DLS Crossover Pass filter for tweeter got burned...

[goofalotatots]

Ride: 2003 Revo GLX
HU: Pioneer DEH-P4950MP
Front: DLS X-SD62 - 6,5" separates
Rear: DLS X-SD62 - 6,5" separates
Sub: Rockford Punch P1S412
Amp: V12 NV-805 4CH

Mga guru, bakit kaya nasunog ung high pass filter nung 2 tweeter ko sa front? Kaya ba ng amp ko ipower ung speakers and sub o kelangan ko pa ng 1 pang amp? Any recommendations and suggestions? Thanks!

[v6dreamer]

If you said "high pass filter" you're speaking about a subwoofer car audio, then a "high pass filter" is what allows high frequencies to "pass" and directs them to an appropriate speaker (usually a speakers,tweeter) while blocking low frequencies. A "low-pass filter" does the opposite, that's for subs.

Why burn?
You might want to check the wiring inside the car that goes to your speaker. It may be either faulty or just damaged. And even if you wired one of the tweeter backwards (Red to black / black to red) the speaker simply would be out of phase, but its not going to burn.

Again, check all the wire to see if there is a chance they could be touching each other or an open wire touching the car body.

[goofalotatots]

sir v6dreamer,

No problem naman daw sa wiring sabi ng shop. Ang cause daw ay yung overuse which I highly doubt it kasi hindi naman ako malakas magpatugtog and within normal range lang sa volume and HU settings.

BTW, bat ung tweeters sa rear di affected? Bale ung wiring config ay yung amp ang nagpopower sa 2 sets of seps and sub. Ok po ba ito o kelangan ko pa ng 1 pang ampli? Thanks

[v6dreamer]

BTW, bat ung tweeters sa rear di affected? Bale ung wiring config ay yung amp ang nagpopower sa 2 sets of seps and sub. Ok po ba ito o kelangan ko pa ng 1 pang ampli? Thanks

That is 3 channel setup. Thats good, because the 3 channel setup is advantage to your sub you can adjust the subwoofer volume by tweaking the "gain control". If your amplifier has a variable low-pass crossover, you can adjust the crossover point, too.

Can you tell me exactly how they wired your system. You see, using an underpowered amp is more damaging than an overpowered one, and may result in 'clipping' where the amp runs of steam trying to drive the speakers.

I NEED TO KNOW THIS:

1. Where did you mount the seps?
A. Do you have a "passive crossover" on the woofer and tweeter?
A passive crossovers are incorporated into your tweeter leads and woofers in a separate module for each channel, usually it connected after your amp.

2. Are you using amp on the front & rear speakers or you powered only with your H.U? Which one w/ an amp?

3. Which tweeter that it burn? Are you using an amp on this tweeter?

[s_quilicot]

Ride: 2003 Revo GLX
HU: Pioneer DEH-P4950MP
Front: DLS X-SD62 - 6,5" separates
Rear: DLS X-SD62 - 6,5" separates
Sub: Rockford Punch P1S412
Amp: V12 NV-805 4CH

Mga guru, bakit kaya nasunog ung high pass filter nung 2 tweeter ko sa front? Kaya ba ng amp ko ipower ung speakers and sub o kelangan ko pa ng 1 pang amp? Any recommendations and suggestions? Thanks!

a bit OT: hindi ba humihinto/ auto protect ang amp mo?

in some cases kasi pag isang amp lang usually v12 705 hindi nito kayang ipower ang isang sub and 4 speakers, now did the shop inspect he entire wiring or hinulaan lan nila? better to have 2nd opinion from ither shops.\

OT: bro how much bili mo sa dls seps mo?

TIA

[s_quilicot]

BTW, bat ung tweeters sa rear di affected? Bale ung wiring config ay yung amp ang nagpopower sa 2 sets of seps and sub. Ok po ba ito o kelangan ko pa ng 1 pang ampli? Thanks

That is 3 channel setup. Thats good, because the 3 channel setup is advantage to your sub you can adjust the subwoofer volume by tweaking the "gain control". If your amplifier has a variable low-pass crossover, you can adjust the crossover point, too.

Can you tell me exactly how they wired your system. You see, using an underpowered amp is more damaging than an overpowered one, and may result in 'clipping' where the amp runs of steam trying to drive the speakers.

I NEED TO KNOW THIS:

1. Where did you mount the seps?
A. Do you have a "passive crossover" on the woofer and tweeter?
A passive crossovers are incorporated into your tweeter leads and woofers in a separate module for each channel, usually it connected after your amp.

2. Are you using amp on the front & rear speakers or you powered only with your H.U? Which one w/ an amp?

3. Which tweeter that it burn? Are you using an amp on this tweeter?

tama, some set-ups kasi front lang or rear speakers ang amplified due o underpowered sub.

[OyiL]

i cant resist. gusto ko rin mag-imbestiga.



based on your list, you are using only 1 amp unit with 4 channels. how was the wiring done?let me guess..... 1 ch goes to the sub, then 2 (L and R) goes to your sd62 kit(both woofers and tweeters passing through the high pass)...how was the fourth channel used?

ang rating ng sd62 mo ay 50W rms, 200W peak. ano naman ang max power output ng amp mo? siguro di nakayanan ng filters yung power output.

[goofalotatots]

That is 3 channel setup. Thats good, because the 3 channel setup is advantage to your sub you can adjust the subwoofer volume by tweaking the "gain control". If your amplifier has a variable low-pass crossover, you can adjust the crossover point, too.

Can you tell me exactly how they wired your system. You see, using an underpowered amp is more damaging than an overpowered one, and may result in 'clipping' where the amp runs of steam trying to drive the speakers.

I NEED TO KNOW THIS:

1. Where did you mount the seps?
A. Do you have a "passive crossover" on the woofer and tweeter?
A passive crossovers are incorporated into your tweeter leads and woofers in a separate module for each channel, usually it connected after your amp.

2. Are you using amp on the front & rear speakers or you powered only with your H.U? Which one w/ an amp?

3. Which tweeter that it burn? Are you using an amp on this tweeter?

1. Same position with the stock speakers
A. Yes

3. Both tweeters on the front

[goofalotatots]

Im kind of a noob when it comes to wiring stuff so I'll let you guys interpret on this pic I took earlier




The V12 amp was already pulled-out for replacement. See it's specs below

2000watts MAX POWER
2/3/4 WAY AMPLIFIER WITH EXTRA RCA OUT FOR ADDITIONAL AMPLIFIER ATTACHMENT
500WATTS X 4 MAX POWER
2 AND 4 OHMS STABLE
THERMAL AND SHORT CIRCUIT PROTECTION
BUILT IN CROSSOVER WITH EXTRA KNOB TYPE ADJUSTMENT FOR FINE TUNING

[v6dreamer]

Im kind of a noob when it comes to wiring stuff so I'll let you guys interpret on this pic I took earlier




The V12 amp was already pulled-out for replacement. See it's specs below

2000watts MAX POWER
2/3/4 WAY AMPLIFIER WITH EXTRA RCA OUT FOR ADDITIONAL AMPLIFIER ATTACHMENT
500WATTS X 4 MAX POWER
2 AND 4 OHMS STABLE
THERMAL AND SHORT CIRCUIT PROTECTION
BUILT IN CROSSOVER WITH EXTRA KNOB TYPE ADJUSTMENT FOR FINE TUNING

The first one are your RCA cable that goes to your amp from H.U.

The other blue wire below I believe that is wire speakers.

The Red cable is your power cable and the brown is the ground.

[OyiL]

kung 500w per channel ang feed mo sa 200w peak na speakers. yari nga ang capacitors sa high pass channel ng filters. yung low-pass filters mostly use coils na hindi naman madali masunog. palitan mo yung speakers at filters mo..mas higher ang rating not lower than 500W or wag mo paabutin ng 200W peak ang lalabas na power sa amp mo (turn down the main gain setting).

[goofalotatots]

*Oyil,

So ito pala yung salarin kung bakit nasunog. Are there any other factors that would make the high pass filter burn?

I'll bring in my revo at the shop on sunday and inform them of the likely cause of the incident. Its the fault of the shop right because I didnt modified any settings and even if someone accidentally does changed it, then the shop should have anticipate that and warn me or better yet installed devices which is best suited to one another.
Sana, I dont have to shell out money for the damaged parts...

[xtian_joyaxx]

*Oyil,

So ito pala yung salarin kung bakit nasunog. Are there any other factors that would make the high pass filter burn?

.

In my experience sa V12 (No offense sa mga gumagamit ha sa akin lang to) hindi maganda ang sound quality niya..masakit sa tinga yong mga speakers ko we can tell the x-over was not doing its job properly..kahit ano gawin mo sa x-over settings.. gumanda na lang yong set-up namin ng pumalit kami ng JBL..at maganda din para sa akin ang FENTON..(iwan ko lang kung meron pa ito) One of the factor probably hindi tama ang signal na ibinigay sa ampli mo papunta sa separates mo..dahil ang sa akin 75 RMS ang separates 100 RMS ang ampli ko(masmaganda panga pagmalaki ang RMS)..wala namang problema I had my set-up for almost 2 years now and still doing its job properly.. Huwag ka maniwala sa 2000 watts(dahil mga generic amp ang mga ito... OVERATED to get your attention) if you still have the box or manual..Im pretty sure meron sila nilagay na 65 0r 80 watts RMS lang yan or even less ...just check.. kung power ang paguusapan tamang tama lang yong amp mo sa speakers..pero kung quality sa amp mo..hhmmm..nadamay tuloy ang DLS mo.. kung filter lang ang nasunog Im sure maraming spare yan sa RAON..GOOD LUCK!

[s_quilicot]

as of now im still using v12 amp, and boy it starts to turn like an iron at volume 4 and automatically turns off/ auto protect at volume 5

lately nagka static din and poor sound quality.

[s_quilicot]

v12 f805? i beleive 2000 watts ang addvertisement rating jan

pero no one would beleive it. baka nga RMS nyan wala pang 150 watts per channel.

[OyiL]

In my experience sa V12 (No offense sa mga gumagamit ha sa akin lang to) hindi maganda ang sound quality niya..masakit sa tinga yong mga speakers ko we can tell the x-over was not doing its job properly..kahit ano gawin mo sa x-over settings.. gumanda na lang yong set-up namin ng pumalit kami ng JBL..at maganda din para sa akin ang FENTON..(iwan ko lang kung meron pa ito) One of the factor probably hindi tama ang signal na ibinigay sa ampli mo papunta sa separates mo..dahil ang sa akin 75 RMS ang separates 100 RMS ang ampli ko(masmaganda panga pagmalaki ang RMS)..wala namang problema I had my set-up for almost 2 years now and still doing its job properly.. Huwag ka maniwala sa 2000 watts(dahil mga generic amp ang mga ito... OVERATED to get your attention) if you still have the box or manual..Im pretty sure meron sila nilagay na 65 0r 80 watts RMS lang yan or even less ...just check.. kung power ang paguusapan tamang tama lang yong amp mo sa speakers..pero kung quality sa amp mo..hhmmm..nadamay tuloy ang DLS mo.. kung filter lang ang nasunog Im sure maraming spare yan sa RAON..GOOD LUCK!

hindi man ito 2000W (500w x 4ch), nasunog pa rin. sign na hindi kaya ng passive filters yung output ng amp. tama sa raon marami filters, choose the one that closely matches yours, goofalots

[OyiL]

*Oyil,

So ito pala yung salarin kung bakit nasunog. Are there any other factors that would make the high pass filter burn?

I'll bring in my revo at the shop on sunday and inform them of the likely cause of the incident. Its the fault of the shop right because I didnt modified any settings and even if someone accidentally does changed it, then the shop should have anticipate that and warn me or better yet installed devices which is best suited to one another.
Sana, I dont have to shell out money for the damaged parts...

its the most probable reason. i dont know how you and the shop came to decide regarding the system components and the operation of the system - so i dont know who to blame.

anyway, good luck, sana di ka nila pagbayarin.

[gonzo]

Mostly I know ang nasusunog speaker like tweeter if mali ang crossover point or mali ang wiring sa crossover.

Pero ito cross over mismo nasunog? Hmmnnnn.. di pwede masunog sa over use yan kung tama ang install, Im sure wiring configuration mistake by the installer yan

[goofalotatots]

Nareplaced na ng shop ung nasunog na tweeters ko. Inupgrade ko pala ung V12 NV-805 ko sa Thunder Audio TAA-5460 5ch. Ayos ba ito kahit powered nya lahat ung front, rear and sub? Nasa normal settings and tama lang ung gain..



credit to adsounds

[OyiL]

Nareplaced na ng shop ung nasunog na tweeters ko. Inupgrade ko pala ung V12 NV-805 ko sa Thunder Audio TAA-5460 5ch. Ayos ba ito kahit powered nya lahat ung front, rear and sub? Nasa normal settings and tama lang ung gain..



credit to adsounds

i-post mo yung audio system setup wiring diagram. akala ko filters lang ang nasunog. pati tweeter ba? o tweeter and hi-pass filter?