BMW M5 or Nismo Skyline R34?

[mbt]

ganun ba (i mean, skyline is set-up for 0/100 torque-split until wheelspin is detected)?

well whatever, i still want one haha

[nugundam93]

mbt: hmmm, parang same nga yun. heheh. :D

[mbt]

ghosthunter,

is it correct that below that threshold at which wheelspin would occur (and on a dry track, wheelspin is more the driver's error than the car's), all-wheel-drive offers no benefits to dry-road handling? in fact, the torque split to the front tires would tend to increase understeer, while all that weight for the AWD hardware is of course a liability?

therefore, would it be right to say that the greatest advantage of AWD (in general, and on a dry road) is that it makes the car easier to drive by even novice drivers, rather than offering an absolute handling advantage in the dry?

[squala]

Part of the reason why Porsche omitted 4WD in their GT models is weight saving. However, the 911 GT2 was criticized to be not as agile as its 4WD Turbo sibling despite being faster. The latter was a hell of a car, with nearly the same performance as the Gallardo but only at a fraction of its price.

Going back to the topic, BMW is continuously exerting its effort in designing flagship cars that bridge the gap between everyday luxury driving and unadulterated supercar performance and handling. The M5's only major weaknesses are fading brakes and thirst.

As for Nissan, the special 500 hp Skyline only had 20 copies, which I believe have all been sold already. And besides, an R35 successor is now in the pipeline. Whether or not this will revive the fading trend of Japanese supercars remains to be seen. The NSX will likely not be replaced anymore, but a mid-engined 500+ hp Toyota supercar and a new RX-7 might just come out.

[nugundam93]

the nismo GT-R Z-Tune is only 20 copies, and based on already used GT-Rs. what nismo did was buy 20 GT-Rs with less than 18K kms (or 20K ata) and used them as base cars. that's one "second-hand" car i wouldn't mind owning. :D

makahanap na nga muna ng 1/24 version niya from tamiya. heheheh.

[squala]

the nismo GT-R Z-Tune is only 20 copies, and based on already used GT-Rs. what nismo did was buy 20 GT-Rs with less than 18K kms (or 20K ata) and used them as base cars. that's one "second-hand" car i wouldn't mind owning. :D

makahanap na nga muna ng 1/24 version niya from tamiya. heheheh.

Nice trivia you've got there. I never knew these special edition Skylines are 2nd-hand after all. I always thought they built 20 all-new models, just as Toyota made 3 new AE86s for the Initial D movie. Now that we know that the Nismos aren't brand-new, I suppose current R34 owners can simply have their cars tuned the same way given the cash, right?

[Quiller]

M5 na... like they say "fastest saloon car on the planet" nga. But i wouldn't say no to a Nismo R34 either...

[niky]

given a helluva lot of cash...

but then, since no other "production" car can even get close to the Z-Tune's 10-second quarter mile, I'd say it's worth every penny.

[nugundam93]

squala: true, daming cash involved diyan :D after all, most parts are GT500-spec and andaming structural load-bearing CF parts.

conservative nga 1/4 mile ng z-tune. sabi ng nismo eh 400m dash is just a small tick over 10secs. of course, they also conservatively rated it to 500hp and ~400 kg/m torque (correct me if i'm wrong sa torque figure).

[nugundam93]

SPECIFICATIONS

Base Model Skyline GT-R (BNR34) V-spec (used)
Body Color Z-tune Silver (KY0), special color for R34GT-R Z-tune only.
Engine Model RB26DETT Modified spec, "Z2" (Z-tune concept engine spec.2)
Engine Type Water-cooling in-line 6 cylinder DOHC
Bore & Stroke 87mm x 77.7mm
Compression Ratio 8.5 : 1
Displacement 2,771 cc
Max Power over 368 kw (500ps)
Max Torque over 540N.m (55kg.m)
Weight 1,600 kg



SPECIFICATION SHEET

ENGINE CYLINDER HEAD Camshaft (Z-tune Exclusive)
Metal Head Gasket
Special Combustion Chamber shape & Volume Adjustment
Enlarged Port & Grind machining
Special Relief Machining on camshaft
Exclusive Rocker cover with Z-tune special color.
CYLINDER BLOCK GT Engine Block (Strength & Rigidity Uprated)
Forged Piston (Z-tune exclusive)
GT Crank Shaft (Forged + Fillet Roll Machining)
GT Connecting Rod spec 2 ( I Shaped, SNCM Material )
Oil Pan Baffle Plate
Engine Components GT Collector Tank (special shape)
Turbo Charger (made by IHI, Exclusive for Z-tune)
Exhaust Outlet (special shape)
Exhaust Manifold specially machined to remove gap & stiffener processing.
Cooling Twin Oil Cooler (exclusive for Z-tune)
Aluminum Radiator (Cooling performance upgraded)
Intercooler (Cooling performance upgraded)
Intercooler piping
Fueling High-Flow Fuel Injector
High-Flow Fuel Pump
Engine Control ECM (exclusive for Z-tune)
Exhaust WELDINA NE-1 Titanium (Fr tube is stainless steel)
Body Shell Door Surrounding Extra Spot Welding
Others Hood Ridge Reinforcement on Front Strut Upper part
CFRP Reinforcement at Center Tunnel etc.
Suspension Shocks & Springs Damp Force Adjustable in 3 variations. Ride-Height Adjustable, SACHS Suspension basis, exclusive for Z-tune
Stabilizer Bars Spring Constant Upgraded
Bushings Less Friction Hard Rubber Bushings
Wheel LM GT4 GT500 Model Black Color 18 x 9.5J (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Tire Bridgestone POTENZA RE01R (265/35-18)
Powertrain Clutch Twinplate Clutch (COPPERMIX TWIN)
Differentials Front: Mechanical L.S.D.
Rear: Active L.S.D. * Final Gear Ratio: 3.545
ETC Control Unit (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Propeller Shaft Carbon Fiber Propeller Shaft (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Brakes Rotor & Caliper Front: 365mm dia, 2-piece, Ventilated Disc + Mono-block 6 piston Caliper
Rear: 355mm dia, 1-piece, Ventilated Disc + Forged 4 Piston Caliper
Brake Pad & Hose Z-tune Special Brake Pad + Stainless Steel Meshed Hose
Exterior Front Bumper New Design Type CFRP (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Front Under Panel CFRP (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Front Fender CFRP Blister Fender (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Side Skirt ABS Resin
Rear Spoiler Flap CFRP
Interior Steering Wheel Air-Bag Type
Seat Uprated Trim (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Door Trim Uprated Trim (Exclusive for Z-tune)
Speedometer 320km Display, White Background
MFD Version II Type

[empy]

here's something crazy - a dealership in the US is selling the #2 spot in line on ebay. take note - they are not selling the car itself,only the privilege of being the second person to buy the M5 when BMW starts shipping.

as i write this the high bid is over $30k...add to that the purchase price of about $90k for the car itself and you can be the first kid on the block with an M5.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...559971947&rd=1

[OTO]

here's something crazy - a dealership in the US is selling the #2 spot in line on ebay. take note - they are not selling the car itself,only the privilege of being the second person to buy the M5 when BMW starts shipping.

as i write this the high bid is over $30k...add to that the purchase price of about $90k for the car itself and you can be the first kid on the block with an M5.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...559971947&rd=1

IIRC the waiting list is 2 years but it appears it is easier to aquire if you live in developing nation.

[nugundam93]

hahahahahaha...dealership woes with the fortuner, anyone? ;)

[squala]

So is that M5 Euro or US Spec? I don't think it's wise to pay $120K if you can't even bring it to California.

[empy]

i am guessing it is US spec because it's a US dealer...but i guess i could be wrong.

[mbt]

whats 30k to well-heeled prospects?

[pixelparadigm]

I watched BEST MOTORing video featuring the z-tune R34, and it beat the Ferrari 360 by 2 seconds on the track. And one driver commented that the 500-hp is easy to handle with the z-tune.

[OTO]

I watched BEST MOTORing video featuring the z-tune R34, and it beat the Ferrari 360 by 2 seconds on the track. And one driver commented that the 500-hp is easy to handle with the z-tune.

You keep the Skyline & I will keep the Ferrari. ;)

news on the 2008 Nissan Skyline

http://www.printthis.clickability.co...artnerID=63682

Is it worth $70,000? That's nearly 4M in today's money.

[Dr.Kamiya]

You keep the Skyline & I will keep the Ferrari. ;)

news on the 2008 Nissan Skyline

http://www.printthis.clickability.co...artnerID=63682

Is it worth $70,000? That's nearly 4M in today's money.

The idea is that it should offer a similar driving experience to the $120,000 997 Turbo. It's the main reason you usually see a 997TT with the GTR prototype whenever they're caught testing at the N'Ring.

If it does, then that $70,000 pricetag is a bargain.

[AG4]

The idea is that it should offer a similar driving experience to the $120,000 997 Turbo. It's the main reason you usually see a 997TT with the GTR prototype whenever they're caught testing at the N'Ring.

If it does, then that $70,000 pricetag is a bargain.

I guess the rumored $94K 500+hp GT-R Evo will be the main competitor of the 911 Turbo.

The GT-R Evo is supposed to be lighter and stronger than the regular GT-R(450hp-480hp) which would probably weigh more than a 911 Turbo.

A (997)911 Turbo has a curb weight og 3494 lb.
The GT-R will be based on a variation of Nissan's updated FM platform used by the new Skyline(Infiniti G).
RWD 2008 Infiniti G37(Skyline coupe) coupe weighs 3770 lb.
RWD 2007 350Z weighs 3339 lb. (older FM platform)