audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[Lzarellano]

Mayenclosure design para sa likod ng rear seat ng pickup ung 8" swak na swak even 10's. DD masisiyahan ka na.


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Well kung mabitin ako sa 8" shallow ittry ko yan. A friend of mine will be selling his sub na 8" for a very low price (ata). So ayun try ko nalang muna baka naman swak na hehe. Btw ill be buying a 2nd hand sonus enigma amp tomorrow. I know how to tune and all pero hindi ko alam yung sa wirings etc. May nakakabit na sakin ngayon 4ch rin na generic amp. Same lang kaya ng wirings yun? Parang ililipat ko lang yung cables ganun? If hindi or pag hindi lang sya ganun ka simple, punta nalang ako sa car audio shop at ipakabit ko nalang.

[joey36b]

Kung 4ch amp pareho mlamang same lang, sonus kabisado ni sir jhnkvn dont know lang kung ano connector if rca din


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[Lzarellano]

Kung 4ch amp pareho mlamang same lang, sonus kabisado ni sir jhnkvn dont know lang kung ano connector if rca din


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Oh okay thanks sir joey36b!
Finally decided nako sa amp(sana makuha ko na bukas) and sa deadening. May iba pa ba kayo ma suggest na ok na 2way seps around 12k php? (aside from DLS/Focal) Gusto ko yung sound ng DLS reference pero baka may iba pa po kayo alam na mas ok? Para ma try ko rin. and sa cables, generic kasi ata rin nakakbit sakin or audiomax ata yun di ko sure. Sulit ba yung 5k na gagastusin para mag upgrade sa stinger? Or wag na? Thanks

[jhnkvn]

*Lzarellano
Re: Cables
For the speaker and RCA cables, you don't need to restrict yourself to traditional "car audio" speaker and RCA cables. You can opt to look for home audio RCAs and speaker cables to broaden your choices. My philosophy in this? Thicker Cables = Better Cables. The brand name is just to assure you that their 99.99% copper isn't 85% copper and 15% ****.

Just remember that you don't want it to be so thick that you have trouble routing it over the car's chassis. And yes, the Sonus also has analog inputs that accommodates RCA connections. Almost all or more than 95% of the amplifiers out on the market accepts RCA connectors naman ;) it's the de-facto standard in analog audio connections.

Re: Deadeners
The reason why I would like to opt for the cheapest butyl deadener is because the science of expensive deadeners don't make any sense given that they're the same density and thickness. Sound waves do not interact directly with the deadening material as sound waves bounce off your plastic panel unless your car is nude inside and the only way the material will interact is indirectly: (1) through the reduction of ambient sound (for example: how foam and butyl rubber "blocks" sound is different) and by reducing the panel's vibration frequency through adding weight (all it cares about is weight: you can pour concrete if you want to).

The only reason why I advocate butyl is because it won't melt like goo unlike asphalt based deadeners. If you're annoyed by asphalt clinging to your car's paint, think of it na "bits" lang yun. What more if you have a kilogram of them inside your door.

Re: Active Crossovers
Old school SQ boys often use a 31-band EQ L/R (ex. a AudioControl EQX) to delay and EQ their speakers ack when time alignment and digital EQ was still in its infancy. I used to have them but has since given it a friend. The problem in using them is that tuning them is leaps more complicated and this is why I won't recommend them for the modern day user. For one, most of them have the EQ at the back. This makes tuning them a back-and-forth process and that affects one's sound judgement. Not only that but they also add another "problem" in the signal chain and they're prime culprits in causing ground loops and whines (for incorrect installations).


*crazy_boy
Engine whine. That's a bitch to fix so it's best to let the CASA do it since they'll be tearing it down. In a nutshell, a cable "somewhere" is being affected. I'll especially look at the coaxial connection between the HU and the amplifier.


*ninjababez
Re: Amp at Rear Deck
Hmm, not the first time I've seen one to be honest. I don't see a problem with it if you have a tint and normally park your car over at the shade but I'll raise the NO flag if you're running it without tints and expose it to the sun. While amplifiers don't mind running at high temperatures (mine's like.. 70-80 degrees Celsius at any time), a closed cabin + direct sunlight + metal chassis doesn't bode well for any electronic device. In short, just cover it and you can throw it at your rear.

There's also some cons in bolting your amplifier on your subwoofer box. Specifically, the vibration it entails.


Re: Subwoofer Bouncing
Clamp it down. Most car audio installs involve drilling it and clamping it to the car's chassis.

[Lzarellano]

[QUOTE=jhnkvn;2822003]*Lzarellano
Re: Cables
For the speaker and RCA cables, you don't need to restrict yourself to traditional "car audio" speaker and RCA cables. You can opt to look for home audio RCAs and speaker cables to broaden your choices. My philosophy in this? Thicker Cables = Better Cables. The brand name is just to assure you that their 99.99% copper isn't 85% copper and 15% ****.

Just remember that you don't want it to be so thick that you have trouble routing it over the car's chassis. And yes, the Sonus also has analog inputs that accommodates RCA connections. Almost all or more than 95% of the amplifiers out on the market accepts RCA connectors naman ;) it's the de-facto standard in analog audio connections.

Re: Deadeners
The reason why I would like to opt for the cheapest butyl deadener is because the science of expensive deadeners don't make any sense given that they're the same density and thickness. Sound waves do not interact directly with the deadening material as sound waves bounce off your plastic panel unless your car is nude inside and the only way the material will interact is indirectly: (1) through the reduction of ambient sound (for example: how foam and butyl rubber "blocks" sound is different) and by reducing the panel's vibration frequency through adding weight (all it cares about is weight: you can pour concrete if you want to).

The only reason why I advocate butyl is because it won't melt like goo unlike asphalt based deadeners. If you're annoyed by asphalt clinging to your car's paint, think of it na "bits" lang yun. What more if you have a kilogram of them inside your door.

Re: Active Crossovers
Old school SQ boys often use a 31-band EQ L/R (ex. a AudioControl EQX) to delay and EQ their speakers ack when time alignment and digital EQ was still in its infancy. I used to have them but has since given it a friend. The problem in using them is that tuning them is leaps more complicated and this is why I won't recommend them for the modern day user. For one, most of them have the EQ at the back. This makes tuning them a back-and-forth process and that affects one's sound judgement. Not only that but they also add another "problem" in the signal chain and they're prime culprits in causing ground loops and whines (for incorrect installations).


Thanks sir jhnkvn, clear na talaga now yung sa cables and deadeners (kahit ilang beses na ko nag backread sa thread na to haha) Yung kailangan ko po sana na crossover ay para lang sa HPF at LPF ng mids at tweeters. Meron po kasi sa HU ko ng ganun pero walang LPF yung front at rear channel tapos hanggang 200hz lang sya. Yung concern ko nga lang sa electronic crossover is baka nga yung prob sa signal. So ibig sabihin pass nalang sa active crossover? At mas ok na mag DSP nalang talaga? If ganun stick nalang muna ako sa passive na setup hehe no budget para sa DSP ) Yung recommended kasi sa seps na bibilhin ko ay gawing active dahil wide yung tweeter (DLS rz6.2)

[joey36b]

Dls or focal hindi kana magkakamali jan hehe mahilig ako sa malakas eh kaya titingin ako sa rms kung alin ang atleast 120rms at dun ako sa amp na atleast 100rms per channel at 4ohms. Type ko pagnadinig ko ung kumakanta at nkapikit ako eh parang nandun ako sa lalamunan nya hahaha na hindi masakit sa tenga. May konting alam ako na basehan para mailabas mo ang ganda ng isang speaker component or subwoofer dapat ang amplifier mo ay 150% ang rms nya.


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[joey36b]

About cables kung maybudget why not stinger kung bitin eh hanap ng 700 petot na rca mataba at mlaki ang wire s loob pwede na sa akin lol


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[joey36b]

Positive wire na gauge 4 para maganda bigay ng current sa amp. 35 petot per foot ang nabili ko malaki ang loob hindi ang insulation hehe


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[joey36b]

Polk fan ako kaya straight lahat mula amp maski alam ko masmaganda dls at focal hehe ngayon chopsuey na nasunog polk 5000.5 dko alam nasusunog na pla sa trunk hehe kasi 75.4 at 200 mono para sa 1240. Malinis kaso hirap pagmatagalan overheat ang kalaban mo sayang ang amp.


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[joey36b]

May sinunod ako na idea ni sir jhnkvn about ported enclosure. Tinangal ko ung mm1240 na sealed at nagpalit ako ng DD 10" vented, puno ang cabin ng auto at masaya na ko hehe
Diy deaden doors and trunk audiomax 5.4k per box, 9sheets ang laman.


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[joey36b]

Ingat sa focal ang daming fake nagkalat eh. Better wait sa inputs ng mga guru's dito before you buy kung ano titingnan mo untrained ears pa naman tayo hehe


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[Lzarellano]

Sa kid audio ako nagpakabit ng cables/fuse nun e siguro naman di lang basta basta nilagay sakin noon haha. Gusto ko rin talaga sana polk na sub. 3k lang binebenta sakin ng tropa ko yung polkmm840 eh. Kaso masikip talaga yung likod ng navara kumpara sa ibang pickup. Shallow talaga dapat isalpak daw dun sabi nung kid audio. Pati ok na talaga siguro ako underseat, kawawa naman yung sasakay sa likod puro sub lang maririnig pag naglagay ako sub sa likod haha wala na kasi ako balak mag lagay rear fills di pasok sa budget ) Bali DLS reference, Sonus enigma, StP Black, Pioneer premier 8" na final ko. Bali alpine 148bt nakakabit sakin ngayon na HU, at pag nagkabudget pa mag upgrade na rin ako cables sa stinger or sonus Makukuha ko na enigma mamaya hehe ka excite.

[joey36b]

Sa kid audio ako nagpakabit ng cables/fuse nun e siguro naman di lang basta basta nilagay sakin noon haha. Gusto ko rin talaga sana polk na sub. 3k lang binebenta sakin ng tropa ko yung polkmm840 eh. Kaso masikip talaga yung likod ng navara kumpara sa ibang pickup. Shallow talaga dapat isalpak daw dun sabi nung kid audio. Pati ok na talaga siguro ako underseat, kawawa naman yung sasakay sa likod puro sub lang maririnig pag naglagay ako sub sa likod haha wala na kasi ako balak mag lagay rear fills di pasok sa budget ) Bali DLS reference, Sonus enigma, StP Black, Pioneer premier 8" na final ko. Bali alpine 148bt nakakabit sakin ngayon na HU, at pag nagkabudget pa mag upgrade na rin ako cables sa stinger or sonus Makukuha ko na enigma mamaya hehe ka excite.

Ayos sir!


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[ninjababez]

mga bros may nakasubok na lagyan yung abang na rear speakers sa likod? without additional box, tipong screw ko lang doon?
medyo need ko kasi space sa likod for cargo minsan, medyo hassle yung uninstall and reinstall ng 12" sub box. di ko naman need malakas ng bass, yun tama lang sa cabin yun tunog. ok lang ba magiging tunog, since magiging box nya eh yun buong trunk? thanks!

vios 2006 lang pala yun auto

[sientobente]

mga bros may nakasubok na lagyan yung abang na rear speakers sa likod? without additional box, tipong screw ko lang doon?
medyo need ko kasi space sa likod for cargo minsan, medyo hassle yung uninstall and reinstall ng 12" sub box. di ko naman need malakas ng bass, yun tama lang sa cabin yun tunog. ok lang ba magiging tunog, since magiging box nya eh yun buong trunk? thanks!

vios 2006 lang pala yun auto

6x9 na speaker idol? usually 3-way yang mga ganyan, so you still have to have a crossover to cancel out frequencies outside of the lower range. Plus iba pa din impact ng dedicated sub. Maybe get a smaller sub box. Like a sealed one para space saving. Ganyan ginawa ko sa Swift.


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[joey36b]

mga bros may nakasubok na lagyan yung abang na rear speakers sa likod? without additional box, tipong screw ko lang doon?
medyo need ko kasi space sa likod for cargo minsan, medyo hassle yung uninstall and reinstall ng 12" sub box. di ko naman need malakas ng bass, yun tama lang sa cabin yun tunog. ok lang ba magiging tunog, since magiging box nya eh yun buong trunk? thanks!

vios 2006 lang pala yun auto

Pwede rin sir, gawin mong mdf ung rear speaker board then salpak ng sub for free-air na specs. Nuong 80's up to mid 90's ganyan lang karamihan happy na lahat [emoji847][emoji847]

Wait mga guru's natin kung anong sub ang pwede sa ganyang setup now


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[crazy_boy]

Questions mga sir

Car: Hyundai Genesis
Sound system: Everything stock (with amplifier)
Issue: hissing sound that increases with the vehicle rpm.

What to check? Thanks in advance


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[benchman]

Questions mga sir

Car: Hyundai Genesis
Sound system: Everything stock (with amplifier)
Issue: hissing sound that increases with the vehicle rpm.

What to check? Thanks in advance


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look for the grounding points both the amp and HU, poor body/chassis contact maybe.
transferring to a much solid panel fixes it sometimes.

edit:
RCA cables running along side with the amp's power cable causes noise too.

[mongze]

Ask ko lang may panasonic HU ako at 6x9 oval last 2009 pa di ko pa naikabit. Yung 6x9 nasa car ko but no wire pa dummy lang.

Baka sira na kaya for not using both brandnew naman di ko pa mainstall

[joey36b]

Ask ko lang may panasonic HU ako at 6x9 oval last 2009 pa di ko pa naikabit. Yung 6x9 nasa car ko but no wire pa dummy lang.

Baka sira na kaya for not using both brandnew naman di ko pa mainstall

Hindi naman siguro wag lang mag-expire ung edge, mine here 8 or 9 yrs ng gumagana ok pa naman malambot lang suspension.


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