 20 GT-Rs with less than 18K kms (or 20K ata) and used them as base cars. that's one "second-hand" car i wouldn't mind owning. :D

makahanap na nga muna ng 1/24 version niya from tamiya. heheheh.

**Quiller** · June 28th, 2005 02:34 AM

M5 na... like they say "fastest saloon car on the planet" nga. But i wouldn't say no to a Nismo R34 either...

**squala** · June 30th, 2005 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by nugundam93

the nismo GT-R Z-Tune is only 20 copies, and based on already used GT-Rs. what nismo did was buy 20 GT-Rs with less than 18K kms (or 20K ata) and used them as base cars. that's one "second-hand" car i wouldn't mind owning. :D

makahanap na nga muna ng 1/24 version niya from tamiya. heheheh.

Nice trivia you've got there. I never knew these special edition Skylines are 2nd-hand after all. I always thought they built 20 all-new models, just as Toyota made 3 new AE86s for the Initial D movie. Now that we know that the Nismos aren't brand-new, I suppose current R34 owners can simply have their cars tuned the same way given the cash, right?

**niky** · June 30th, 2005 04:42 PM

given a helluva lot of cash...

but then, since no other "production" car can even get close to the Z-Tune's 10-second quarter mile, I'd say it's worth every penny.

**nugundam93** · July 1st, 2005 12:14 AM

squala: true, daming cash involved diyan :D after all, most parts are GT500-spec and andaming structural load-bearing CF parts.

conservative nga 1/4 mile ng z-tune. sabi ng nismo eh 400m dash is just a small tick over 10secs. of course, they also conservatively rated it to 500hp and ~400 kg/m torque (correct me if i'm wrong sa torque figure).

**nugundam93** · July 7th, 2005 12:13 AM

SPECIFICATIONS

Base Model Skyline GT-R (BNR34) V-spec (used)
Body Color Z-tune Silver (KY0), special color for R34GT-R Z-tune only.
Engine Model RB26DETT Modified spec, "Z2" (Z-tune concept engine spec.2)
Engine Type Water-cooling in-line 6 cylinder DOHC
Bore & Stroke 87mm x 77.7mm
Compression Ratio 8.5 : 1
Displacement 2,771 cc
Max Power over 368 kw (500ps)
Max Torque over 540N.m (55kg.m)
Weight 1,600 kg

SPECIFICATION SHEET

ENGINE CYLINDER HEAD Camshaft (Z-tune Exclusive)
Metal Head Gasket
Special Combustion Chamber shape & Volume Adjustment
Enlarged Port & Grind machining
Special Relief Machining on camshaft
Exclusive Rocker cover with Z-tune special color.
CYLINDER BLOCK GT Engine Block (Strength & Rigidity Uprated)
Forged Piston (Z-tune exclusive)
GT Crank Shaft (Forged + Fillet Roll Machining)
GT Connecting Rod spec 2 ( I Shaped, SNCM Material )
Oil Pan Baffle Plate
Engine Components GT Collector Tank (special shape)
Turbo Charger (made by IHI, Exclusive for Z-tune)
Exhaust Outlet (special shape)
Exhaust Manifold specially machined to remove gap & stiffener processing.
Cooling Twin Oil Cooler (exclusive for Z-tune)
Aluminum Radiator (Cooling performance upgraded)
Intercooler (Cooling performance upgraded)
Intercooler piping
Fueling High-Flow Fuel Injector
High-Flow Fuel Pump
Engine Control ECM (exclusive for Z-tune)
Exhaust WELDINA NE-1 Titanium (Fr tube is stainless steel)
Body Shell Door Surrounding Extra Spot Welding
Others Hood Ridge Reinforcement on Front Strut Upper part
CFRP Reinforcement at Center Tunnel etc.
Suspension Shocks & Springs Damp Force Adjustable in 3 variations. Ride-Height Adjustable, SACHS Suspension basis, exclusive for Z-tune
Stabilizer Bars Spring Constant Upgraded
Bushings Less Friction Hard Rubber Bushings
Wheel LM GT4 GT500 Model Black Color 18 x 9.5J (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Tire Bridgestone POTENZA RE01R (265/35-18)
Powertrain Clutch Twinplate Clutch (COPPERMIX TWIN)
Differentials Front: Mechanical L.S.D.
Rear: Active L.S.D. * Final Gear Ratio: 3.545
ETC Control Unit (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Propeller Shaft Carbon Fiber Propeller Shaft (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Brakes Rotor & Caliper Front: 365mm dia, 2-piece, Ventilated Disc + Mono-block 6 piston Caliper
Rear: 355mm dia, 1-piece, Ventilated Disc + Forged 4 Piston Caliper
Brake Pad & Hose Z-tune Special Brake Pad + Stainless Steel Meshed Hose
Exterior Front Bumper New Design Type CFRP (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Front Under Panel CFRP (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Front Fender CFRP Blister Fender (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Side Skirt ABS Resin
Rear Spoiler Flap CFRP
Interior Steering Wheel Air-Bag Type
Seat Uprated Trim (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Door Trim Uprated Trim (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Speedometer 320km Display, White Background
MFD Version II Type

**empy** · July 7th, 2005 01:42 PM

here's something crazy - a dealership in the US is selling the #2 spot in line on ebay. take note - they are not selling the car itself,only the privilege of being the second person to buy the M5 when BMW starts shipping.

as i write this the high bid is over $30k...add to that the purchase price of about $90k for the car itself and you can be the first kid on the block with an M5.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...559971947&rd=1