Alto vs. Picanto vs. Getz

[mike01]

i think the alto and getz/picanto are not in the same type of vehicles..

the alto is a kei car.. while the getz/picanto is a subcompact.. getz/picanto is in the same type of vehicle like that of a toyota vios..

even the daihatsu charade is not a kei car.. rather its the daihatsu mira (engine of which is used by norkis legacy/privacy), is the one that's a kei car..

kei cars are supposed to be small and cheap.. so its baseless to compare it with non kei cars..

[drey]

wanna learn kei car rule? search wiki for that.

[monmendoza]

If you can't find the standard, no biggie. Kung girl ang gagamit, the non-power-steering rack of the standard will be a pain in her butt during parking maneuvers (I know I've said it was okay once the car was moving a bit, but it's tiring to park if you don't have manly arms... ).

I think the addition of power steering and windows is worth the extra 40k... but if you can get that discounted...

Paano ba makumbinsi ang dealers to give a discount?

I tried the steering of the standard Alto mukhang okay naman. Pati wife ko pinasubukan ko, wala naman siyang reklamo. Actually mas excited pa nga siya dito sa Alto. When I told her that I will be looking at an Alto, she volunteered to accompany me. She never bothered to accompany me when I bought my STi and the Fortuner. She was also excited when I bought the Jumbo Starex. Iba talaga ang preferences ng mga babae. Siguro namiss na niya magdrive. Dati kasi noong Suzuki Fronte pa and after a while Kia Pride ang kotse ko, palagi niyang hiniram iyon pag naggrocery. Ngayon di na siya nagdradrive kasi may driver na atsaka nahihirapan daw siya.Mas gusto daw niya magdrive noong maliit pa ang kotse namin. I have a feeling, gagamitin niya itong Alto once in a while.

[Horsepower]

Ang panget. Mukhang kariton na nilagyan ng gulong. Pero pwede na kung super gipit na talaga.

Pero ako, i won't settle for that.

[oldblue]

Paano ba makumbinsi ang dealers to give a discount?

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usually yun mga entry level mahirap na bigyan ng discounts kasi talagang sagad na.


sabi nga noon bayaw ko car salesman, mas ok pa daw magbenta sa mga bumibili ng high end cars kasi hindi gaanong makulit kaysa sa mga bumibili ng vios. mga buyers daw ng vios kulang na lang may utang na loob pa sila sa buyer sa sobra humingi ng freebies, incentives and discounts talagang pinaparamdam daw ng sobrang laki ng nilabas nila pera at 500K+ or below. pero kung malalman lang nila mga buyers ng 1M+ cars, kung minsan sila pa mga car salesmen nililibre sa lunch at tini-tipan

[mike01]

usually yun mga entry level mahirap na bigyan ng discounts kasi talagang sagad na.


sabi nga noon bayaw ko car salesman, mas ok pa daw magbenta sa mga bumibili ng high end cars kasi hindi gaanong makulit kaysa sa mga bumibili ng vios. mga buyers daw ng vios kulang na lang may utang na loob pa sila sa buyer sa sobra humingi ng freebies, incentives and discounts talagang pinaparamdam daw ng sobrang laki ng nilabas nila pera at 500K+ or below. pero kung malalman lang nila mga buyers ng 1M+ cars, kung minsan sila pa mga car salesmen nililibre sa lunch at tini-tipan

wala namang namimilit sa kanya magbenta ng mura.. e di high end car na lang ibenta nya.. para limited ang market nya..

hirap kase sa ganyan.. brand new na nga binibili mo may mga nananaga pa din na salesman..

[mike01]

I visited 2 dealers today. Wala silang stock noong standard model. Pero marami silang stock noong deluxe. They have been trying to upsell me into getting the deluxe model pero ayaw ko. Sayang pa kasi iyong 40k. Bibilhin ko nalang ng mags iyon. I also compared it side by side with a Getz and my impression is the build quality of the Getz is better. Mapapansin mo talaga sa transmission. Parang short throw at saka swabe ang getz. Aside from the fact that it is bigger. But I resisted the temptation. Wala pang discount ang alto and aside from the matting, there are no freebies. but it is still 100K cheaper than the Getz. It seems that most people who buy the Alto are really very price sensitive. Ayaw magbigay ng 40K more for the deluxe. Initially mas marami daw silang stock nang standard model. pero mas nauna naubos kesa sa deluxe.

i think something is fishy is going in sales department.. i have a feeling that they are hoarding the stocks again because in a couple of months they will be selling this at a ridiculous price as that of a picanto or getz..

oh well..only in the philippines..

[niky]

IMHO, Japanese engine, with a Japanese heritage, the only thing is it's made in India?

Most Korean engines are based on Japanese engines... ika-nga... Japanese heritage... but they're made in Korea... and so?

You've already been warned... flame-baiting and off-topic ka nanaman. You might find yourself banned from yet another motoring site...

Paano ba makumbinsi ang dealers to give a discount?

I tried the steering of the standard Alto mukhang okay naman. Pati wife ko pinasubukan ko, wala naman siyang reklamo. Actually mas excited pa nga siya dito sa Alto. When I told her that I will be looking at an Alto, she volunteered to accompany me. She never bothered to accompany me when I bought my STi and the Fortuner. She was also excited when I bought the Jumbo Starex. Iba talaga ang preferences ng mga babae. Siguro namiss na niya magdrive. Dati kasi noong Suzuki Fronte pa and after a while Kia Pride ang kotse ko, palagi niyang hiniram iyon pag naggrocery. Ngayon di na siya nagdradrive kasi may driver na atsaka nahihirapan daw siya.Mas gusto daw niya magdrive noong maliit pa ang kotse namin. I have a feeling, gagamitin niya itong Alto once in a while.

Haha... pati naman friend ko na naka-Fronte dati nai-intriga sa Alto... brings back lots of memories daw...

Well, if she finds the steering okay, then I guess the base model is okay. I still feel that the price difference is justified by the extra stuff you get. Save up nalang ulit for the mags and tires, or get those from a suking shop via post-dated checks.

[nicolodeon]

How the Picanto, Alto and the Getz are rated by TopGear.

Amongst the three, the Alto was rated lowest while the Picanto got the highest rating among the three.

[mike01]

How the Picanto, Alto and the Getz are rated by TopGear.

Amongst the three, the Alto was rated lowest while the Picanto got the highest rating among the three.

with a cheap car like alto, of course you won't expect much in craftsmanship and driving experience..

people who buy alto only go for a basic car that goes from point a to point b..

look at how top gear weighted their criteria

Build quality (22%)
Craftsmanship (22%)
Driving experience (19%)
Ownership costs (17%)
Service received (20%)

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they give high weight to BUILD QUALITY AND CRAFTSMANSHIP.. alto buyers care less about build quality and craftsmanship.. what alto buyers want is ownership cost.. which is the lowest weight..

so this topgear survey does not cater to the needs of alto buyers..

[mike01]

according to TopGear
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Cars are like pickpockets: take your eye off them for ten seconds and they mysteriously empty your wallet.

Is your runaround is a light-fingered crook, fleecing you every time you pass a petrol station or reach routine service time, or as cheap to keep as a lightweight Lambrini-swilling scally? The results are, well, eclectic.

Our survey showed the Fiat Panda as the car with the best running costs. A welcome boon to Fiat - a manufacturer too often found skulking around the bottom of customer satisfaction charts - owners of the Panda loved its economy, low insurance and cheap service costs.

Predictably, many of the cars with the best running costs are on the small side. The Suzuki Alto (8th), Honda Jazz (9th) and Toyota Yaris (10th) demonstrate there's nowt cheaper than a Japanese city car, but fifth place for the all-conquering Honda S2000 proves that daft performance can come at a sensible price.

Indeed, with the Toyota MR2, Vauxhall VX220 and Mazda MX5 in the top twenty, you might be able to justify buying yourself something sporty on financial as well as emotional grounds

[monmendoza]

Haha... pati naman friend ko na naka-Fronte dati nai-intriga sa Alto... brings back lots of memories daw...

Save up nalang ulit for the mags and tires, or get those from a suking shop via post-dated checks.[/quote]

I think thats it. It brings up old memories. I have been asking myself, what I really want from the alto , and maybe its the memories. Our family was poor, never had a car from the time I was born until I graduated from college. When I graduated and work for a multinational semicon company, I was sent abroad. I had allowances that I had to liquidate. What I did was tipid tipid para maka downpayment ako sa first car ko. I did not liquidate the balance of my cash advances. Instead the company deducted my whole pay for 1 year. Wala as in zero ang sweldo ko for 1 year. Kaya humihiram lang ako ng allowance from my brother. I had a car but I can't afford to drive it. Wala akong pang gas. 3 months before I bought the fronte, I was so excited that I can't sleep every night, thinking that I have achieve a childhood dream. The experience was fantastic. When I resigned 4 years later to put up a business, The fronte became my car, and delivery vehicle. I remember, pag kinargahan ko iyon, umaangat ang harap sa bigat ng karga. Those were the days.
I have actually 6 cars in the house. Apat lang kami kasama ang dalawang anak ko na hinde pa pwede magdrive. 3 of them I bought this year. I bought 2 units actually from Lui, a tsikot member. the 3 brand new units cost more than 1M each. The other 3 cars are less than 3 years old. I really have no reason to buy an alto, until my wife ask me to look for a cheap car because she wanted to promote her staff. Nagkarason ako bumili ng maliit na sasakyan and it is really starting to bring a lot of memories for me. I think that is the reason why I finally decided to buy an Alto. May pinagsamahan kami. Ang fronte lang ang kotse noon na kaya kung bayaran ang downpayment. Siya ang kasama ko noong hirap na hirap pa ang negosyo. And I wanted the experience the way it was when I had my first car, the Suzuki Fronte. I will post the picture of the Alto when Lui delivers it to me.

[LexTer]

wala namang namimilit sa kanya magbenta ng mura.. e di high end car na lang ibenta nya.. para limited ang market nya..

hirap kase sa ganyan.. brand new na nga binibili mo may mga nananaga pa din na salesman..

i dont get it. di ba when you say nananaga it means overpricing? pano magagawa ng agent yun e may SRP? puro nga discounts binibigay nila para makahabol sa quota e.

[niky]

Haha... pati naman friend ko na naka-Fronte dati nai-intriga sa Alto... brings back lots of memories daw...

Save up nalang ulit for the mags and tires, or get those from a suking shop via post-dated checks.

I think thats it. It brings up old memories. I have been asking myself, what I really want from the alto , and maybe its the memories. Our family was poor, never had a car from the time I was born until I graduated from college. When I graduated and work for a multinational semicon company, I was sent abroad. I had allowances that I had to liquidate. What I did was tipid tipid para maka downpayment ako sa first car ko. I did not liquidate the balance of my cash advances. Instead the company deducted my whole pay for 1 year. Wala as in zero ang sweldo ko for 1 year. Kaya humihiram lang ako ng allowance from my brother. I had a car but I can't afford to drive it. Wala akong pang gas. 3 months before I bought the fronte, I was so excited that I can't sleep every night, thinking that I have achieve a childhood dream. The experience was fantastic. When I resigned 4 years later to put up a business, The fronte became my car, and delivery vehicle. I remember, pag kinargahan ko iyon, umaangat ang harap sa bigat ng karga. Those were the days.
I have actually 6 cars in the house. Apat lang kami kasama ang dalawang anak ko na hinde pa pwede magdrive. 3 of them I bought this year. I bought 2 units actually from Lui, a tsikot member. the 3 brand new units cost more than 1M each. The other 3 cars are less than 3 years old. I really have no reason to buy an alto, until my wife ask me to look for a cheap car because she wanted to promote her staff. Nagkarason ako bumili ng maliit na sasakyan and it is really starting to bring a lot of memories for me. I think that is the reason why I finally decided to buy an Alto. May pinagsamahan kami. Ang fronte lang ang kotse noon na kaya kung bayaran ang downpayment. Siya ang kasama ko noong hirap na hirap pa ang negosyo. And I wanted the experience the way it was when I had my first car, the Suzuki Fronte. I will post the picture of the Alto when Lui delivers it to me.

*sigh* there's really nothing like your first car... ibang klase talaga ang feeling.

Guess that's why I like the Lynx... halatang ma-luma ang itsura niya compared to other cars of the time, but it brought back memories of what I'd loved about our old compacts.

Congrats... mukhang yumayaman si Lui sa iyo, ah! :hihihi: So, what did you get? Base model or Deluxe? Pimp na yun! Seat covers, mags... hehehe...

[niky]

according to TopGear
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Cars are like pickpockets: take your eye off them for ten seconds and they mysteriously empty your wallet.

Is your runaround is a light-fingered crook, fleecing you every time you pass a petrol station or reach routine service time, or as cheap to keep as a lightweight Lambrini-swilling scally? The results are, well, eclectic.

Our survey showed the Fiat Panda as the car with the best running costs. A welcome boon to Fiat - a manufacturer too often found skulking around the bottom of customer satisfaction charts - owners of the Panda loved its economy, low insurance and cheap service costs.

Predictably, many of the cars with the best running costs are on the small side. The Suzuki Alto (8th), Honda Jazz (9th) and Toyota Yaris (10th) demonstrate there's nowt cheaper than a Japanese city car, but fifth place for the all-conquering Honda S2000 proves that daft performance can come at a sensible price.

Indeed, with the Toyota MR2, Vauxhall VX220 and Mazda MX5 in the top twenty, you might be able to justify buying yourself something sporty on financial as well as emotional grounds

Of course, two "Cheapest Car to Run" awards for the Kia Picanto in Europe within the past two years from separate voting bodies don't count? ;)

Also, note, the Kia Picanto and Hyundai Getz rate at just about as many stars as the Alto in terms of "running costs"... Strange that the article never mentions the last two in the top ten... hmmm...

[mike01]

Of course, two "Cheapest Car to Run" awards for the Kia Picanto in Europe within the past two years from separate voting bodies don't count? ;)

Also, note, the Kia Picanto and Hyundai Getz rate at just about as many stars as the Alto in terms of "running costs"... Strange that the article never mentions the last two in the top ten... hmmm...

yes... they never mention about korean cars in their surveys.. good thing you notice that.. yet they mention about french cars.. i don't know.. but maybe because korean cars for them don't exist.. its just there.. but they don't exist..

[monmendoza]

*sigh* there's really nothing like your first car... ibang klase talaga ang feeling.

Guess that's why I like the Lynx... halatang ma-luma ang itsura niya compared to other cars of the time, but it brought back memories of what I'd loved about our old compacts.

Congrats... mukhang yumayaman si Lui sa iyo, ah! :hihihi: So, what did you get? Base model or Deluxe? Pimp na yun! Seat covers, mags... hehehe...

I ordered the base model. Another reason why I ordered the base model is because I want to paint the bumpers silver metallic gray for a duotone look. I also ask Lui to help me look for the mags, Install auto door locks with alarm, order customize body kits and have it 3M tinted. I'd like to see an alto with spoilers . I will post the pictures once the unit has been delivered and the conversions have been done.

[mike01]

I ordered the base model. Another reason why I ordered the base model is because I want to paint the bumpers silver metallic gray for a duotone look. I also ask Lui to help me look for the mags, Install auto door locks with alarm, order customize body kits and have it 3M tinted. I'd like to see an alto with spoilers . I will post the pictures once the unit has been delivered and the conversions have been done.

now that's unusual..the alto hardly goes fast to ever need a spoiler.. i guess the alto is best kept to its original form, the lighter it is the better.. to exploit the high power to weight ratio of the alto..in fact they say the alto has got higher power to weight ratio than a vios..

im looking for an even more basic alto.. a barebone alto, no aircon, just 2 seaters..

[A121]

now that's unusual..the alto hardly goes fast to ever need a spoiler.. i guess the alto is best kept to its original form, the lighter it is the better.. to exploit the high power to weight ratio of the alto..in fact they say the alto has got higher power to weight ratio than a vios..

im looking for an even more basic alto.. a barebone alto, no aircon, just 2 seaters..

er... removing some ammenities is just plain ridiculous. you're better off on a bmx bike.

[monmendoza]

now that's unusual..the alto hardly goes fast to ever need a spoiler.. i guess the alto is best kept to its original form, the lighter it is the better.. to exploit the high power to weight ratio of the alto..in fact they say the alto has got higher power to weight ratio than a vios..

im looking for an even more basic alto.. a barebone alto, no aircon, just 2 seaters..

I know mike. Except for probably really fast cars with more than 180 HP engine, you won't need a spoiler. Pero katuwaan lang. I just want to see
how it would look like if you dress it up. Lui said the firberglass spoilers won't add more than 3 kilos to the weight so I think okay lang.
I also think what they have right now is already barebone. If you remove the aircon, Mga chicks di na sasakay sa oto mo dahil sobrang init sa Manila. BTW my 84 fronte did not have an aircon. It was an option then and I can't afford it and besides during those days, people consider an aircon a luxury. Its either Manila is getting hotter or the Filipinos are getting richer. Dati pag may oto ka, sikat na sikat kana. Nowadays its an ordinary thing. Dati, except for the Toyota Crown and other high end cars like a mercedes, no car is offered with an aircon. Now even the cheapest brand new car ( Alto?) comes standard with an aircon. Dati the only european brand (read expensive) with dealership in the Philippines is Mercedes, Ngayon sari saring mamahalin na kotse na ang available sa Philippines. Pati motorsiklo napakamura na ngayon. Pagpasok mo ng trabaho, pwede ka kaagad makabili (hulugan) . Dati kailangan pagipunan mo ng mga tatlong taon.