ASX vs Escape 1.6L Ecoboost

[kenz]

with 400k discount --- the Escape 1.6L is now cheaper than the ASX.

Escape is a newer design, bigger, and better equipped. Personally I'm inclined to go with the escape.

BUT horror stories of palpak Ford aftersales makes this not an easy decision.

What do you think? Which would you choose and why?

[minicarph]

ganun kamura escape wow! so less than 1.1M sya with all bells whistles, wprth nga


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[Walter]

Well, Mitsubishi's quality isn't that good either so it's a tough choice. Ford seems to be improving but they still have costly PMS.

[StockEngine]

with 400k discount --- the Escape 1.6L is now cheaper than the ASX.

Escape is a newer design, bigger, and better equipped. Personally I'm inclined to go with the escape.

BUT horror stories of palpak Ford aftersales makes this not an easy decision.

What do you think? Which would you choose and why?

If youre prepared to swallow 5km/l ... then get the 1.6T

They have the worst turbo petrol engines...their upcoming ecoblue engines are promising though

[Egan101]

with 400k discount --- the Escape 1.6L is now cheaper than the ASX.

Escape is a newer design, bigger, and better equipped. Personally I'm inclined to go with the escape.

BUT horror stories of palpak Ford aftersales makes this not an easy decision.

What do you think? Which would you choose and why?

The Escape is better vehicle than the ASX. It's like being offered a CRV for the same price as an HRV, or a CX5 for a CX3.

Ford Manila Bay is one of the better dealerships in term of service. Ford Club Philippines members go there for PMS during warranty periods. After warranty, it's a choice between Powertorq (QC) for those in the north area of Metro Manila or FordMaz (Paranaque) for those in the south.

The FC might be a concern. You're looking at around 6-7 km/L. However, most CUVs are not that thrifty in fuel consumption in bumper to bumper traffic. If fuel expense is such a concern, get a small car or a diesel-powered vehicle.

[niky]

with 400k discount --- the Escape 1.6L is now cheaper than the ASX.

Escape is a newer design, bigger, and better equipped. Personally I'm inclined to go with the escape.

BUT horror stories of palpak Ford aftersales makes this not an easy decision.

What do you think? Which would you choose and why?

No contest. The Escape is a better car.

The only question is the longevity of the turbo (but then, this is a concern with any new turbo engine, gasoline or diesel). Thankfully, the transmission is a traditional six speed automatic.

[Lakwatsero]

Where did you get this scoop? I'll get the Escape in a heartbeat if I had that spare change today, who cares if it drinks gas. The 400k savings can buy me 11,000 liters of gas. Transmission isn't a DCT so no jerking issues. Rear AC vents and 7 airbags are also a bonus.

[Altis6453]

So what is the final price after the Php 400k discount? Is it across all Ford dealerships?

The engine is a 1.6 Li. Ecoboost so you'll still get 5-6 km/li?

[Egan101]

Where did you get this scoop? I'll get the Escape in a heartbeat if I had that spare change today, who cares if it drinks gas. The 400k savings can buy me 11,000 liters of gas. Transmission isn't a DCT so no jerking issues. Rear AC vents and 7 airbags are also a bonus.

It is not a scoop. Ford has been offering discounts for the Escape SE 1.6L Ecoboost since late May and early June. The discount is even offered for loan applications (0 DP or no cash out for the usual 20% DP 60 month loan term).

So what is the final price after the Php 400k discount? Is it across all Ford dealerships?

The engine is a 1.6 Li. Ecoboost so you'll still get 5-6 km/li?

400k discount brings down the price to 1.09M but as per the offer to the TS in another post, it is offered at 1.059M (431k less than the SRP of 1.49M).

The Escape comes with a 1.6L turbo engine, not the usual NA (naturally aspirated) engine. The power and torque output is similar to 2.5L NA engines. Ford Ecoboost engines tend to spool their turbos early (below 2000 rpm) so if you want to save more on gas in city (bumper to bumper) traffic, keep the rpms in check or you keep spooling that turbo. Its edge over NA-powered CUVs is that you have max torque (250Nm) available just before hitting 2000rpm.

[minicarph]

turbo will die down early in bumper manila traffic, better get the ecosport na lang


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[Egan101]

turbo will die down early in bumper manila traffic, better get the ecosport na lang


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I don't think so. If that's the case, most PPVs would now have broken turbos. I drive almost daily my Fiesta Ecoboost and for 2 years, it is still performing well. Newer turbos (water-cooled) are much more reliable than the older oil-cooled turbos.

The TOTL Ecosport is priced at 988k. For less than 100k more, you can get yourself a bigger vehicle, more refined, and offers much better performance.

[minicarph]

naku water-cooled pa pala, mas delikado ka tumirik dyan pag napasok ang coolant sa intake

i have a mild leak ng oil ngaun sa SF ko coz hindi gano nahahataw, the droplets of oil naman burns sa intake process pero mapansin mo talaga rough ang engine

but if water yan sa Escape, tsk tsk water can do so much damage sa cylinders

kaya ako ayoko ng ng turbo car for city drive. buy these things if you travel slex, nlex or higheays everyday


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tsaka triple system sirs dyan - engine itself, engine cooling system, turbocharger

unlike oil. minsan oil sump lang ayusin


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[Egan101]

^^^ Most new gas turbos are water-cooled already, not sure about diesel turbos. Our VW Jetta 1.6TDi is also water-cooled.

Are there new turbo cars which still use oil-cooled systems?

[Walter]

The Escape is better vehicle than the ASX. It's like being offered a CRV for the same price as an HRV, or a CX5 for a CX3.

... and the resale value of a Volvo ...

[Walter]

^^^ Most new gas turbos are water-cooled already, not sure about diesel turbos. Our VW Jetta 1.6TDi is also water-cooled.

Are there new turbo cars which still use oil-cooled systems?

You do realise that you're arguing with a troll ...

[Lakwatsero]

I don't think so. If that's the case, most PPVs would now have broken turbos. I drive almost daily my Fiesta Ecoboost and for 2 years, it is still performing well. Newer turbos (water-cooled) are much more reliable than the older oil-cooled turbos.

The TOTL Ecosport is priced at 988k. For less than 100k more, you can get yourself a bigger vehicle, more refined, and offers much better performance.

Agree with this one. Ford's reliability issues are overblown. My good friend's 2006 Focus is still running well (not an ecoboost though), and besides replacing wear and tear parts, still no mechanical issues.

I haven't heard of any recent issues from the blue oval besides the Ecosport/Fiesta DCT and the Ranger's turbo. This bad rep just tends to spillover to the rest of the lineup.

Much bigger, safer, and overall better car than the Ecosport while getting similar fuel consumption.

[Egan101]

... and the resale value of a Volvo ...

I am not sure if everybody is buying cars for the purpose of selling it later. If you get a car with a big discount, I think it already covers the perceived losses you will have in the case you will sell it later to fund another vehicle.

Besides, CUVs have low resale value same as midsize cars. If the TS is considering resale value for a car worth 1M nowadays, he might be better off with a City or Vios (or he can spend more to get a new Innova). Even compacts nowadays have lower resale value compared to subcompacts.

You do realise that you're arguing with a troll ...

Point taken, sir. Will not consider his replies.

[jut703]

I am not sure if everybody is buying cars for the purpose of selling it later. If you get a car with a big discount, I think it already covers the perceived losses you will have in the case you will sell it later to fund another vehicle.

Besides, CUVs have low resale value same as midsize cars. If the TS is considering resale value for a car worth 1M nowadays, he might be better off with a City or Vios (or he can spend more to get a new Innova). Even compacts nowadays have lower resale value compared to subcompacts.

Personally, resale value takes a backseat if the car is something that I really like. I'd get a Mazda 2 over a Vios even if the Vios will sell higher in the used car market.

But between two cars that I don't like very much, resale value becomes a factor as well. For example, there's nothing nice about the Escape relative to other CUVs except that it's really cheap right now. But even if you compare it to other CUVs, its resale value will be much lower because noone knows about the car and noone wants it.

As in the example I gave earlier, if you get a RAV4 for 1.2M and compare it to a 1.1M Escape, the RAV4 will come out cheaper once you consider resale costs because the RAV4 will sell over 100k more than the Escape in the used car market. That's how exceptionally bad the Escape's resale value is.


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[niky]

The Escape is not the best crossover out there, but in terms of refinement, it's among the best in the class. I think the back seat suffers a bit in comparison to vehicles like the Fozzie and the CR-V, and the CX5 is still better in terms of vehicle dynamics... (but the Escape is surprisingly good in this regard, too)... if you can get one for just ASX money, it's a steal.

Agree with this one. Ford's reliability issues are overblown. My good friend's 2006 Focus is still running well (not an ecoboost though), and besides replacing wear and tear parts, still no mechanical issues.

I haven't heard of any recent issues from the blue oval besides the Ecosport/Fiesta DCT and the Ranger's turbo. This bad rep just tends to spillover to the rest of the lineup.

Much bigger, safer, and overall better car than the Ecosport while getting similar fuel consumption.

The turbo issues are supposedly solved with the current generation, though I'm still waiting to hear if new cases have cropped up.

[Egan101]

Niky did a review of the Escape SE 1.6L Ecoboost earlier this year. He summed up the predicament of the Escape in our local market thru his verdict.

"The Escape is an exceptional product, but one with a big problem. A problem spelled E-V-E-R-E-S-T. That monumental new truck is hogging the lion's share of showroom sales and marketing spending, leaving the Escape to cater to a small subset of Ford buyers who need something bigger than a sedan but don't fancy a non-diesel EcoSport. With no base variant below this P1.49-million SE EcoBoost to draw buyers away from the P1.3-million Everest Ambiente, the Escape will likely remain a rare sight on our roads."


FordPH had to do some drastic discounts to get some sales on the unit. I think FordPH had to price the model at such a price to get buyers of midtrim compacts (1M to 1.1M) to consider a CUV instead.