audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[bn9]

hahahaha okays, thanks man... medyo malayo kasi samin ang banawe eh.

try jeff tan (araneta car accessories) on fb. he can ship the items to you. he recently posted akai seps & coaxials package for less than 5k

[jhnkvn]

Mga sir need your advice, gusto ko lang po yung "surround" sound sa loob ng oto, anu po kayang sound set up recommended?
Btw my HU is pioneer deh5350ub, di rin po pala ako pede maglagay ng sub sa trunk kasi lagi po may laman sa likod.. TIA mga sir!

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Unless you're willing to fork out big bucks, you won't be able to get the true surround sound you're eyeing in movies. For those kasi, you need first is a 2DIN deck that can accept movie files. This will damage you around 20k upwards depending on your taste for head unit features. What's expensive is what comes afterwards: Alpine H701/H800 processor for Dolby Digital Processing (32k), speakers, amplifiers, etc.

How cost prohibitive? I won't recommend going for one unless you have at least 6 digits on your back account.

One of the best implementation of true 5.1 in a car is Stephen's "Karty" Montero (http://tsikot.com/forums/car-audio-v...-set-up-79810/) which is actually internationally awarded. Problem is, the price tag is at 7-digits na

The easier way is the budget way. It isn't really surround sound but it's kinda like your everyday car with front and rear speakers playing. Just replace your front speakers with separates and your rears with either a coaxial or just a midbass then call it a day. Even with your deh5350ub deck, kaya yan.

I will still suggest going for a subwoofer. Since they're dedicated bass machines and iba talaga ang difference with them. You don't need to sacrifice a large space. Kahit a 10" subwoofer on a 1.2cu.ft box is compact enough. How big?? hmm... isipin mo lagi ka meron microwave sa trunk mo.

[aZzip]

Thanks sir jhnkvn, oo nga sir suggest din sa kin ni jeff tan is just replace my stock with seps and coax, and deadening for the front doors.. He recommend akai brand, is this brand good sir?


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[ralphs]

What would be the best (2-way, 6.5") separates that I can pick to fit a Php10k budget?

[jhnkvn]

Thanks sir jhnkvn, oo nga sir suggest din sa kin ni jeff tan is just replace my stock with seps and coax, and deadening for the front doors.. He recommend akai brand, is this brand good sir?


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Not much brand differentiation sa lower-tiers. It's like buying a laptop for 20,000php. Almost lahat ng internals nila same.. yun brand lang at design and nagpapalit. Same logic goes with speakers.. there's only so much technology you can cram on a budget.

Jeff also sells TEAC at the same category as AKAI. What's better? Just go for the cheaper one and be happy. Same lang yan... TEAC is Japan while AKAI is at Singapore.. but all of them outsources their production either in Taiwan, South Korea, or China then stamps them with their brand and voila.. sellable goods.

What would be the best (2-way, 6.5") separates that I can pick to fit a Php10k budget?

Chip in a bit more and you'll start seeing brand differentiation at its works. The best "basic" hovers around 12k actually. This is where brand R&D starts shining like Focal PS165, Morel Tempo 6, DLS R6N, etc.

Below 10,000php, I am a fan of JBL's separates as well as its sister brand, Infinity. Morel's most basic speaker -- the Maximo goes for 8,000php~

[aZzip]

Thanks sir jhnkvn sa info.. Update ko na lng kau once na upgrade ko na sound system ko.. Thank u sir!


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[CT_HuNTeR]

*jhnkvn sir i already bought a pioneer avh-x1650dvd for my Honda City 09 and replaced my stock stereo... my next plan is to buy a component speaker, for now sir component speaker alone lang muna bibilin ko pero plan ko din mag amp and sub in the near future just want to hear your expert opinion sa mga short listed kong speaker na pinag pipilian ko.

1. Focal PS 165
2. Polk Audio db 6501 - which is palaging nasa top ten ng best car speaker sa net
3. Soundstream SC 6T
4. Cadence XM6K

or may iba ka pang suggestion aside sa JBL? and locally available ba yang mga yan dito sa pinas? kaya bang i drive ng stereo ko yang mga yan or kailangan talaga may amp na agad ako TIA sir... BTW my budget is 12k and below... thanks again...

[jhnkvn]

*jhnkvn sir i already bought a pioneer avh-x1650dvd for my Honda City 09 and replaced my stock stereo... my next plan is to buy a component speaker, for now sir component speaker alone lang muna bibilin ko pero plan ko din mag amp and sub in the near future just want to hear your expert opinion sa mga short listed kong speaker na pinag pipilian ko.

1. Focal PS 165
2. Polk Audio db 6501 - which is palaging nasa top ten ng best car speaker sa net
3. Soundstream SC 6T
4. Cadence XM6K

or may iba ka pang suggestion aside sa JBL? and locally available ba yang mga yan dito sa pinas? kaya bang i drive ng stereo ko yang mga yan or kailangan talaga may amp na agad ako TIA sir... BTW my budget is 12k and below... thanks again...

Toss up between the Focal and the Polk. I'm a Focal fan myself over the Polk.

[CT_HuNTeR]

Toss up between the Focal and the Polk. I'm a Focal fan myself over the Polk.

thanks for the very straight input... copy yan sir...

[ralphs]

i now wanted to dig deeper into my pocket and get me a focal ps165fx.
question is: do i have to get a premium amplifier as well to optimize its potential? or a jbl gto804ez could already do the trick?

[markygy]

i now wanted to dig deeper into my pocket and get me a focal ps165fx.
question is: do i have to get a premium amplifier as well to optimize its potential? or a jbl gto804ez could already do the trick?

The jbl amp will do just fine, but if you have the option, or if budget permits then go get a more premium amp. It's not as if hindi premium yan JBL amp na yan.

[jhnkvn]

Just stay with the JBL 804EZ. If you have cash to spare, begin pumping it on a better head unit or a processor if you don't have them yet.

[barurut]

Focal Performance ? Access Series 165 A3SG | Mickey's Autosound

Hi guys. May nakatry or nakarinig na po ba ng new focal access 3-way. the reviews i see online really doesn't tell me anything.
This looks like a promising thing.

Not sure though if its worth the effort (and money) since having pillar fabrication costs almost the same as the price of the speakers.

[jhnkvn]

Focal Performance ? Access Series 165 A3SG | Mickey's Autosound

Hi guys. May nakatry or nakarinig na po ba ng new focal access 3-way. the reviews i see online really doesn't tell me anything.
This looks like a promising thing.

Not sure though if its worth the effort (and money) since having pillar fabrication costs almost the same as the price of the speakers.

Of course it's worth the money. As long as you can tune it right that is.

There's only so much a speaker designer can do in trying to bend physics laws. That's why I would place my bet on Php30,000 3-way systems over Php80,000 2-ways given good tuning.

[bn9]

what's the difference between the "gladen audio m-line 75.4" and the "audio system m-line 75.4" ?

[ralphs]

Of course it's worth the money. As long as you can tune it right that is.

There's only so much a speaker designer can do in trying to bend physics laws. That's why I would place my bet on Php30,000 3-way systems over Php80,000 2-ways given good tuning.

Bump lang sir... Does this mean that it is better to get a Focal 165 A3 than a Focal 165 FX? I am about to buy the FX na kasi when I saw this input.. Napa-isip na naman ako. ;-)

[markygy]

Bump lang sir... Does this mean that it is better to get a Focal 165 A3 than a Focal 165 FX? I am about to buy the FX na kasi when I saw this input.. Napa-isip na naman ako. ;-)

It's hard to compare both since one is a 2way while the other is 3way. Let me try to explain in general. Usually when tuning both, a 3way set of components will give better sound linearity over a 2way type since you have a dedicated mid-range driver on a 3way set.
What is sound linearity? It's the control or balance of the high-mid-low frequencies on low to high volumes.

Still not clear? Think of it this way, a 2way component consist of a tweeter for the high frequencies and a mid-bass for the mid-bass frequencies. The tweeter and mid-bass will now have to work together to produce a good band of mid-range frequencies.
If you have a 3way set of components that comes with a dedicated mid-range then the dedicated mid-range helps the tweeter and mid-bass components. The result usually ends up with a good sound linearity. A system with good linearity will sound equally balance on low to high volumes.

Now how come the 2way Focal 165 FX is more expensive than then the Focal 3way 165A3 given that one is a 2way set while the other is a 3way set? It is simply because of the materials use that the focal 165 FX has. This then translates to better tonality.
What is tonality on speakers? It is the accuracy of a speaker to produce the natural sound of instruments.

I hope my simple explanation would help you with your decision. Remember that there is no best speakers out there, there will always be a compromise. It's how well you learn to maximize your gears that counts.

Good luck bro!

[ralphs]

It's hard to compare both since one is a 2way while the other is 3way. Let me try to explain in general. Usually when tuning both, a 3way set of components will give better sound linearity over a 2way type since you have a dedicated mid-range driver on a 3way set.
What is sound linearity? It's the control or balance of the high-mid-low frequencies on low to high volumes.

Still not clear? Think of it this way, a 2way component consist of a tweeter for the high frequencies and a mid-bass for the mid-bass frequencies. The tweeter and mid-bass will now have to work together to produce a good band of mid-range frequencies.
If you have a 3way set of components that comes with a dedicated mid-range then the dedicated mid-range helps the tweeter and mid-bass components. The result usually ends up with a good sound linearity. A system with good linearity will sound equally balance on low to high volumes.

Now how come the 2way Focal 165 FX is more expensive than then the Focal 3way 165A3 given that one is a 2way set while the other is a 3way set? It is simply because of the materials use that the focal 165 FX has. This then translates to better tonality.
What is tonality on speakers? It is the accuracy of a speaker to produce the natural sound of instruments.

I hope my simple explanation would help you with your decision. Remember that there is no best speakers out there, there will always be a compromise. It's how well you learn to maximize your gears that counts.

Good luck bro!

CLEAR! Thanks po...

[jhnkvn]

what's the difference between the "gladen audio m-line 75.4" and the "audio system m-line 75.4" ?

They are the same.

[jhnkvn]

As with markygy has stated, it's hard to compare. On an absolute sense, I believe the Focal 165AS3 (Focal Access 3-way) will outperform the 165FX (Focal Flax 2-way). Hell.. even when given a Php20,000 set of 3-ways versus a Php80,000 2-way, I'll still pick the 3-way given it's properly tuned. The main difference? Lower distortion and better dynamics.

Problem is that it will take a lot more effort in doing so. A whole lot more. And it gets expensive.

First is that it takes a heck of a longer time to tune it right. This is possibly the most prohibitive factor in installing 3-way systems. Controlling 4 drivers plus a subwoofer is a pain in the ass in its own right to get correctly. Adding two additional drivers shoots up the difficulty up by a whole lot. This is very apparent in how much big-name shops charge their clients -- some favorable clients get free tuning on a 2-way set, some get charged a minute amount (~5,000php) depending on the level of fine-tuning but when it comes to 3-way setups, nobody tunes fine-tunes it for less than 5-digits.

Second is that installing it is a whole lot more expensive. Unlike 2-way system where you can utilize your stock speaker locations, 3-way systems will require custom fabrication unless you have a car coming with a badass system (found in more expensive cars such as Jaguars). A-pillar fabrication costs are expensive -- 5,000+ in shops like Banawe but shoots to 5-digits on the bigger shops. The difference in work is apparent enough if you're the type to appreciate quality.

Aside from the fabrication work, you will also need more channels for the speaker drivers. If you're running 3-way active, you'll need 7 channels typically (6 drivers up front and 1 subwoofer), if you're running it semi-active, you'll need 5 channels and a passive crossover for the mid-high (if you're using Focal, most people use the Focal 100KRS crossover priced at 5-digits)

Then there's the matter of processing capabilities. You can tune a 2-way system by being content with a Pioneer 80PRS (16,000php), but tuning 3-ways will demand you pony up for more such as a Pioneer P99RS (38,000php). On external processors, the costs are comparable.. with 2-way capable processors costing 16,000php and 3-way processors at 30,000php.

So, when it all comes down to it. Just settle for 2-way muna. Unless you really want what a 3-way system offers you. I suggest you do listen around ;)