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    Ranking:

    1 Toyota Vios E 1.3L CVT 878,000 (Stability control)
    2 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Diesel DCT - 930,000 Facelift is coming! (Stability Control)
    3 Ford Fiesta Sports+ 1.0 EB 6Spd, 905,000 (Stability Control) Fully loaded
    4 Mazda 2 1.5 V+ 6AT 938,000 (Yojin) - Maintenance is free! (Stability Control) Rear View Camera!
    5 Honda City E 1.5L CVT 868,000
    6 Suzui Ciaz 1.4 GL AT - 845,000

    Completely Avoid:

    Chevrolet Sail 865,000

    The competition is rather good. I thought Honda was a 2nd but on paper Ford Fiesta, Accent, and Mazda-2 is actually competitive versus the mighty Vios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    Ranking:

    1 Toyota Vios E 1.3L CVT 878,000 (Stability control)
    2 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Diesel DCT - 930,000 Facelift is coming! (Stability Control)
    3 Ford Fiesta Sports+ 1.0 EB 6Spd, 905,000 (Stability Control) Fully loaded
    4 Mazda 2 1.5 V+ 6AT 938,000 (Yojin) - Maintenance is free! (Stability Control) Rear View Camera!
    5 Honda City E 1.5L CVT 868,000
    6 Suzui Ciaz 1.4 GL AT - 845,000

    Completely Avoid:

    Chevrolet Sail 865,000

    The competition is rather good. I thought Honda was a 2nd but on paper Ford Fiesta, Accent, and Mazda-2 is actually competitive versus the mighty Vios.
    Kung ako...
    1. City 1.5- IMHO most well rounded package of excellent performance, quality, parts availability, space, lahat na. Plus the engine is used in 4 different models and deemed good enough to spawn a turbo variant.
    2. Vios 1.3- best appliance of the lot but with no excitement whatsoever
    3. Accent CRDi- lots of power plus excellent fuel efficiency in diesel! DCT has dubious rep and specs are really, really poor nowadays no thanks to HARI
    4. Fiesta 1.0- best performance but most likely poorest resale due to Ford badge, also kinda small for me
    5. Mazda 2 1.5- great specs with good performance but like the Fiesta, kinda small
    6. Suzuki Ciaz 1.4- lots of space, good looks plus competitive pricing, but doesn't particularly excel in any area...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTi View Post
    Kung ako...
    1. City 1.5- IMHO most well rounded package of excellent performance, quality, parts availability, space, lahat na. Plus the engine is used in 4 different models and deemed good enough to spawn a turbo variant.
    2. Vios 1.3- best appliance of the lot but with no excitement whatsoever
    3. Accent CRDi- lots of power plus excellent fuel efficiency in diesel! DCT has dubious rep and specs are really, really poor nowadays no thanks to HARI
    4. Fiesta 1.0- best performance but most likely poorest resale due to Ford badge, also kinda small for me
    5. Mazda 2 1.5- great specs with good performance but like the Fiesta, kinda small
    6. Suzuki Ciaz 1.4- lots of space, good looks plus competitive pricing, but doesn't particularly excel in any area...

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    Nice! I think the Honda City e will get an upgrade this year. even so mas lamang padin vios. hehehe

    Yun maliit na Mazda2 and Fiesta are forgiveable for a couple and 1 kid or for elder folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTi View Post
    Kung ako...
    1. City 1.5- IMHO most well rounded package of excellent performance, quality, parts availability, space, lahat na. Plus the engine is used in 4 different models and deemed good enough to spawn a turbo variant.
    2. Vios 1.3- best appliance of the lot but with no excitement whatsoever
    3. Accent CRDi- lots of power plus excellent fuel efficiency in diesel! DCT has dubious rep and specs are really, really poor nowadays no thanks to HARI
    4. Fiesta 1.0- best performance but most likely poorest resale due to Ford badge, also kinda small for me
    5. Mazda 2 1.5- great specs with good performance but like the Fiesta, kinda small
    6. Suzuki Ciaz 1.4- lots of space, good looks plus competitive pricing, but doesn't particularly excel in any area...

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    Uh oh. Thinking of selling my Ford Fiesta 1.0


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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    Ranking:

    1 Toyota Vios E 1.3L CVT 878,000 (Stability control)
    2 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Diesel DCT - 930,000 Facelift is coming! (Stability Control)
    3 Ford Fiesta Sports+ 1.0 EB 6Spd, 905,000 (Stability Control) Fully loaded
    4 Mazda 2 1.5 V+ 6AT 938,000 (Yojin) - Maintenance is free! (Stability Control) Rear View Camera!
    5 Honda City E 1.5L CVT 868,000
    6 Suzui Ciaz 1.4 GL AT - 845,000

    Completely Avoid:

    Chevrolet Sail 865,000

    The competition is rather good. I thought Honda was a 2nd but on paper Ford Fiesta, Accent, and Mazda-2 is actually competitive versus the mighty Vios.
    Sir StockEngine,

    Nice Specs and Competitive price pag dating sa sub-compact sedan under 900K..

    No more accessories, more on safety features na..

    Hopefully, by the 4th quarter of 2018 and Early 2019, yung mga ibang brand na, will follow na sa ganyan features, more on safety features rather than accessories.

    BTW:

    Still kahit marami nang safety-features, pero marami pa rin ang irresponsible driving at negligence sa maintenance..
    all of the specs will be useless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by playplugg View Post
    Sir StockEngine,

    Nice Specs and Competitive price pag dating sa sub-compact sedan under 900K..

    No more accessories, more on safety features na..

    Hopefully, by the 4th quarter of 2018 and Early 2019, yung mga ibang brand na, will follow na sa ganyan features, more on safety features rather than accessories.

    BTW:

    Still kahit marami nang safety-features, pero marami pa rin ang irresponsible driving at negligence sa maintenance..
    all of the specs will be useless...
    yes bro. hopefully filipinos will learn more about cars. I mean aside from reliability. two things need to be considered more of: cost of ownership( specific maintenance costs and long term fuel consumption hindi yun 12kml na sinasabi lng) and safety especially stability control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    yes bro. hopefully filipinos will learn more about cars. I mean aside from reliability. two things need to be considered more of: cost of ownership( specific maintenance costs and long term fuel consumption hindi yun 12kml na sinasabi lng) and safety especially stability control.

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    Among these vehicles, I think only the 1.3 Vios and the Accent CRDi have any hope of doing 12km/L in actual MM rush hour traffic. Typical 1.5 gas engines will only do 8-9.

    In terms of safety... Perhaps I may represent the old school way of thinking already by today's standards. My basic requirements are actually just functioning seatbelts, well maintained brakes and good and thick tires. ABS is great to have though not really required. Even less so for airbags. A well-engineered crash structure is most important though. Still can't believe how the Explorer spectacularly failed the crash testing in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTi View Post
    Among these vehicles, I think only the 1.3 Vios and the Accent CRDi have any hope of doing 12km/L in actual MM rush hour traffic. Typical 1.5 gas engines will only do 8-9.

    In terms of safety... Perhaps I may represent the old school way of thinking already by today's standards. My basic requirements are actually just functioning seatbelts, well maintained brakes and good and thick tires. ABS is great to have though not really required. Even less so for airbags. A well-engineered crash structure is most important though. Still can't believe how the Explorer spectacularly failed the crash testing in the US.

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    old school yes...

    toyota is offering these safety features because not all drivers can perfectly brake and steer a car in emergency situations. airbags are not needed? all manufacturers are putting more and more of these for a reason.

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    The City offers the best package by having decent size, good engine performance, and acceptable fuel efficiency.

    The Vios 1.3E is just too pricey for what it offers but it does carry the T brand name. Some even say the 1.5L model is more fuel efficient than the 1.3L model.

    The Fiesta and Mazda both have cramped interiors but these two offer good driving dynamics and performance. If opting for the Fiesta, the hatchback Ecoboost is something to consider if you like a responsive daily driver.

    The Accent CRDi offers frugality thru its turbo Diesel engine. The engine has good performance numbers but the chassis is quite heavy for a small car. Sarsi owns an Accent CRDi and the listed gross vehicle weight is 1650 kg, more like the older midsize cars already. This also means its LTO registration cost is similar to an Accord or Camry or the bigger TOTL compacts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    Ranking:

    1 Toyota Vios E 1.3L CVT 878,000 (Stability control)
    2 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Diesel DCT - 930,000 Facelift is coming! (Stability Control)
    3 Ford Fiesta Sports+ 1.0 EB 6Spd, 905,000 (Stability Control) Fully loaded
    4 Mazda 2 1.5 V+ 6AT 938,000 (Yojin) - Maintenance is free! (Stability Control) Rear View Camera!
    5 Honda City E 1.5L CVT 868,000
    6 Suzui Ciaz 1.4 GL AT - 845,000

    Completely Avoid:

    Chevrolet Sail 865,000

    The competition is rather good. I thought Honda was a 2nd but on paper Ford Fiesta, Accent, and Mazda-2 is actually competitive versus the mighty Vios.
    Please share the criteria maestro

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    Quote Originally Posted by carwhacko View Post
    Uh oh. Thinking of selling my Ford Fiesta 1.0


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    Why naman? I was also thinking of selling mine as we are looking at getting a bigger car but I am more inclined to keep it. Maybe make it a project car or weekend track car.

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    i'd sell my car if i didn't need it anymore.
    it'd just deteriorate, languishing,un-used, and occupying space in the garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    The City offers the best package by having decent size, good engine performance, and acceptable fuel efficiency.

    The Vios 1.3E is just too pricey for what it offers but it does carry the T brand name. Some even say the 1.5L model is more fuel efficient than the 1.3L model.

    The Fiesta and Mazda both have cramped interiors but these two offer good driving dynamics and performance. If opting for the Fiesta, the hatchback Ecoboost is something to consider if you like a responsive daily driver.

    The Accent CRDi offers frugality thru its turbo Diesel engine. The engine has good performance numbers but the chassis is quite heavy for a small car. Sarsi owns an Accent CRDi and the listed gross vehicle weight is 1650 kg, more like the older midsize cars already. This also means its LTO registration cost is similar to an Accord or Camry or the bigger TOTL compacts.


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    bro gross weight already includes the max payload. take out the 550 and thats the curb weight..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    Why naman? I was also thinking of selling mine as we are looking at getting a bigger car but I am more inclined to keep it. Maybe make it a project car or weekend track car.
    Recently kasi excessive na naman shuddering and clutch assay daw problema and it is not covered under the extended warranty ng Ford. Only for the other variants. The casa is charging me 90k to replace the clutch assay. Sooner or later baka bumigay na to eh. I don’t really know. Original plan was to make it a project car pero pag ganito nagdadalawang isip na tuloy ako [emoji24]


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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    bro gross weight already includes the max payload. take out the 550 and thats the curb weight..

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    It will be a surprise for owners to find their small car to have the registration cost of a big car. Sarsi pays 5k a year for LTO registration cost of his Accent CRDi.


    Quote Originally Posted by carwhacko View Post
    Recently kasi excessive na naman shuddering and clutch assay daw problema and it is not covered under the extended warranty ng Ford. Only for the other variants. The casa is charging me 90k to replace the clutch assay. Sooner or later baka bumigay na to eh. I don’t really know. Original plan was to make it a project car pero pag ganito nagdadalawang isip na tuloy ako [emoji24]


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    Kaya nga di ko sinunod yung notice ng Ford about TCM update. My Fiesta is working fine and I need not risk doing something that may result to something like what others experienced after the TCM update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    It will be a surprise for owners to find their small car to have the registration cost of a big car. Sarsi pays 5k a year for LTO registration cost of his Accent CRDi.




    Kaya nga di ko sinunod yung notice ng Ford about TCM update. My Fiesta is working fine and I need not risk doing something that may result to something like what others experienced after the TCM update.
    I didn’t also. From the beginning palang talagang lemon ata nakuha kong unit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    It will be a surprise for owners to find their small car to have the registration cost of a big car. Sarsi pays 5k a year for LTO registration cost of his Accent CRDi.
    Ang mahal naman ng 5k a year. Kasama na ba dun ang TPL? Ang bayad lang sa Carnival at Granvia, IIRC, 2429.xx lang eh. For some reason mas mahal yung 07 SF at 3k+. Yung Revo diesel namin dati I think 2229.xx lang. Hindi kasama dito ang TPL.

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    My Sylphy 1.6CVT was just almost 4k php plus 600 TPL. Could the additional cost for the Accent be because it is a diesel?

    Size wise, the Sylphy is actually comparable to an older generation Camry, but the current gen of both Altis and Civic are also larger in this regard as well so I think they will also be charged similar amounts when registering their vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17 View Post
    My Sylphy 1.6CVT was just almost 4k php plus 600 TPL. Could the additional cost for the Accent be because it is a diesel?

    Size wise, the Sylphy is actually comparable to an older generation Camry, but the current gen of both Altis and Civic are also larger in this regard as well so I think they will also be charged similar amounts when registering their vehicles.
    Ang mamahal naman ng binabayaran niyo! Ang pinakamahal na binayaran ko na walang penalty/additional charges as indicated sa OR is 3034.06 for the 07 Santa Fe. TPL was P970.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GTi View Post
    Ang mahal naman ng 5k a year. Kasama na ba dun ang TPL? Ang bayad lang sa Carnival at Granvia, IIRC, 2429.xx lang eh. For some reason mas mahal yung 07 SF at 3k+. Yung Revo diesel namin dati I think 2229.xx lang. Hindi kasama dito ang TPL.

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    Under its declared 1650kg gross vehicle weight, the Accent CRDi falls under the medium category of LTO. For medium class cars, the LTO MVUC cost is Php 3600 so total annual registration cost could be around 5k including TPL and other miscellaneous fees.

    MPVs and SUVs are classified differently by LTO.

    Quote Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17 View Post
    My Sylphy 1.6CVT was just almost 4k php plus 600 TPL. Could the additional cost for the Accent be because it is a diesel?

    Size wise, the Sylphy is actually comparable to an older generation Camry, but the current gen of both Altis and Civic are also larger in this regard as well so I think they will also be charged similar amounts when registering their vehicles.
    I think the 1.6L Sylphy is still classified under small cars with LTO. The 1.8L model is already under medium, same with the Altis 1.6V, Focus, Elantra, and Impreza. The additional registration cost is not related to engine size or fuel type but with the gross vehicle weight.

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