HELP: Couldn't Remove Rough Stuff from my Paint

[gwapster]

Hi detailing experts

I was unable to wash my car for more than 2 weeks, since the time when Ondoy was about to strike until today. Luckily I wasn't flooded during Ondoy, but when I was washing my car today, I noticed there's a lot of stubborn rough areas in the paint, as if a very sticky adhesive has just been lifted off the paint in some areas, especially upper portions of the car (hood, roof).

I already tried washing thoroughly with Meguiars NXT Car Wash, then re-applied some NXT Wax. I'm still disappointed at the results because the rough areas are still rough while the rest of the paint is already very slick. I even followed up the rough areas with Megs UQD, but nothing.

I suspect it was because of the rain water that stuck onto my paint and was never washed away for weeks, combined with the sticky humidity.

Will claying solve my problem? Or do I need to resort to polishes or some other treatments?

Please help. Thanks in advance.

[speed unlimited]

Bring it to Big Bert`s or any detailing shop for Analysis regarding your paint issue what to be done . They know more about it and encounter it many times that problem.

[gwapster]

Medyo ang daming nagpapa-detail ngayon sa mga shops (dahil ata sa Ondoy pa rin) kaya sana as much as possible I'd like to try what I can do by myself, with some advice from fellow tsikoteers, before I bring it to the pros.

[actor21]

gaas lang katapat nyan bro, ilagay mo sa spray bottle then spray mo gaas, leave it mga 5mins, then punasan mo matatanggal yan pero wag mo sisindihan ha?hehehehe

[Starex_Gold]

ang gaas, nakaka ubos ng clearcoat yan.

buy a Mother's Clay bar set.

includes 2 clays, QD and MF towel. just follow the instructions

[gwapster]

ang gaas, nakaka ubos ng clearcoat yan.

buy a Mother's Clay bar set.

includes 2 clays, QD and MF towel. just follow the instructions

I've been contemplating on this... gusto ko lang muna makasigurong this will solve my prob, kasi it's not a very cheap product.

Thanks for the tip.

[Starex_Gold]

I've been contemplating on this... gusto ko lang muna makasigurong this will solve my prob, kasi it's not a very cheap product.

Thanks for the tip.

no problem.

nung nag start yung rainy season, every 2 weeks akong nag clay ng car kasi talagang dumidikit ang mga dumi. basta wag mo masyado didiinan. light pressure lang bro. kasi baka mag cause yan ng heavy swirl marks

[gwapster]

And I thought I would not need to clay my car this early (wala pang one year old ang kotse ko). Before this, it never got dirt this sticky. I never even had to shampoo the car before. Alaga kasi ito before sa Megs UQD twice a week, and then NXT 2.0 every month. Kaso nung pina-repair ko yung nakaskas na paint ng bumper ko, hindi ko nalinis ng matagal... ayun ang inabot.

[Starex_Gold]

akin din naman eh. nung mag clay ako sa FD, 7 months old palang at yung Optra naman, 3 months newly painted palang.

di naman kasi namimili ng kakapitan ang dumi. kahit bago o luma.

anong ride mo sir?

[gwapster]

Lancer EX. 6 months old pa lang. Buti na lang hindi naman halata yung nakadikit na dumi, unless padadaanan ng kamay.

[Starex_Gold]

wow EX! :clap: GT-A sir?

sadyang ganun. di halata unless daanan ng kamay. pero may mga contaminants yan na pwedeng maka sira ng paint so dapat ma clay mo na. sabi kasi sa box, do claying every 6 months. pero minsan kung kailangan na talaga, kahit di naman sundin.

siguro black yung sayo? kasi NXT is for dark colored cars

[gwapster]

MX lang sir, hindi GT-A. Swerte ko nakabili pa ako ng MX bago maubos ang stocks (phased out na ata dahil hindi nabibili before ang GLS/GLX dahil konti lang price diff ng MX).

Saka hindi black, yung Platinum Beige sa akin, kaya mas lalong hindi halata ang dumi sa unang tingin.

As for reason for choosing NXT Wax, parang sa lighter colors ata hindi masyado kailangan ang mga carnauba dahil hindi naturally "deep" or "rich" ang kulay na ito compared sa black and red. At least since synthetic yung NXT, glossy sobra yung paint ko kahit light colored. Parang nakabalot ng plastic or nail polish, sabi nung officemates ko. Hehehe.

Sabi ng friends ko ipa-buffing ko daw, pero I think claying is much much safer.

Mothers ba sir ang ginagamit mong pang-clay?

[madkatz]

If its on the bottom part of the car, chances are its asphalt, you can remove it by using kerosene, but i won't leave it for 5 minutes, i usually just spray it and wait till the kerosene melts away the asphalt and then wipe it off and wash that part again to make sure there's no more kerosene left

If its on the sides and paint panels, chances are you're up for claybar already, i've tried Megs smooth surface claykit and Mother's claykit as well as a claybar i got from bigberts. Both Megs and Mothers are good kits usually Megs at 1400php and Mothers at 1295 php. Both Megs and Mothers are soft clays easily to knead and mold but i find them to be a bit runny when soaked with too much QD or if you're towards the last few panels, Big Berts claybar (700 i think-clay only) is a lot tougher, would really work you out just to knead and mold it. What i usually do is use Megs or Mothers, either would do to clean the general area and then use Big Berts to clean those tougher spots, usually the bottom part. All 3 clays really do a good job of removing particles but my Megs right now is really really soft and runny, Mothers still the same, Big berts still tough but the good thing is its also tough on removing particles.

claying first before trying to buff it out is definitely safer

if you are just starting i would recommend you go with Mothers clay kit if you want the extra clay, mothers has 2x 80 grams clay bars i think while Megs only has 2x 50 grams, but the good thing about Megs is that the MF cloth included in the kit is definitely bigger than mothers, really big difference, and Megs has an included kit for storing your clay which is good as i have to use a small lock N lock container for my mother's clay. so if you want more clay go for mothers if you want a really big MF cloth go for Megs

Hope this helps

[Starex_Gold]

may MF towel din na kasama ang New Mother's Clay Bar Kit.

IMO, better na bumili ka nalang ng MarkV CitraSolv asphalt remover. mas safe yan gamitin sa kerosene. kasi kahit less than 5 minutes mo inapply yung kerosene, makaka harm parin yan ng top coat ng paint mo.

eto yung new mother's clay bar kit:


syempre di halata dito kung na clay o hinde pero gusto ko lang sana i share yung last detail ko before humagupit si ondoy



ginawa ko: wash>clay>wash>mother's sealer and glaze>mother's carnauba wax

[gwapster]

*madkatz and Starex_Gold,

Thanks for all your advice.

Finally I got to clay the car, and I'm very happy with the results! Finally it's smoother than I could remember it ever was. I never clayed before, and now I'm a believer in claybar.

Inabot nga lang ako ng almost 2 hours. I know, I'm much slower than the experts, hehe. Anyway, inabot na ako ng past midnight, so hindi ko na muna na rewax. Pagdating ko bukas from work, NXT Wax ko kaagad.

May added protection kaya kahit paano ang Showtime Instant Detailer na ginamit kong pang-clay? Sana naman hindi masayang ang effort ko kapag nilabas ko ang kotse tomorrow for work. I suspect kasi na na-strip off na ang NXT Wax ko nung nag-clay ako, so for one whole day walang wax ang paint ko bukas. Ganun nga ba yun?

Btw, *Starex_Gold, ganda ng pagka-detail mo. I wish darker color na lang binili kong Lancer, para masarap gawing mirror finish. Yung effect kasi pag sa Beige ay parang binalot lang ng candy coating... very glossy finish pero di kasing "deep". Although simula nung na-clay ko, mas malinaw ang reflection.

[madkatz]

Haha, i've clayed numerous times already and it still takes me about 1 1/2 hour to clay an SUV, Probably because i also form and shape the clay those get those hard to reach crevices.

As for the Showtime Instant Detailer, i don't think it could offer protection though, sad to say that, but in some ways it might help in cleaning your car again, i had a similar scenario one time when i was claying but didn't have enough time to get to step 1, so what i did was leave the car, get back to it the next day, used California Duster to remove dusts and boy was i impressed, the dusts just seems to glide off, i think the lubricating properties of the detailer was still there, i washed it again the next day and the dusts seem to just foat off even with just water, dried the car then applied a wax and sealant combo.

i think this would be your safest best, to wash it first and then wax it after.

[karuro]

Mga sir may naka-try na po ba sa inyo ng Turtle Wax ICE Clay kit?

http://www.turtlewax.com/main.taf?p=2,1,1,4

Parang "liquid" clay daw sya so mas madali gamitin sa kotse.. any feedback?

[Starex_Gold]

gwapster, share ko yung pag clay ko. ang ginagawa kong lubricant ay mix of water and car shampoo. di naman nasisira yung clay. kasi pag QD, magastos, mahal ang QD ah tapos after claying, i wash ko ulit yung car para maalis talaga yung mga dirts, small stones, at contaminants.

clay will REALLY STRIP OFF your wax bro. better wash mo ulit muna (kahit di mo na i shampoo) bago i wax kasi medyo maalikabok na yan. kasi dapat malinis talaga before waxing

[gwapster]

Thanks for all the advice, as usual.

The next day na-applyan ko rin agad ng NXT Techwax after re-washing. Ayun, kintab na. In fact it seems shinier than it ever was before. Sulit ang pagod ko sa pag-clay.

[Chikselog]

Wow..this kinda motivated me to buy that clay kit, well maybe in a few months..mahal eh
Ang gaspang na rin kasi nung sa amin, halos kapareho na nung "Feel the difference" sa box ng clay kit ng mother's though maliliit pa lang na rough particles yung sa tsikot namin.. At siguro kaya hindi ganoon katagal tumatagal yung mother's step 3..

The key pala talaga is paint prepping to make the wax life long and mas makintab na kintab