BATTLE OF THE MPVs - BRV vs. Ertiga vs. Xpander vs. Rush

[jut703]

Isn't the 1.5V Modulo 1.21M in price? Sorry I haven't checked the latest price.

Yes its true that the TOTL BRV is loaded. But then again don't overlook what a base mid-size SUV can offer which the BRV cannot. Such things as higher wading depth, more solid/rigid body for safety, Road flexibility, cargo capacity, more powerful engine. This is the consideration for TOTL BRV buyers which in Indonesia was a reality. Like I said, only time will tell who will be the king of Gas MPV here in our shores. A Hype is a hype but sales will conclude.

I don't consider Modulo variants since I find them a rip-off with nothing but ricey cosmetic upgrades over the TOTL variant (in this case the 1.5V), but if that's what floats your boat, then go ahead since it's your money anyway.

I agree that there are inherent benefits of jumping from a subcompact MPV to a PPV. What I was alluding to was the consumer buying preferences of the broad buying public.

Some observations:
- Buyers of MPVs often choose the mid-level variant over the TOTL. This is true for the BRV 1.5S vs 1.5V, Avanza 1.3E vs 1.5G, Mobilio 1.5V vs 1.5RS, and so on.

- Buyers of PPVs are primarily AT buyers.

Which is why I made the remark that to jump from an MPV to a PPV, you spend roughly 1.5x the price, which is enough to get another brand new minicar or entry level subcompact, and which is why I say that most MPV buyers are not the same market as PPV buyers because of the disparity in purchasing power.

There will be unique outliers, but that's the general market insight. I confirmed this when I had a chat with one of Honda's sales managers - their clientele who opt for the CRV (same price range as PPVs) are not the same people who look at the BRV.

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[dos2]

Ang pagkaka alam ko meron ang Rush, di ko lang alam kung ang dadalhin dito meron na, kase pag nagkataon, yun lang ang ilalamang nya sa ibang MPVs.

IIRC, the cheapest Toyota with curtain airbags is the Altis/Yaris.
I wouldn't be surprised if their next wave of vehicles would have them as standard given the upcoming arrival of the Rush and the all-new Vios.

[GTcervan]

Wala ka namang punto kahit ilang beses basahin,OT ka na.
Back to reality..personally sa pagkakita ko sa dalawa, mas unique ang xpander, Rush parang chopsuey,
pinaghalo halong CR-V, Revo at Avanza. Trying hard SUV. Pero let the buyers judge them, these are all my
personal opinion.

Hays eto ka nanaman, lumilitaw yang pagka-fanboy mo pag may sinabi lang sa favorite mo dahil hindi ka lang sang-ayon. Mga tao talaga ngayon, ang sakit sa ulo.

[dos2]

Discuss pa tayo ng discuss dito kahit na deep-inside alam naman natin na eventually, Rush din ang magiging top seller sa mga ito to be followed by the Xpander then the BR-V.

[GTcervan]

Discuss pa tayo ng discuss dito kahit na deep-inside alam naman natin na eventually, Rush din ang magiging top seller sa mga ito to be followed by the Xpander then the BR-V.

Oo nga. Mukang rush parin talaga magtatagumpay diyan, kahit maging mas mahal pa ito kaysa iba.

[maxpedition]

Huwag masyado mga fanboi napaghahakataab kayo ngayon lang nagkaron ng sasakyan. [emoji23]

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[Ry_Tower]

I think the xpander will outsell the rush. Meron kasi factor na nostalgia ng mga mitsu advie owners na pwede mag-swing ng buyers.

Baka lang ha. Just a gut feel.

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[dreamur]

I think the xpander will outsell the rush. Meron kasi factor na nostalgia ng mga mitsu advie owners na pwede mag-swing ng buyers.

Baka lang ha. Just a gut feel.

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One brand will expand the market for MPV while another will exit in a rush! 🤣🤣🤣

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[StockEngine]

One brand will expand the market for MPV while another will exit in a rush! 🤣🤣🤣

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one will "trash" one's fc [emoji28]

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[Ry_Tower]

One brand will expand the market for MPV while another will exit in a rush! 🤣🤣🤣

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Hahaha. Malamang nga ganun.

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[JJB]

Maganda na may poll ang tsikoteers kung sino mananalo sa mpv battle.
Gagaya tayo sa indonesia na panalo xpander, or pinoy way na toyota will win?
Although may all-new innova ako, id go for the underdog na xpander sa small mpv segment


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[StockEngine]

Maganda na may poll ang tsikoteers kung sino mananalo sa mpv battle.
Gagaya tayo sa indonesia na panalo xpander, or pinoy way na toyota will win?
Although may all-new innova ako, id go for the underdog na xpander sa small mpv segment


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in indonesia the rush already outsold the xpander this year...

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[dreamur]

Maganda na may poll ang tsikoteers kung sino mananalo sa mpv battle.
Gagaya tayo sa indonesia na panalo xpander, or pinoy way na toyota will win?
Although may all-new innova ako, id go for the underdog na xpander sa small mpv segment


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Innova pa rin ako. MPV na, car(o) pa. 🤣🤣🤣

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[dos2]

I think the xpander will outsell the rush. Meron kasi factor na nostalgia ng mga mitsu advie owners na pwede mag-swing ng buyers.

Baka lang ha. Just a gut feel.

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The small mpv/suv is a very critical segment of the car industry in the future. Even major brands such as Volkswagen are dropping sedan development in favor of suvs, and the truth is not far here in the Philippines given how the Fortuner topped the best selling list last year.

Honestly, I was hoping for the Rush to place second or third, not because I believe the Xpander or BRV or Ertiga is better than the Rush, but because I want Toyota to improve the products they are offering. They see no competition and are raking billions to the tune of 13.4 billion pesos in 2017 (+11% from 2016) by offering slightly above average prices while having fewer features. Case in point, just compare closely priced variants of the Vios and City and you'll know what I am referring to. I thought the Mirage/G4 could atleast shake the subcompact segment a few years ago, but after 5 years the Vios is still the sales king by a large margin.

Unfortunately, I believe this will not be the case. Even I is now a believer of Toyota's reliability and ease of maintenance that If I am in the market for these small mpv/suv, the Rush will be one of the top picks even if I like the look of the Xpander more.

[yapoy86]

The small mpv/suv is a very critical segment of the car industry in the future. Even major brands such as Volkswagen are dropping sedan development in favor of suvs, and the truth is not far here in the Philippines given how the Fortuner topped the best selling list last year.

Honestly, I was hoping for the Rush to place second or third, not because I believe the Xpander or BRV or Ertiga is better than the Rush, but because I want Toyota to improve the products they are offering. They see no competition and are raking billions to the tune of 13.4 billion pesos in 2017 (+11% from 2016) by offering slightly above average prices while having fewer features. Case in point, just compare closely priced variants of the Vios and City and you'll know what I am referring to. I thought the Mirage/G4 could atleast shake the subcompact segment a few years ago, but after 5 years the Vios is still the sales king by a large margin.

Unfortunately, I believe this will not be the case. Even I is now a believer of Toyota's reliability and ease of maintenance that If I am in the market for these small mpv/suv, the Rush will be one of the top picks even if I like the look of the Xpander more.

Pansin ko lang na ang matibay sa toyota ay yung mainstream toyota products like altis, camry, fortuner.. yung daihatsu products medyo hindi ganun katibay.. parang hindi sturdy yung built nya.. same with honda.. iba ang built quality nung mainstream products compared sa mobilio

[Egan101]

Innova pa rin ako. MPV na, car(o) pa. 🤣🤣🤣

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Psst... tumigil ka dyan at baka matulad ka kay Paradox...hahahaha

[StockEngine]

Pansin ko lang na ang matibay sa toyota ay yung mainstream toyota products like altis, camry, fortuner.. yung daihatsu products medyo hindi ganun katibay.. parang hindi sturdy yung built nya.. same with honda.. iba ang built quality nung mainstream products compared sa mobilio

camry and altis? have you driven both? ive driven both and the fortuner. the 2017 camry had surround squeaking sound [emoji28] plastic and rubber sounds.

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[JJB]

in indonesia the rush already outsold the xpander this year...

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I thought the xpander outsold the rush sa indonesia when someone posted a link in the xpander thread

Innova pa rin ako. MPV na, car(o) pa. ������

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Hindi kasama innova sa segment na ito- small or compact MPV ito.
while innova is midsize MPV.
Caro is long MPV

Honestly, I was hoping for the Rush to place second or third, not because I believe the Xpander or BRV or Ertiga is better than the Rush, but because I want Toyota to improve the products they are offering. They see no competition and are raking billions to the tune of 13.4 billion pesos in 2017 (+11% from 2016) by offering slightly above average prices while having fewer features. Case in point, just compare closely priced variants of the Vios and City and you'll know what I am referring to. I thought the Mirage/G4 could atleast shake the subcompact segment a few years ago, but after 5 years the Vios is still the sales king by a large margin.

This. Masyadong comfortable at matalino ang TMPI na bare muna linalabas na models dito with a premium pricetag. Alam nila na bebenta naman kasi. Sana mag-backfire at bumenta ang xpander vs rush para mag-panic sila at gandahan ang mga offer nila.

[maxpedition]

Innova pa rin ako. MPV na, car(o) pa. 🤣🤣🤣

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Iniisip ko din yan bkit ako bibili xpander kung difference lang nila ni innova mga 200k sa innova nko mas malaki yan dyn.

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[dos2]

This. Masyadong comfortable at matalino ang TMPI na bare muna linalabas na models dito with a premium pricetag. Alam nila na bebenta naman kasi. Sana mag-backfire at bumenta ang xpander vs rush para mag-panic sila at gandahan ang mga offer nila.

Exactly what I wanted to happen. Lahat nalang kasi ng segment dinomintate nila, buti na nga lang walang trucks si Toyota kasi nakakaawa naman si Isuzu at Fuso pag nagkataon.