650k value for money

[Azryl]

good day tsikoters! would like to ask your expert opinion on this. I got a budget of 650k max to buy my second hand service car however im torn on two car choices.

First choice is a 2015 top of the line honda jazz 1.5 VX model, A/T and the second choice is any 2006 and up SUV (fortuner or montero) A/T whatever the budget permits.

Service car will be used as a daily driver to and from work and a weekend car to go up hill like baguio. No other passengers during the weekend drive uphill except for some laundry clothings. My personal choice is the jazz but i got confused when my family members suggested to get a bigger car due to my position in work. Im also hesitant to get an OLDER SUV as ive learned my lesson when i got my first 4wheel car with many repairs as the year past by.

Im looking for the best value for my hard earned money given the budget above. You may enlighten me with the choice of car you would suggest and the reason why. Pros and cons of both cars are welcome.

TIA



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[GTi]

A suggestion would be a 2010-2012 Santa Fe. Engine and transmission is exactly the same as the ones in the current Santa Fe, Sorento and Carnival. It offers much better value for money as compared to a similarly priced Montero or Fortuner. We have it and there's little that can go wrong with it if its well taken care of. Things to look out for may include engine and transmission supports, stabilizer links, and according to Central Diesel, malfunctioning fuel pump in high mileage units which will result in hard starting (haven't experienced that yet in both our units)

On the other hand, a friend of mine owns a 2015 Jazz 1.5S and I've driven it a few times. Performance and handling were very, very impressive.

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[dr. d]

good day tsikoters! would like to ask your expert opinion on this. I got a budget of 650k max to buy my second hand service car however im torn on two car choices.

First choice is a 2015 top of the line honda jazz 1.5 VX model, A/T and the second choice is any 2006 and up SUV (fortuner or montero) A/T whatever the budget permits.

Service car will be used as a daily driver to and from work and a weekend car to go up hill like baguio. No other passengers during the weekend drive uphill except for some laundry clothings. My personal choice is the jazz but i got confused when my family members suggested to get a bigger car due to my position in work. Im also hesitant to get an OLDER SUV as ive learned my lesson when i got my first 4wheel car with many repairs as the year past by.

Im looking for the best value for my hard earned money given the budget above. You may enlighten me with the choice of car you would suggest and the reason why. Pros and cons of both cars are welcome.

TIA



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i rould suggest a diesel innova or fort.
matibay. ok sa akyatan.
my 12 year old innova MT with over 110K km, has not given me any problems.
at pag na-ipit kayo sa trapik, you can stretch out inside its big passenger space, enjoying the aircon.
the downside, is that it's a diesel. compared to gas, maingay makina when pushed to speed on the highway. it is also somewhat slower than gas.

[Walter]

Better to buy Japanese when betting used cars ...

[Azryl]

wow! thanks for the inputs sirs. ill research more on the santa fe sir GTi. sir dr.d actually ive considered the innova before but scrape it off in the long run. thank you sir walter, im confident we cannot go wrong with a japanese car.

for now would like to limit the choices to (1) jazz 2015, will be getting it from a friend who will finish the the installment this coming nov and (2) a not so old fortuner/montero. still looking for the best buy alongside the different car sale websites.

more enlightenment from our expert tsikoters.

thanks

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[GTi]

I really like the Jazz. Everything feels very well put together. The switchgear have a solid feel to them same as what I've experienced in our 2005 Accord. Space is abundant despite the dimunitive dimensions. When driving, I don't feel like driving a subcompact hatch at all. My only gripe so far would be the hard plastics. More soft touch materials would be nice. The Jazz I drove was the base model and so didn't have manual mode. But the S mode worked much better than I'd expected, transforming the Jazz into an entirely different animal. Its just that the low ride height is a disadvantage if you need to traverse flooded areas or bad roads often.

With regards to the Korean vs Japanese argument, I do agree that Korean cars are generally less durable in the long run as compared to Japanese cars, especially in the suspension department. However, do consider that for the same price you would most likely be getting a Japanese car that's older by a significant margin, especially if its a diesel Toyota. The R eVGT Santa Fe is also significantly more powerful and fuel efficient than a top of the line 3.0D4D Fort.

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[Azryl]

thank you sir GTi for the valuable comment. actually im a 100% sure for the TOTL jazz not until my family started to introduce the two SUV. Now im considering sta fe over the mits. starting my research for sta fe. thank you for this. thumbs up for you sir.

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[GTi]

I was actually quite surprised that I would like the Jazz this much. The engine was very rev-happy and the CVT a willing accomplice. Suspension absorbed ruts very well, but my heart bled every time I accidentally hit one. [emoji23] Since you mentioned that the car belongs to your friend, that's another point in its favor.

I've extensively driven both the Santa Fe and a Strada GLS Sport V (my uncle's). Mitsubishi's 4WD system and INVECS II are truly impressive, as befitting Mitsubishi's rally heritage. Engine performance is good with excellent midrange grunt, but suffers from pronounced turbo lag until full boost kicks in at around 2000rpm despite having a VGT. It is also prone to black smoke on full throttle, a trait that is even more pronounced among Montero's for some reason. I have yet to see a smoke belching R eVGT Santa Fe, and have only ever seen one smoke belching VGT Santa Fe.

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[Azryl]

im learning a lot from you sir. i really appreciate it. one more thing about the jazz is that it was lady driven and is CASA maintained. this is the main reason why im half hearted to let go of the jazz should i consider the fort or sta fe. i admit im a novice at car troubleshooting and repair hence i would like to get a newer car model and a well taken cared of service car for a worry free or less repairs. im considering this to be my car for the next 5yrs or more so making a decision like this is so hard. this is another reason why i posted this topic as i may get blinded by a biased perception of my own, atleast i get the chance to consult car enthusiasts who had handled both cars.

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[Egan101]

^^^ For ease of maintenance, go with the Jazz. It is a good all-around utility small hatchback - lots of space, decent fuel consumption, decent performance.

[Azryl]

thank you sir egan101. im getting ups for the jazz. thank you.

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[Egan101]

*Azryl - do you have other choices? I mean you have a budget of 650k so you might as well make the most out of it. Have you checked for an Altis or Civic or Sylphy? The Jazz is big for a small car but a compact car is better built than a subcompact car. A Civic is better overall than a City/Jazz, the same way an Altis is better than a Vios/Yaris.

[BlancNoir]

Saw an ad, 2012 XV, sellin for around 680k ata or 580k.

Might want to check that out.

[hypnos]

Agree with GTi regarding durability of Jap vs Kor on parts especially suspension undertrimmings.
While the SF is handsome, spacious, comfortable, and rapid; you have to look very hard to find one in very good condition.
I was in the in market for one not so long ago. And I know that most owners who have good condition units prefer not to sell them because of the lower resale value compared to other brands, and of course how good of a vehicle it is.

The Jazz is car that is hard to hate.
In the end, it will boil down to your preference and need.

Just remember that an older/bigger vehicle will be more expensive to maintain(insurance/fuel/parts).
Happy hunting!

[ice15]

I will normally vote for the newer car...

You're choosing between a 2 year old Jazz and a 10 year old SUV...

BUT, the SUV has a ladder frame (maybe it's my age, but based on experience, I prefer vehicles with a ladder frame)

So, for casa maintained car, go with the Jazz... You can test drive Jazz vs SUV and matutuwa ka sa Jazz

If you can do small repairs, you can consider the 10 year old SUV

[StockEngine]

if youre getting a used suv. better make sure you have a good service shop in mind. think "restore to new"

hint: zix



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[ax30g]

*650K, you might want to consider the Sylphy.

[GTi]

IMHO the SUV offers more bang for the buck. Consider that the Jazz costs around 800-900k when new, while a mid or top variant SUV costs around twice as much. Then there is also fuel cost. Diesel is around P12/L cheaper than the cheapest unleaded gasoline. Rough calculations indicate that fuel cost of a diesel engine consuming 8km/L (assuming P31/L) in city driving is the same as a gasoline engine consuming 11km/L (assuming P43/L), and that's the fuel consumption of a typical 1.3L subcompact. Then of course we have the usual high ground clearance, sturdier underpinnings and bigger seating capacity. More respectable road presence is also a plus, something to consider if you happen to be someone who meets and/or ferries business clients/potential clients regularly. Cons would be higher maintenance cost due to larger volume of lubricants needed and expensive tire sizes.

In the end, the deciding factor would be which car would make you happier.



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[Azryl]

hi sir *egan101 ive considered the civic and altis as 3rd and 4th choice. i really fell in love with a hatch ^^v

sir *BlancNoir i have limited knowledge on the XV, its performance and some other matter same as true with the sylphy.

*hypnos sir if thats the case it would be difficult to find that good gem on SF owners. Noted also on your last statement.

*ice15 thank you sir. i have a hard time looking for an honest seller who would open up issues of their car before purchase.

*StockEngine sir thank you also for the input.

*ax30g sir its hard to find a sylphy in my location and its nearby provinces. im scared to buy a unit that came from NCR due to flooding and some hidden issues . im now reading threads in this forum on things to check and consider when buying a second hand car.

*GTi thank you sir for the figurative comparison.

Thank you tsikoteers for the inputs. this really is a one stop shop forum and im filling up my cup on different knowledge.

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[Egan101]

*Azryl - I drive a hatchback also and I love my Fiesta. We used to have a previous gen Jazz. The Fiesta is smaller inside than the Jazz but it offers a more responsive and quicker drive.

The Subaru XV is a small crossover with standard AWD. It is bigger than the Jazz and with a higher ground clearance. Think of it as a hatchback with a raised suspension and with light offroad capability. Performance is decent with its 2.0L boxer engine, punchier on low rpms compared to 1.5L engine of the Jazz.

The Sylphy is a fairly new platform in the country, released mid 2014. It offers a good package for a compact car but it has a hard time competing in sales against the Altis and Civic.