audio set-up for beginners (ARCHIVED)

[james0207]

cno po my alam kng mgkano to? dd9515f
thanks ulit :P

[ammad]

2512a dvc4,, anong wiring ang available dito? dapat ba ang lalabas eh *2ohms or *4ohms or *1ohm sa amp?

[v6dreamer]

mga bossing,

ask ko lang po kung may paraan para makaroon ng auxilliary yng HU ko. yung unit ko nga pala ay alpine cdm 7871R. gusto ko po sana i connect yung mp3 player ko. meron po bang ganoon o kailangan ko na talaga mag palit ng HU na may auxilliary?

kung meron po e baka pwedeng malamn kun pano gagawin o kung san makabili o magpapagawa kung pwede po e magkano na din.

salamat po..

Some stereos have the iPod controls built in and a require and adapter cable to connect the iPod.

In your case, you'll need an EXTERNAL CONTROL BOXES. The iPod controls are housed in an outboard box that connects to the stereo and iPod. This is the most common option for aftermarket stereos and a usual method of controlling an iPod with a factory stereo.

[v6dreamer]

* jojan anong magandang capacitor.

With your setup for using 2 L7 12" SoloBaric definitely you'll need a Capacitor. You've got a heavy duty car audio system with multiple Amps, but the headlights dim every time the bass hits. A capacitors ensure that your system gets a steady supply of power for maximum performance, and acts as a stabilizer between amps and car electrical system. A capacitor stores current for instant release when short bursts of energy needed to produce loud, deep bass notes.

Always remember that to power your speakers and subs, your amplifiers has to draw current from your car electrical system. The higher the wattage of your amps, the more current it needs to draw, and the larger the power cables need to be. Wires that are too small inhibit current flow parang tubo ng tubig na kapag maliit mailiit din ang bigay. So if you want your music flowing loudly and clearly, make sure you wires a big enough to handle your amps demand.

[KrisKros]

22o ba po ba na ung 12" targa "sub" 2.3k?
quote ng danz autoshop sa taytay, rizal.....

Usually only 2k lang. I got mine at 2k at Araneta Car Accessories.
In Cavite, only 2k for 12" Targa DVC4. Targa subs good! Bang for the buck talaga. Some cars at DB drags even use Targas. and get pretty damn good results. I saw some pics of 2x12 Targas powered by only a 1507 get 150decibels

[james0207]

sirs what amp will i use if 2x12 targa? any recommendation?

[v6dreamer]

sirs what amp will i use if 2x12 targa? any recommendation?

I would suggest you to used mono amps since this is dedicated only to low pass. Perhaps, two channel amps bridge . 150 watts RMS will do.

[james0207]

sir! wat kind of box pla pra sa 2x12 targa? spl sna hehe :D
and wat brand of mono amp will i buy for that 2ch 150w rms?

thanks ulit! ang bait mo tlga sobraaaa! v6dreamer

[v6dreamer]

You need a type 3 box, like jojan had. Type 3 box is big and heavy(see jojan civic) but it can be ported or sealed. Used ported box if you want RAP music or HEAVY METAL for more louder boom and used sealed box for more deeper bass if your music like Barry Manilow or Rey Valera etc. Dont forget polly-fill box stuffing can help your subwoofer box sound better by reducing undesirable resonance. Used 1 Lb of stuffing per cubic foot of internal volume.

Mono Amps: MTX Thunder 300XD
Specs: 200 X 1 RMS power * 14.4 Volts/ 300 X 1 RMS power * 2 ohms/ Bass boost db 12/ wiring is 4 gauge.

Mono Amps: Kicker ZX400.1
Specs: 200 X 1 RMS power * 14.4 Volts/ 400 X 1 RMS power 2 * ohms/ Bass boost db 0-18/ wiring is 4 gauge.

SPL is SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL, also referred to as efficiency, measured in decibels (db). The higher the number, the more efficient the SUB is at turning power into sounds, and the louder it plays.

Example: 12" Subs brand name and SPL.

INFINITY KAPPA 122.7w---------------92 SPL
KICKER SOLO BARIC L7----------------88.84 SPL
PIONEER TS-W301R-------------------91 SPL
RF Punch Stage 3 shallow 4 ohms------86 SPL

Now find out what is the SPL on that Targa.

[james0207]

sir box for hip-hop po ba ported n snail?
wag naman sana ma occupy buong trunk ko.. mhi-hirapan aq sa spare tire

targa 12" x-120 svc/dvc-----90 "http://www.daiichi.ph/"

tnx sir! nda-dagdagan nnmn nalalaman ko! bait m tlga :D

[KrisKros]

I have a Snail shell. It produces really really low booms. The thing about the snail shell, is that it's HUGE.. 33x13.5x18 over 3cubic feet. but it produces great boom. If you go ported, you can get a customized round ported or slot port for the price of a snail shell.

If you go 2x12 Targas...you can say goodby to trunk space hehe. Each sub requires 2.5cubic feet at least!..for ported. So 2 would be at least 5cubic feet. But if you do go 2 12" Targas, you'd be spending most of your money on a good amp to power both..though a V12 1507 or Thunder Audio 4100 will do..if you're on an SPL budget like me hehehe. Then if you rear fire it...you're going to need sound deadening since you're going to get heavy trunk rattle which is very disturbing. I suggest try auditioning 1x12 Targa in a snail or ported. 1 12" Targa is pretty good na, and will make you grin.

Here's a pic of my trunk showing the gap between the box itself and the rear.


And here's my box front firing..I do front since it minimizes my trunk rattle by 90%. As you can see, my trunk space is already gone with 3+cuft occupies

[james0207]

sir kriskros thank you very much for the info!

btw how much would it cost me for sound deadening? my car is toyota gli
will it take "days" in sound deadening?

is there any way not to say gudbye to my trunk if i want 2x12 targa..? also want my backseat lol :P
if this happens.... where d hell m i suppost to put my spare tire?

mind if i ask u what's ur sub in the pic? gs2 ko tlga sana gumagapang hehehehe

[v6dreamer]

Kriskros is right.

Building a subwoofers system there is a PROS & CONS approach.
PROS: Two 12" subs more bass output.

CONS: limited space, big heavy box, more gas in your car for your heavy loads. Not to mention if your charging system could handle additional with the needed current and voltage to operate properly.

Try to envision what kind of system is enough for you to be required to put the pieces in your system. DONT BITE MORE THAN YOU COULD CHEW. Money wise is a must unless, total amount is not an option.

DYNAMAT is the best deadening for your car to reinforces your trunk to help reduces noise and rattles and dont forget also to use HushMat sealing caulk and tape to dampen noise in corners and hard to-reach areas. They dont come cheap so you better prepared to put a hole in your pocket.

[KrisKros]

I'm not really sure how much deadening would cost. But, for the trunk lid, I'd guess 2k+. And it would take only a few hours at most.

You CAN put 2 12" Targas ported if you go below the recommended box specs. But you will be losing potential of your subs. And you might get a different sound that you may not like. According to other "Targa people" 2.5cubic feet is the right size for a single ported Targa. Meaning..if you go 2 Targas..you're going to lose your trunk space.

Spare tire? I don't have one hehehe..it's unusable, so, I removed it. But, for big box users like myself, you have to remove the sub box, and lift up your trunk floor to get to the spare. But,if you think about it, you only use the spare tire a few times a year.

I'm using a 12" Targa DVC4. I'm over powering it actually hehe. I'm feeding it about 300-400 watts. But, if you feel the need to go for more power than 1 single Targa, then you can go for a 400-500watt single sub instead. But, sir, if you haven't heard a single Targa sub yet, I think you'd be surprised with its power, if powered correctly. When I'm at the mall parking lot, and I turn up the music, I can set off alarms with my single sub. Gumagapang siya talaga. I was driving to my titas house, and she said she could hear me coming from down the street.
Here's a vid I made a while testing out a new video camera...the camera can't pick up the lows, so it sounds distorted. But it isn't distorted like that when you actually hear it. This was before I setup my trunk, so it's kinda messy with the wirings
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7W6mriLyxlQ

[jojan]

Wow the master is here!!!

*james0207
Master Guru v6dreamer is right havng two SUBs is really a heavy load for your car... not to mention the size of the box you're goin to need...

In my Experience.. I hade my car lifted for an INCH for the ride height. but you'll feel a little bit discomforted.. ksi matigas na ang shocks mo nun.. also, 2 SLP woofers.. solid sa ruttle ng Trunk, right now I'm doing a front firing box with almost 5 cubic feet volume "free air ung 2 L7s ko...". almost exact amount of the box is 4.9 cubic feet. << kulang sa volume pro I hope
kakayanin na nito... parang type 2 or 3 box combined.. sana pumwede.. heheh...

regarding Deadendening.. inabot ung sakin ng 3-4k.. puno na ung trunk and ung sidings pati yung ibang lalagyanan ng spare tire... Dynamat is the best.. you can also try ung mga nabibili sa ACE hardware.. ung pang takip sa butas ng bubong... parang tape sya na parang ispalto ung pandikit...

PROS:lessen Rattle
CONS: Ang Bigat ng TRunk mo....

And also the thing i learned from PIONEER system.. Better to get ung mababang RMS/WATAGE sa AMP kesa sa SUBs.. to be safe...

Regarding Space? I suggest get a Dougnut <<"tama ba spelling?" heheh Tire for your spare.. malaking bagay un... lesser weigth ang space.

If kung mahihirapan ka mag saksak ng Box using two SUBs.. try to make 2 ported type 3 box.. isa isa mo silang ma ipapasok.. or unless you want to assemble your box inside your trunk... just like my new Box...

*james0207
Parehas pala tyong matigas ang ulo sa SUBs.. hehehe!!! If you have money.. invest on your AMPs.. un lang suggestion ko.. kesa mag invest ka sa SUBs...

SPL? masakit sa ulo yan.. kamukha ko... parating masakit ulo ko after a long sound trip.. heheh!!!

BTW: 149.6DB na nakukuha ko.. hehehe.. sana mapataas ko pa.. heheh!!!

[v6dreamer]

Jojan, now your talking. Learning is perfection. Im happy for you, now you could share to others too.

[james0207]

*kriskros

sir mron kpa rin ba backseat? or na occupy na nun sub un trunk tska backseat? omg! that's what i like setting off car alarms! haha :D

nag pa sound deadening ka rin po ba?

ayw ko muna mga branded kc m still learning pa po sainyo e :D

[KrisKros]

V6Dreamer is correct. If your alternator can't handle 2-3 amps and 2 subs..then you'd have to upgrade that. costing you maybe another 4k+. If you want great bass, 1 sub is good enough. In the future, if you want to upgrade, you can just upgrade 1 sub, instead of 2.

Yep! I still have a backseat. Sometimes when I ride alone, I flip down the backseat to get more "loudness". It just occupies my trunk.

Flashband i think..is what Jojan is referring to. Some like it, some don't like it. It really depends. But, when it comes to deadening, you should see it as an investment, if you're going to do it, do it right.

*Jojan
Ang lakas yan, 2 L7s hehe. 4.9CUbic Feet?? wowww... no more trunk space hehehe. So it was built in your trunk? Can you still remove your box? or is it fixed na?

[jojan]

v6dreamer is my teacher online... DAmi kong nalaman sa kanya... short info.. the best naman outcome... kaya nga Master Guru tawag ko sa kanya...

Konting EXP lang po pede kong i share as of now...

May extra 2 pcs L7 size 10 pa po ako.. try ko lagay sa Back seat.. removable naman ang type... sealed type naman... try ko combine ported and sealed... yun nga lang.. wala na makaksakay sa likot.. heheheh

*KrisKros
Fix na tong Box.. dipa nga tapos eh.. ayaw ko pang bayuhin kasi baka mabaklas ung pandikit.. heheh!!! Half of my trunk is already taken by the box... Pro, Flexi na sya.. sana lang gwapo kalalabasan.. kasi final run ko na ng box to... wala na kong pambili...

*james0207
About Deadendening... I suggest lagyan mo na nang branded.. kaso make it sure na malinis pagkaka lagay.. kasi mag aaksaya ka ng pera once na di mo nagustuhan ung alternative deadendener... pro why not try mo muna.. heheh.. pag medyo madumi pagkaka lagay.. there is alway a Fiber or Matings na pede mo syang itago.. para kasing mummified yung trunk mo nyan.. heheh

BTW: di lang sa Trunk nilalagay DEADENs pede ring sa mga Pintuan.. if you want to put SPL type SEPs...

Remember.. mas mabigat, mas malakas sa GAS!!!

[james0207]

*sir kriskros
sir is ur backseat customize? waaa! sakin kc hindi na fli-flip e...
regarding sound deadening... ako ba ggawa nun process na un? or ippasok ko sa shop un car?




grabbed ko lng po itong pic sa kotseaudioclub.com..

ganito sana...
mron xa spare tire n enough space sa trunk... not sure lang kung my backseat xa
*wla nga lang ako idea kung malakas bayo nito compared sa snailbox

*sir jojan
what do u mean by type seps?

tnx po sa lhat ng nagtuturo sakin!! really appreciate it