Base Model Gas CUVs (Your insights)

**Egan101** · February 10th, 2019 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by pulse323

I recently purchased a 2019 mazda cx5 2.2L diesel from mazda sta rosa last dec 27ish. I had a 2018 crv diesel awd 1.5L 7 seater, but i sold it after 6 months. That large of a space wasnt necessary for me and i wanted something a bit fun to drive. Here's my take on these vehicles:

Interior quality wise: cx5. Alot of people commend mazda for having a beautiful interior that even rivals most german vehicles in its segment.

Exterior: cx5 looks the best in its segment. It looks even better than the bmw x1.

Interior space: crv (undisputed king in its segment)

Engine: hands down the cx5 2.2
l diesel awd. 420nm at 174hp, it's one of the most powerful engines in its segment second to the foresters turbocharged engine which will be removed in 2019.You also don't get that smell from the exhaust usually present in diesel engines.

Gas consumption: crv. Cx 5's gas consumption was almost identical to its petrol counterpart. Mazda chose to sacrifice gas mileage for performance.

Ride quality: practically the same. The mazda is quieter than the crv, and revs more smoothly, but the crv absorbs bumps slightly better.

Practicality: crv. Because of its space and gas consumption.

Reliability: cx5. Honda needs to fix the oil dillution problems in its engine before it earns its rightful spot here. Mazda's transmission is produced by the same makers as toyota's so thats a small plus. If you do your research mazda's reliability ratings improve year by year as well. If honda manages to address their engine issues, then they would be equal but only time can tell.

Thanks for a comprehensive review of the CX5 and CRV diesel models. However, the TS is looking for insights on the base model versions which are gas-powered models.

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**StockEngine** · February 10th, 2019 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by pulse323

I recently purchased a 2019 mazda cx5 2.2L diesel from mazda sta rosa last dec 27ish. I had a 2018 crv diesel awd 1.5L 7 seater, but i sold it after 6 months. That large of a space wasnt necessary for me and i wanted something a bit fun to drive. Here's my take on these vehicles:

Interior quality wise: cx5. Alot of people commend mazda for having a beautiful interior that even rivals most german vehicles in its segment.

Exterior: cx5 looks the best in its segment. It looks even better than the bmw x1.

Interior space: crv (undisputed king in its segment)

Engine: hands down the cx5 2.2
l diesel awd. 420nm at 174hp, it's one of the most powerful engines in its segment second to the foresters turbocharged engine which will be removed in 2019.You also don't get that smell from the exhaust usually present in diesel engines.

Gas consumption: crv. Cx 5's gas consumption was almost identical to its petrol counterpart. Mazda chose to sacrifice gas mileage for performance.

Ride quality: practically the same. The mazda is quieter than the crv, and revs more smoothly, but the crv absorbs bumps slightly better.

Practicality: crv. Because of its space and gas consumption.

Reliability: cx5. Honda needs to fix the oil dillution problems in its engine before it earns its rightful spot here. Mazda's transmission is produced by the same makers as toyota's so thats a small plus. If you do your research mazda's reliability ratings improve year by year as well. If honda manages to address their engine issues, then they would be equal but only time can tell.

did mazda ph update the diesel engine? diba the new 2.2 450nm?

**benchph1** · February 10th, 2019 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by pulse323

I recently purchased a 2019 mazda cx5 2.2L diesel from mazda sta rosa last dec 27ish. I had a 2018 crv diesel awd 1.5L 7 seater, but i sold it after 6 months. That large of a space wasnt necessary for me and i wanted something a bit fun to drive. Here's my take on these vehicles:

Interior quality wise: cx5. Alot of people commend mazda for having a beautiful interior that even rivals most german vehicles in its segment.

Exterior: cx5 looks the best in its segment. It looks even better than the bmw x1.

Interior space: crv (undisputed king in its segment)

Engine: hands down the cx5 2.2
l diesel awd. 420nm at 174hp, it's one of the most powerful engines in its segment second to the foresters turbocharged engine which will be removed in 2019.You also don't get that smell from the exhaust usually present in diesel engines.

Gas consumption: crv. Cx 5's gas consumption was almost identical to its petrol counterpart. Mazda chose to sacrifice gas mileage for performance.

Ride quality: practically the same. The mazda is quieter than the crv, and revs more smoothly, but the crv absorbs bumps slightly better.

Practicality: crv. Because of its space and gas consumption.

Reliability: cx5. Honda needs to fix the oil dillution problems in its engine before it earns its rightful spot here. Mazda's transmission is produced by the same makers as toyota's so thats a small plus. If you do your research mazda's reliability ratings improve year by year as well. If honda manages to address their engine issues, then they would be equal but only time can tell.

The oil dilution problem only affects the 1.5 petrol engine. And only appears on cold climate.

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**travajante** · February 10th, 2019 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by benchph1

The oil dilution problem only affects the 1.5 petrol engine. And only appears on cold climate.

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He's talking about the dilution problem which bugs DPF-equipped diesels that only see short & slow trips. When passive DPF regeneration conditions can't be met, the ECU forces the active cycle activation, the culprit.
DPF equipped diesels are ideal for those whose routes are the long wide open. City use? Stick w/ petrol or older diesels.

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**dongmilot** · February 10th, 2019 02:30 PM

Agree. It is worthy of its numerous accolades here and abroad.

Originally Posted by Sleepcare

Let me start the thread..

For me, the bang for the buck is still the Crv. Hindi sa biased opinion since i drive one, but i still feel that it has the complete package against the others.

Actually kagat naman sa lahat (interior, exterior, equipment, handling, safety) except lang for the engine power especially when loaded

**pulse323** · February 10th, 2019 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by StockEngine

did mazda ph update the diesel engine? diba the new 2.2 450nm?

I asked the dealer about that and they said its still the 420nm version for the 2019. However I did read somewhere that mazda is releasing another 2019 cx5 model this year with the updated interior and engine. I can guess they will be adding the 2.5L turbocharged variant for the petrol version and the diesel with the updated engine.

**tool_46n2** · February 10th, 2019 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by maxpedition

Crv vs mazda? J vs T

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The Mazda cx-5 they are bringing here now is from Malaysia.

The previous gen cx-5 and the early batch of current gen cx-5 are made in Japan.

**fireproofjat** · February 11th, 2019 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

He's talking about the dilution problem which bugs DPF-equipped diesels that only see short & slow trips. When passive DPF regeneration conditions can't be met, the ECU forces the active cycle activation, the culprit.
DPF equipped diesels are ideal for those whose routes are the long wide open. City use? Stick w/ petrol or older diesels.

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Hello po, I am just wondering what is the proper/practical definition of long trips in terms of daily km average? I am starting to look at CRV 2.0s vs CR V diesel entry level. My daily trip is from Cainta to Technohub (GY shift * 30km roundtrip distance) + Cainta to Marikina (Morning traffic * 20km roundtrip) to send and fetch my son + about 30 kms during the weekend. Which would be the reliable choice? I said reliable because I have been using a 2009 City 1.3 for and it is still working but I think it needs some help now (hehe). Thank you!

**travajante** · February 11th, 2019 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by fireproofjat

Hello po, I am just wondering what is the proper/practical definition of long trips in terms of daily km average? I am starting to look at CRV 2.0s vs CR V diesel entry level. My daily trip is from Cainta to Technohub (GY shift * 30km roundtrip distance) + Cainta to Marikina (Morning traffic * 20km roundtrip) to send and fetch my son + about 30 kms during the weekend. Which would be the reliable choice? I said reliable because I have been using a 2009 City 1.3 for and it is still working but I think it needs some help now (hehe). Thank you!

Passive regeneration relies on the exhaust temperature being high enough to automatically trigger the burn off. This is usually achieved from driving spiritedly some distance. Having long routes in slow traffic can be equivalent to city driving or short trips. In such cases, the regeneration my not take place fully, leading to blocking the DPF. This can lead to higher fuel consumption and a visit to the dealership for servicing or costly filter replacement.
DPFs are an added maintenance item dealerships won't warn buyers of. Once blocked, the car may go into limp mode & require that unplanned dealership visit for a forced regeneration session + oil & oil filter change.

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**Sleepcare** · February 11th, 2019 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by fireproofjat

Hello po, I am just wondering what is the proper/practical definition of long trips in terms of daily km average? I am starting to look at CRV 2.0s vs CR V diesel entry level. My daily trip is from Cainta to Technohub (GY shift * 30km roundtrip distance) + Cainta to Marikina (Morning traffic * 20km roundtrip) to send and fetch my son + about 30 kms during the weekend. Which would be the reliable choice? I said reliable because I have been using a 2009 City 1.3 for and it is still working but I think it needs some help now (hehe). Thank you!

OT: Either choice is ok especially that the diesel currently has i think a 95k discount. Features-wise mas ok packaging ng gas variant compared sa diesel. My fuel consumption for the diesel is 9kpl currently but will check the average distance.