audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

If you plan on powering your stock speakers on the head unit, you won't go far. Expect that your back will overpower your front.

Never a fan of coaxials. Get separate components -- midbass at the doors and use 3M double tape to mount the tweeters on your dash. Easiest way on how to "position" them is 30 degrees off-axis -- in normal language this means your left tweet should be aimed to your passenger and your right tweeter to the driver.

I'll also throw my vote with the JBL GT-5. If you think it isn't enough, get two. And no, don't get the pre-fabricated GT5-1204BR version, the bump in price is ridiculous. Just get the GT5-12 driver and ask your installer to fabricate a box on it. Is space a premium and you simply want to enhance the bass? If then so, 1 cu.ft sealed would do it.

Take markgy's advice. 4-channel amplifier -- 2 channels for the front speakers, and 2 channels bridged for the subwoofer. This is usually your typical "step 1" setup for most people.

[sleepyantz]

If you plan on powering your stock speakers on the head unit, you won't go far. Expect that your back will overpower your front.

Never a fan of coaxials. Get separate components -- midbass at the doors and use 3M double tape to mount the tweeters on your dash. Easiest way on how to "position" them is 30 degrees off-axis -- in normal language this means your left tweet should be aimed to your passenger and your right tweeter to the driver.

I'll also throw my vote with the JBL GT-5. If you think it isn't enough, get two. And no, don't get the pre-fabricated GT5-1204BR version, the bump in price is ridiculous. Just get the GT5-12 driver and ask your installer to fabricate a box on it. Is space a premium and you simply want to enhance the bass? If then so, 1 cu.ft sealed would do it.

Take markgy's advice. 4-channel amplifier -- 2 channels for the front speakers, and 2 channels bridged for the subwoofer. This is usually your typical "step 1" setup for most people.

Thanks for the advice sir, I went to our local shop here and i decided to get 2 sets of coaxials, and got the new 2013 kicker comp d 12" dual voice coil powered by the sound magus dk600 wired at 2ohms. the coaxials were powered by the hu, which is a toyota oem (panasonic), i asked the installer to make me a box, i think based on the measurements and rockford fosgate box wizard, its a 1.0 cu ft ported box. I was thinking of adding an amp for the speakers and upgrade the front to separates and leave the back speakers as a "filler". Still have to save some money though, but for what i currently have, im very happy with it.

Ask lang din ako regarding sa box. according to the manufacturer's minimum volume for ported box design is 1.75 cu ft, my current box is around 1.0 cu ft, how would it affect the sound of my bass or would it improve the sq or spl or anything, if i had a bigger box. My initial plan was to have 2.5 cu ft ported box based on manufacturer's maximum recommended volume, however the installer made otherwise. Im really new to this car audio thing, i had only researched as much as i could and this is my first hand experience with this.

[sleepyantz]

*sleep,
1. Yes it will be enough but chances are the loud volume of the subs might over power the sound from the coaxials.
2. Yes
3. The JBL subs.

I suggest get a 4 channel amp. to power 1 set of either coaxials or components for the front and a sub on the rear. No need to add speakers on the rear.

Thanks for your advice sir, im planning to add an amp to power the speakers, not sure what amp though. im checking us online shops since my cousin is going to us for a month and i could ask her to get me an amp. maybe it'll wait though, had to save some cash. thanks again!

[jhnkvn]

Ask lang din ako regarding sa box. according to the manufacturer's minimum volume for ported box design is 1.75 cu ft, my current box is around 1.0 cu ft, how would it affect the sound of my bass or would it improve the sq or spl or anything, if i had a bigger box. My initial plan was to have 2.5 cu ft ported box based on manufacturer's maximum recommended volume, however the installer made otherwise. Im really new to this car audio thing, i had only researched as much as i could and this is my first hand experience with this.

The Rockford Box wizard will only tell you how to construct your box. Computing your ideal box on the otherhand needs more parameters.

For quick calculations, I like DIYAudio's box calculator: Speaker Box Enclosure Designer / Calculator

As you can see there, there are a few parameters you need to throw at it. The more important ones are the Qts and the Qtc. If I were to summarize it, these are subwoofer parameters that will tell you whether your subwoofer driver is designed for sealed or ported enclosures and what will the optimum box design and volume you will need. The Fb is the ported tuned frequency.. this is the frequency where the ported box is at its loudest -- a very common frequency is 38hz.

Okay, ano ang negative effects if you constructed the box wrongly? Alot of stuff really as your subwoofer performance is highly dependent on its enclosure. You see, you're not really required to follow the manufacturer's specifications because (in these ported box scenarios) your box volume will differ depending on its tuning. If your manual is wanting 38hz and your installer wants to tune it higher and make the box smaller, that's his call.

What would a bigger box usually get you? Efficiency. If your subwoofer cone's maximum one-way travel (remember that your cone bounces up and down during music playback) is achieved with 500W of power. Making the box larger will make you achieve the same output with a lot less output.. let's say 200W.

Hope this helps,
Kevin

[wezz_zzew]

thanks jhnkvn & wezz.
unfortunately i think im not yet prepared to tinker with a car so
i've asked a quotation from mickys autosound and it's 4.5k for
the front doors only....a bit expensive???

4.5k for the front doors only? I was able to cover the trunk, hood, two front doors and trunk side panels using 6 sheets of deadening and it only cost 900 pesos plus the heat gun which cost around 2k. Since hindi mo naman yata ilalaban ng competition yan, better DIY na lang. Ang gusto mo lang naman siguro eh maganda ang "bayo" nung pinapatugtog mo. IMHO lang naman.


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[n5110]

Hello sir jhnkvn,
Ask lang ako ng expert opinion niyo. nag upgrade kasi ako to innova 2009 with stock 2DIN HU and all stock speakers. walang kwenta ang tunog kumpara sa dati kong system sa kotse na may Blaupunkt 550RPD + victor 6x9 na 3 way rear and pioneer 3way sa front. very basic lang ang set up pero kuntento na ako sa ganitong tunog lang.
First i want to change only the stock speakers sa front and rear sana with separates since may provision naman ang innova for the tweeter dome. I want to keep the stock HU muna since wala pa akong budget dito. may mga inputs na for tipid meals ok ok na ang ryan audio.
Ang benchmark ko lang is yung old setup ko which is good enough sa akin. not really aiming for high end and competition level sound system. What would you recommend po given this conditions.
Im from the south, las pinas, alabang ang area ko. Any shops you can recommend na malapit sa akin? Thanks in advance

[jhnkvn]

Hello sir jhnkvn,
Ask lang ako ng expert opinion niyo. nag upgrade kasi ako to innova 2009 with stock 2DIN HU and all stock speakers. walang kwenta ang tunog kumpara sa dati kong system sa kotse na may Blaupunkt 550RPD + victor 6x9 na 3 way rear and pioneer 3way sa front. very basic lang ang set up pero kuntento na ako sa ganitong tunog lang.
First i want to change only the stock speakers sa front and rear sana with separates since may provision naman ang innova for the tweeter dome. I want to keep the stock HU muna since wala pa akong budget dito. may mga inputs na for tipid meals ok ok na ang ryan audio.
Ang benchmark ko lang is yung old setup ko which is good enough sa akin. not really aiming for high end and competition level sound system. What would you recommend po given this conditions.
Im from the south, las pinas, alabang ang area ko. Any shops you can recommend na malapit sa akin? Thanks in advance

If then so do it step-by-step: get separates to the front muna. See if you are contented with the change. Yes? Then I suggest you stop there and start saving funds for a 4-channel amplifier and a subwoofer. Even a small subwoofer will do wonders in improving your everyday commute. Who doesn't like bass ba?

Sadly, wala ako kaya i-recommend. Since taga North ako, masmay alam ako dito. The only shop I know at the South is Musico Mobile Audio -- and their target market are the more affluent ones na.

[n5110]

If then so do it step-by-step: get separates to the front muna. See if you are contented with the change. Yes? Then I suggest you stop there and start saving funds for a 4-channel amplifier and a subwoofer. Even a small subwoofer will do wonders in improving your everyday commute. Who doesn't like bass ba?

Sadly, wala ako kaya i-recommend. Since taga North ako, masmay alam ako dito. The only shop I know at the South is Musico Mobile Audio -- and their target market are the more affluent ones na.

Hi sir. Thanks sa input niyo. Plan to go this route first at tama ka kung hinde ako ma satisfied eh go to next step. What type of speaker would you recommend sa rear if i will change the front with separates type? Salamat ulit

[jhnkvn]

Just get coaxials sa likod. It's a bit weird to have separates at the rears kasi.

For the brands, depends on your budget. I typically like Targa and Ryan Audio naman. They're excellent at their budget offerings.

[renzo_d10]

John, kamusta ang Teac?

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[jhnkvn]

They've lately been quite aggressive sa car audio budget offerings nila. Saw a lot of them sa Banawe but I haven't heard of one pa.

I don't think you'll go wrong with them naman. TEAC's a known brand naman when it comes to the audio industry. While the likes of Harman's JBL was more focused on consumer goods (home speakers, pro-audio speakers, etc.) si TEAC more on the recording industry. They were very famous before.. I guess since masnawala na mga magnetic tapes, they've become less known na.

[n5110]

Just get coaxials sa likod. It's a bit weird to have separates at the rears kasi.

For the brands, depends on your budget. I typically like Targa and Ryan Audio naman. They're excellent at their budget offerings.

Thanks sir for the inputs. Ganito na muna ang step na gagawin ko. Hopefully may significant change in sq pag palit ko sa stock speakers.

[CT_HuNTeR]

*jhnkvn and to all our gurus here mga sir can you give me some advised? i have a honda city 09 with stock sound set up, and i'm planning to upgrade the system but the problem is of-course ang budget, just want to know which is which ang magandang uunahin kong i upgrade ang seps or head unit? for a seps balak ko sana yung DLS RS6N and for the HU is yung pioneer avh-x1650dvd or avh-x2650BT one at a time lang kasi ang kaya ko hehe or may ma advise ba kayo na mas ok na brand ng seps budget ko kasi sa seps is 10k only kung mas mataas pa dun baka dikona makaya hehe... TIA

[jhnkvn]

*jhnkvn and to all our gurus here mga sir can you give me some advised? i have a honda city 09 with stock sound set up, and i'm planning to upgrade the system but the problem is of-course ang budget, just want to know which is which ang magandang uunahin kong i upgrade ang seps or head unit? for a seps balak ko sana yung DLS RS6N and for the HU is yung pioneer avh-x1650dvd or avh-x2650BT one at a time lang kasi ang kaya ko hehe or may ma advise ba kayo na mas ok na brand ng seps budget ko kasi sa seps is 10k only kung mas mataas pa dun baka dikona makaya hehe... TIA

Generally, a speaker upgrade will yield better results than a head unit upgrade. Of course, YMMV kasi dito since some stock head units sound horrible (they restrict the sound a lot) and that upgrading it first may yield better results. But given that most stock head units nowadays are of better quality na, my vote will go to a speaker upgrade muna.

May balak ka ba mag-amplifier? If not, I'll suggest lowering your budget to around the 7k mark. I've gotten more strict in my budgetary requirements na wherein before I will suggest a ceiling of 10,000php for non-amplified systems, nowadays I will limit it to 7,000php.

As some of you might have noticed, I'm a fan of JBL's 609C because at 5,000php I find it of tremendous value. Speaker construction palang panalo na. But if you insist, the RS6N won't disappoint din naman. If you're also into the more "upscale" brands, you can also check out Morel's entry-level Maximo 6 at around 7,000php (nagtaas na presyo nila lahat thanks to inflation).

For the head unit, pick one that fits your needs and budget. If you need Bluetooth, then get a model that has one. Parehas lang sound quality nila lahat -- what simply differs are the features (better screen, etc.).

After installation, fiddle with the EQ afterwards. Just tailor it according to your taste. Need more bass? Then a +1 or +2dB to the bass regions (50hz to 300hz) would be nice.

[CT_HuNTeR]

Generally, a speaker upgrade will yield better results than a head unit upgrade. Of course, YMMV kasi dito since some stock head units sound horrible (they restrict the sound a lot) and that upgrading it first may yield better results. But given that most stock head units nowadays are of better quality na, my vote will go to a speaker upgrade muna.

May balak ka ba mag-amplifier? If not, I'll suggest lowering your budget to around the 7k mark. I've gotten more strict in my budgetary requirements na wherein before I will suggest a ceiling of 10,000php for non-amplified systems, nowadays I will limit it to 7,000php.

As some of you might have noticed, I'm a fan of JBL's 609C because at 5,000php I find it of tremendous value. Speaker construction palang panalo na. But if you insist, the RS6N won't disappoint din naman. If you're also into the more "upscale" brands, you can also check out Morel's entry-level Maximo 6 at around 7,000php (nagtaas na presyo nila lahat thanks to inflation).

For the head unit, pick one that fits your needs and budget. If you need Bluetooth, then get a model that has one. Parehas lang sound quality nila lahat -- what simply differs are the features (better screen, etc.).

After installation, fiddle with the EQ afterwards. Just tailor it according to your taste. Need more bass? Then a +1 or +2dB to the bass regions (50hz to 300hz) would be nice.

i came to the right person talaga sir very clear ang ang mga inputs mo and very helpful, yes sir plan ko din mag sub basta 1 at a time nga lang so kung mag sub ako sooner mas ok naba yung RS6N or mag JBL or morel na lang ako sir kasi sir syempre gusto ko isang bilihan lang pero kung ok na yung JBL sir pag nag sub ako i'll go for JBL na lang BTW sir san ako makabili ng JBL? and another question sir how about Rockford fosgate na P165s anong masasabi mo dun sir saka may supplier ba nun dito sa atin? saka sir pag speaker upgrade lang ba muna kailangan ko na rin mag pa deadening thanks again sir appreciated...

[jhnkvn]

i came to the right person talaga sir very clear ang ang mga inputs mo and very helpful, yes sir plan ko din mag sub basta 1 at a time nga lang so kung mag sub ako sooner mas ok naba yung RS6N or mag JBL or morel na lang ako sir kasi sir syempre gusto ko isang bilihan lang pero kung ok na yung JBL sir pag nag sub ako i'll go for JBL na lang BTW sir san ako makabili ng JBL? and another question sir how about Rockford fosgate na P165s anong masasabi mo dun sir saka may supplier ba nun dito sa atin? saka sir pag speaker upgrade lang ba muna kailangan ko na rin mag pa deadening thanks again sir appreciated...

Personally, I'll go for the JBL. This leaves you more cash for your budget that you can budget for other components. JBL's local distributor is Perfect Circle of Banawe. You can purchase your needs directly through them or through their resellers (call them up with your location so they know where to point you to their nearest reseller).

On the otherhand, Rockford Fosgate's local distributor is Winterpine Marketing in Araneta Avenue. They're also the distributor of DLS and Kicker products.

Yun problema kasi for "budget" components is that there's not much difference in picking on them. 95% of the products uses either plastic polypropylene or paper in speaker construction and a metal/fabric tweeter for the highs. Between paper and plastic, usually plastic since it's low cost and easy to manufacture without much variation from driver to driver (for their QA). On the otherhand, paper is also low cost but more problematic (ex. they absorb moisture in the air so nagiiba tunog nila over time if untreated) for manufacturers.

Speaker selection shines once you start going for the 10,000php upwards. Dito nakikita mo na mga R&D ng mga speaker manufacturers such as Focal's glass/paper "polyglass" sandwiches, JBL subwoofer GTi's underhung motors with differential drive design, Morel's carbon fiber Rohacell sandwiches, etc. Aside from these meron din mga tweaks dyan-dyan like using more expensive neodymium over the common ferrite magnets, the use of aluminum voice coils and non-magnetic baskets, etc.

Do you need deadening? Not really but I do suggest it. Improvements differs from car-to-car kasi... but it might be a good idea for you to "experience" it. No harm there naman. You can backread the thread a bit on what deadening's benefits are.

[CT_HuNTeR]

Personally, I'll go for the JBL. This leaves you more cash for your budget that you can budget for other components. JBL's local distributor is Perfect Circle of Banawe. You can purchase your needs directly through them or through their resellers (call them up with your location so they know where to point you to their nearest reseller).

On the otherhand, Rockford Fosgate's local distributor is Winterpine Marketing in Araneta Avenue. They're also the distributor of DLS and Kicker products.

Yun problema kasi for "budget" components is that there's not much difference in picking on them. 95% of the products uses either plastic polypropylene or paper in speaker construction and a metal/fabric tweeter for the highs. Between paper and plastic, usually plastic since it's low cost and easy to manufacture without much variation from driver to driver (for their QA). On the otherhand, paper is also low cost but more problematic (ex. they absorb moisture in the air so nagiiba tunog nila over time if untreated) for manufacturers.

Speaker selection shines once you start going for the 10,000php upwards. Dito nakikita mo na mga R&D ng mga speaker manufacturers such as Focal's glass/paper "polyglass" sandwiches, JBL subwoofer GTi's underhung motors with differential drive design, Morel's carbon fiber Rohacell sandwiches, etc. Aside from these meron din mga tweaks dyan-dyan like using more expensive neodymium over the common ferrite magnets, the use of aluminum voice coils and non-magnetic baskets, etc.

Do you need deadening? Not really but I do suggest it. Improvements differs from car-to-car kasi... but it might be a good idea for you to "experience" it. No harm there naman. You can backread the thread a bit on what deadening's benefits are.

wow thanks for enlightening me sir para kang si sakuragi isa kang henyo when it comes to ICE i supposed marami ka pang alam sa car di lang sa sounds galing boss may fb kaba sir add kita husay mo eh haha...

[jhnkvn]

wow thanks for enlightening me sir para kang si sakuragi isa kang henyo when it comes to ICE i supposed marami ka pang alam sa car di lang sa sounds galing boss may fb kaba sir add kita husay mo eh haha...

Haha, thanks for the compliments boss. However, I'll need to decline the FB request on the basis that I add only people I'm quite close to.

Feel free to post any more questions if you have them ;) dumaan din ako sa newbie stage so alam ko yun feeling kung may nagtatanong tpos wala sumasagot

[X-salta]

Haha, thanks for the compliments boss. However, I'll need to decline the FB request on the basis that I add only people I'm quite close to.

Feel free to post any more questions if you have them ;) dumaan din ako sa newbie stage so alam ko yun feeling kung may nagtatanong tpos wala sumasagot

Panalo ka talaga sir!

[ralphs]

I plan to upgrade my Innova's soung system.
I currently have:
Front: 6" 2-way Pioneer 40w rms
Rear: 6" x 9" 3-way Pioneer 40w rms

I plan to buy:
HEADUNIT
JVC 2-din KW R600BT
20w rms x 4
2.5v x 2 pre-outs (front + rear/subs)

SUBWOOFER:
I prefer powered subs for less hassle.

I am not looking forward to have a boom boom pow sound system but I like a clean, deep, smooth and swabe output from my set-up.

QUESTIONS:
1- What could be the best subwoofer to get? (the smaller the better)
2- Do I still need seps and a separate ampli for it?

I can spend around 15k for the speakers and ampli.

Maraming salamat po.