Best hatchback?

[anonemus]

Just so you have an idea of the Vios' FC compared to the Accent hatch - last summer bumyahe kami Manila to Naga, convoy kami Vios 1.3 AT and Accent 1.6 CRDi MT. 3 yung sakay ng Accent, 5 sa Vios, parehong puno ng gamit.

The Vios got 13.1 km/L, yung Accent 16.7 km/L. Sabay lang takbo namin (convoy nga eh) so same traffic and road conditions.

Mas matipid talaga Accent CRDi sa Vios and ang layo pa ng power. Cheap lang talaga ng dating and lambot ng suspension.


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Current generation Vios and Accent, or previous? Or same for both generations?

[glenn manikis]

If we do the maths...
Consumo sa highway is roughly 1.25pesos per km more on the vios than the accent assuming 44pesos gas at 35 ang diesel...if the microcars (mirage/celerio/picanto/etc) can log 21km/l, they can match the cost per km of the accent at 16.7km/l at roughly 2.1pesos/km.

Now assuming the microcars just match the accent's 16.7km/l, the microcars would cost 50cents more for each km driven. The cheapest among the ones listed is the celerio at going at 542k...the accent hb at is 236k more at 778k. Now for just the initial cost, you will have to travel around 472,000km to break even. At 150km/day, 20days a month...that would be 13yrs! Just to break even! This is maintenance cost nonwithstanding and syempre assuming fuel price remains constant.

So kung cost of ownership over several years mukhang masmatipid pa microcars kahit matipid sa fuel si accent if under 10yrs lang which is most likely the case.

Anyway, it was mentioned na 650k limit, brand new, at hatchback...so i guess accent labas na sa choices...

Mirage/celerio/picanto/etc na lang...Initial cost at fuel consumption di na siguro nagkakalayo bet mirage and celerio. Picanto mamalakas ata sa gas iirc at masmahal siya ng 100k more than the celerio. Sagad sa 650k budget. Sa maintenance cost na lang magkakatalo dahil mukhang di naman particular sa porma. At yung laging advice ng mga guru na magtest drive...

First things first.. Ano ba tAlaga Ang actual real time fuel consumption ng Micro cars? Mixed highway and city driving.... 22km per liter? For a 1.0 car.... Real time na talaga yung 22km per liter...?

[weisshorn]

ako di lang sa tipid o menos gastos na sasakyan. importante din na napapa ngiti ako pag nag drive ako lalo na kung may kasabay na rezing rezing guy sa kalsada.

[jut703]

Current generation Vios and Accent, or previous? Or same for both generations?

2014 Vios and 2013 Accent. Both current gen.


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[glenn manikis]

Just ask my byenan... Actual FC nya using a mirage... Office to work - mixed city and a little highway south area-- Sabi nya more or less 42kms. One way or 84kms. Back and forth.. 350 pesos daw kinakarga every time.. Or kung 500 pesos it last daw 1.5 na byahe...

Or kung tama Ang km.'s travelled nya--- php350 / php34= 8.29kpl-- parang Ang layo naman on paper... Sa 21kpl...

Compare sa 16km per liter ng accent... Real time driving condition

Accent kasi 54km per liter on paper...

Mahirap naman mag compute tayo based on paper yung isa naman real time driving condition...

And we should also compute it at present diesel prices... Wag diesel and gasoline price Nung mataas pa Ang prices... Present prices Ang computation...

Do we have anyone here actual driving condition... FC ng mirage...

[glenn manikis]

Assuming na tama Ang 8.29kpl Ang mirage
And Ang accent NASA 16kpl..


120kms. Per day x 20 nalang=
2400kms. Per month

Mirage
Divide it by 8.29kpl.. = 289li X php34= P9826

Accent
2400 / 16 = 150li x 25.50= P3825

Difference of = Php 6,001 monthly x 12
Php72,000 yearly savings...
236,000/72,000= 3.2 years bawi mo na...

[StockEngine]

Just ask my byenan... Actual FC nya using a mirage... Office to work - mixed city and a little highway south area-- Sabi nya more or less 42kms. One way or 84kms. Back and forth.. 350 pesos daw kinakarga every time.. Or kung 500 pesos it last daw 1.5 na byahe...

Or kung tama Ang km.'s travelled nya--- php350 / php34= 8.29kpl-- parang Ang layo naman on paper... Sa 21kpl...

Compare sa 16km per liter ng accent... Real time driving condition

Accent kasi 54km per liter on paper...

Mahirap naman mag compute tayo based on paper yung isa naman real time driving condition...

And we should also compute it at present diesel prices... Wag diesel and gasoline price Nung mataas pa Ang prices... Present prices Ang computation...

Do we have anyone here actual driving condition... FC ng mirage...

42km and i would assume zero highway? kasi di naman gumagalaw? 12km highway is not the same as nlex highway towards bulacan. which is free flowing.

[glenn manikis]

42km and i would assume zero highway? kasi di naman gumagalaw? 12km highway is not the same as nlex highway towards bulacan. which is free flowing.

South area.. Highway nya maiksi Lang, from magallanes up to San Pedro Laguna lang...

[dishcom]

Kung talaga mahusay ang hyundai diesel. Ang biggest question bakit nag balik loob ang mga taxi operator sa VIOS??

[minicarph]

Kasi madali i convert ang old gasoline taxi sa lpg

[Egan101]

Madami ba talagang nagka problemA sa dct na yan?

As per our survey in FCP, mostly on Fiesta Sports (1.6L) units manufactured from 2011-2012 but not all. There are a few 2013 models reported though. The new Fiestas with the Aston Martin grill has the updated TCM already. The Fiesta Ecoboost was released locally 2nd quarter of 2014. So far, no reports yet of TCM failure among Ecoboost owners in FCP.

The Fiesta Ecoboost is efficient if you drive it passively. On the highway, it can do 20 km/L if you cruise at 80kmh or 15km/L if you cruise at 100-120kmh. It will not be that efficient if you make the most of the torque available and let that tachometer needle rise till overboost (5k rpm). Believe me, that tachometer needle can easily rise to redline if you have a lead foot.

[chronicle]

Just ask my byenan... Actual FC nya using a mirage... Office to work - mixed city and a little highway south area-- Sabi nya more or less 42kms. One way or 84kms. Back and forth.. 350 pesos daw kinakarga every time.. Or kung 500 pesos it last daw 1.5 na byahe...

Or kung tama Ang km.'s travelled nya--- php350 / php34= 8.29kpl-- parang Ang layo naman on paper... Sa 21kpl...

Compare sa 16km per liter ng accent... Real time driving condition

Accent kasi 54km per liter on paper...

Mahirap naman mag compute tayo based on paper yung isa naman real time driving condition...

And we should also compute it at present diesel prices... Wag diesel and gasoline price Nung mataas pa Ang prices... Present prices Ang computation...

Do we have anyone here actual driving condition... FC ng mirage...

Why not ask your biyenan for a full tank method sir? May kakilala naman pala kayo na may ari ng mirage. Im actually interested to know as well yung results. Btw, mt or cvt? 😀

[glenn manikis]

Why not ask your biyenan for a full tank method sir? May kakilala naman pala kayo na may ari ng mirage. Im actually interested to know as well yung results. Btw, mt or cvt? ��

matagal ko na sakanya sinasabi na to do a full tank method to be accurate... hanggang ngayon ganun pa din ang basahan nya at naka ugalian.

if i have a chance ill ask my kapit bahay.... they own 2..

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Why not ask your biyenan for a full tank method sir? May kakilala naman pala kayo na may ari ng mirage. Im actually interested to know as well yung results. Btw, mt or cvt? 😀

matagal ko na sakanya sinasabi na to do a full tank method to be accurate... hanggang ngayon ganun pa din ang basahan nya at naka ugalian.

if i have a chance ill ask my kapit bahay.... they own 2..

[glenn manikis]

As per our survey in FCP, mostly on Fiesta Sports (1.6L) units manufactured from 2011-2012 but not all. There are a few 2013 models reported though. The new Fiestas with the Aston Martin grill has the updated TCM already. The Fiesta Ecoboost was released locally 2nd quarter of 2014. So far, no reports yet of TCM failure among Ecoboost owners in FCP.

The Fiesta Ecoboost is efficient if you drive it passively. On the highway, it can do 20 km/L if you cruise at 80kmh or 15km/L if you cruise at 100-120kmh. It will not be that efficient if you make the most of the torque available and let that tachometer needle rise till overboost (5k rpm). Believe me, that tachometer needle can easily rise to redline if you have a lead foot.

Do you have actual figures, mixed city and highway driving?

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As per our survey in FCP, mostly on Fiesta Sports (1.6L) units manufactured from 2011-2012 but not all. There are a few 2013 models reported though. The new Fiestas with the Aston Martin grill has the updated TCM already. The Fiesta Ecoboost was released locally 2nd quarter of 2014. So far, no reports yet of TCM failure among Ecoboost owners in FCP.

The Fiesta Ecoboost is efficient if you drive it passively. On the highway, it can do 20 km/L if you cruise at 80kmh or 15km/L if you cruise at 100-120kmh. It will not be that efficient if you make the most of the torque available and let that tachometer needle rise till overboost (5k rpm). Believe me, that tachometer needle can easily rise to redline if you have a lead foot.

Do you have actual figures, mixed city and highway driving?

[Walter]

Mirage will do 10-12 kpl in city driving, about 14-15 kpl for mixed and 20-21 kpl for pure highway driving.

[glenn manikis]

I'm getting mixed FC from friends... My neighbor told me... 16kpl highway driving... Mirage 1.2 automatic-- hindi nga Lang full tank method.. Kaya hindi din accurate...

Extremes pareho.. May mababa meron mataas...

[kkreuk18]

Torn between mirage and celerio un bayaw ko. But I think un mirage pipiliin nya dahil sa badge at siguro sa porma. Pero sa australian review between those cars, anlayo ng score nila. Mataas un score ng celerio because of space & handling.

[jut703]

And we should also compute it at present diesel prices... Wag diesel and gasoline price Nung mataas pa Ang prices... Present prices Ang computation...

Do we have anyone here actual driving condition... FC ng mirage...

Kahit itama mo yung presyo ng gas and diesel from 44 and 35 (as in the previous post) to 38 and 26, malayo pa rin ang tipid ng Mirage sa overall running costs because it's much much cheaper.

Of course, the Accent is much more powerful and has more space, but if ownership costs lang ang tinitingnan, lamang ang Mirage.

Assuming na tama Ang 8.29kpl Ang mirage
And Ang accent NASA 16kpl..

Dapat laging apples-to-apples comparison. Accent will not get 16 km/L in the driving conditions that only gives the Mirage 8 km/L.

My girlfriend's dad's Accent gets around 12 km/L in light to moderate traffic (usual route is Fairview to Quezon City Hall and Manila City Hall). With the same traffic I'm sure the Mirage can do 12 km/L as well, maybe 10 km/L at the very least.


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[dishcom]

I think.. pag isipan din natin bakit nag balik loob sa VIOS ang taxi operator na dating naka accent diesel, napaka dalang ko ng maka kita ng bagong accent na diesel...

[jut703]

I think.. pag isipan din natin bakit nag balik loob sa VIOS ang taxi operator na dating naka accent diesel, napaka dalang ko ng maka kita ng bagong accent na diesel...

1. Malayo presyo - base Accent is 728k. Base Vios is 592k.

2. Vios parts are cheaper to source outside casa. Same engine since 1998 (Echo) so all mechanics know how to fiddle with it.

3. Accent turbo is finicky - as with all turbos, you need to observe proper cooldown and correct maintenance intervals to prolong the turbo's life. The Vios is just a run it till it dies kind of car. In other words, mas bagay sa balasubas na pagalaga ng kotse ng taxi driver ang Vios.


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