audio set-up for beginners [continued]

**jhnkvn** · October 19th, 2016 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by sientobente

I think the entry level Pioneer X2750BT already has enough tuning options. From Time Alignment, 13-Band Graphic EQ, Active Crossover options. Pioneer also has a higher than usual preout voltage(for future upgrades like an external amp), which is double than Alpine's. Lastly, I prefer the "fat" sounding Pioneer than the clinical Alpine.

X2850BT na ata yun latest?

I'm not too sure but I believe 2015's model was a bit problematic according to some installers as the firmware was causing too much RMA's to Pioneer.

**jhnkvn** · October 19th, 2016 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by MR_BIG18

sold the entire setup, then bought parts for my race gun, bought the utopias at 1k dollars or 24k pesos micky's price, that time it was before erap's presidency, tapos naging president sya, ayun...naging 42k bigla, buti old stock yung kay micky...i used to moderate the AI boards, early 2000s

Hi bro, this is Andrew's younger brother speaking

**jhnkvn** · October 19th, 2016 04:47 PM

Car audio in the 2000s versus the 2010s differed not too much naman. I think the primary difference is the shift from analog to digital. For example, AudioControl EQX/etc. were very popular back in the 1990s and the 2000s where time alignment was mimic'ed with the usage of independent L/R EQ and balance adjustment to trick the ears. Nowadays it's all digital -- digital crossovers, time alignment, EQ, etc.

However, the proliferation of the internet and sites such as DIYMA has largely moved car audio and acoustic theory forward busting a LOT of myths along the way. For example, a 15" subwoofer isn't necessarily faster than a 10" subwoofer -- reproducing a 40hz wave is exactly as it is: back and forth movement of 40 times a second. What is true is that it won't reach higher octaves as the cone is heavier but it exchanges that with a large surface area to push out the low's with authority.

Kick panels aren't in fashion na either. While they were all the raves before, now it's all about A-pillar installations due to.. well, can't really put up a kick panel if you have a brake pedal there (as in the case of some Hyundai's). They're also a minority too in the United States and people usually do them if they're seeking the pro's of a kick panel install. Otherwise, it's usually the easier A-pillar fabrication.

Acoustics-wise, same lang. People still attempt to throw flashband sa vehicle floor nila as a cheapo DIY deadening after all.

What I believe is the challenge is the integration of head units nowadays with processing units. I also believe the future of car audio isn't 2.1 but rather 5.1. Center speakers practically solves the imaging and staging problems of modern cars. That's why they sound incredible. I'm not even tempted to change the HU of the stock 2015 Everest. Maybe the speakers... but not the HU. The "driver" alignment is time alignment in disguise and it implements it really well.

**MR_BIG18** · October 19th, 2016 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by jhnkvn

Hi bro, this is Andrew's younger brother speaking

man, i know andrew, we used to moderate the AI boards looooong time ago, tinigil yan si andrew sa isang mall, kala bomb yung setup sa likod...pls tell him Neil says hi..

**MR_BIG18** · October 19th, 2016 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by jhnkvn

Car audio in the 2000s versus the 2010s differed not too much naman. I think the primary difference is the shift from analog to digital. For example, AudioControl EQX/etc. were very popular back in the 1990s and the 2000s where time alignment was mimic'ed with the usage of independent L/R EQ and balance adjustment to trick the ears. Nowadays it's all digital -- digital crossovers, time alignment, EQ, etc.

However, the proliferation of the internet and sites such as DIYMA has largely moved car audio and acoustic theory forward busting a LOT of myths along the way. For example, a 15" subwoofer isn't necessarily faster than a 10" subwoofer -- reproducing a 40hz wave is exactly as it is: back and forth movement of 40 times a second. What is true is that it won't reach higher octaves as the cone is heavier but it exchanges that with a large surface area to push out the low's with authority.

Kick panels aren't in fashion na either. While they were all the raves before, now it's all about A-pillar installations due to.. well, can't really put up a kick panel if you have a brake pedal there (as in the case of some Hyundai's). They're also a minority too in the United States and people usually do them if they're seeking the pro's of a kick panel install. Otherwise, it's usually the easier A-pillar fabrication.

Acoustics-wise, same lang. People still attempt to throw flashband sa vehicle floor nila as a cheapo DIY deadening after all.

What I believe is the challenge is the integration of head units nowadays with processing units. I also believe the future of car audio isn't 2.1 but rather 5.1. Center speakers practically solves the imaging and staging problems of modern cars. That's why they sound incredible. I'm not even tempted to change the HU of the stock 2015 Everest. Maybe the speakers... but not the HU. The "driver" alignment is time alignment in disguise and it implements it really well.

there is a big difference...in taste...i mostly listen to AM and podcasts....

**wakadus** · October 20th, 2016 02:39 PM

current CRV model user here. I don't want to lose my steering controls/features. Is installing a DSP the best option for me?

**ericb** · October 21st, 2016 04:07 PM

Question po. I have a 5 month old 11th Gen Altis. Iniisip ko magpakabit ng Androud HU from GrowlAudio. Mawawala ba warranty pag papapalitan ko yung Head Unit ko? Salamat po.

**jut703** · October 21st, 2016 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by ericb

Question po. I have a 5 month old 11th Gen Altis. Iniisip ko magpakabit ng Androud HU from GrowlAudio. Mawawala ba warranty pag papapalitan ko yung Head Unit ko? Salamat po.

Your electrical warranty will be voided. But your mechanical warranty should be intact. An aftermarket head unit has nothing to do with a faulty engine. [emoji12]

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**ericb** · October 21st, 2016 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by jut703

Your electrical warranty will be voided. But your mechanical warranty should be intact. An aftermarket head unit has nothing to do with a faulty engine. [emoji12]

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Hi Sir Jut, thanks for the quick response. I asked Growl Sales, they told me that the HU they have for the 11th Gen is connected through a plug and play harness (no idea about this). I'm a little hesitant of upgrading my HU if it will void the electrical warranty, worth it ba yung upgrades kung sakali? Thank you.

**jut703** · October 21st, 2016 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ericb

Hi Sir Jut, thanks for the quick response. I asked Growl Sales, they told me that the HU they have for the 11th Gen is connected through a plug and play harness (no idea about this). I'm a little hesitant of upgrading my HU if it will void the electrical warranty, worth it ba yung upgrades kung sakali? Thank you.

For me it's worth it. I also plan on getting Growl HU to have something to amuse me in traffic, once budget permits. [emoji1303]

There's not much that goes wrong with the Altis' electricals anyway...

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