Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[jmpet626]

Sana nga bisita ako, kaya lang dito ako sa south ng Pinas, hehe. Kaya hanggang internet nalang ang eb, haha.

Medyo may kamahalan talaga ang Zaino pero sulit na sulit. Kahapon umulan dito, naputikan yung sidings. Pagdating sa bahay hose down lang dumudulas lang ang dumi. Then water drying lang. Parang walang nangyari, makintab ulit. Di ko pa to naranasan sa ibang sealant, kahit sa Wolfgang.

Kaya lang ang disadvantage sa pag dedetailing, eh parang ayaw mo nang gamitin yung kotse pag na detail na, haha. Imagine yung sa akin daily driver na black pa. Masama talagang ma addict sa detailing haha.

Thanks for the compliments and invitation to eb.

San ba maganda umorder ng zaino? Sa LAzaino.com walang online ordering..

[madkatz]

San ba maganda umorder ng zaino? Sa LAzaino.com walang online ordering..

i think thats the best place to order already if you're in california, although you still have to pay taxes since its within the same state, just ring them up and they'll ask you for information and how you can wire transfer the payment to them and then they'll ship it to you of course the shipping would be cheaper since its within Cali, you can also ask them to send the bill to your paypal. The current Zaino products we've selling here along with the upcoming Zaino boxes we ordered was coursed through our friend which is a local reseller/detailer in the US, so if you're ordering for personnal use better stick to LAzaino around 2 years ago we ordered 2 Z2 and 2 Z5 we only got charged 7$ for shipping and thats next day delivery already, if its for reselling we've already tried to contact Zaino in NJ and we were directed to the distributor in Singapore which ended up costing a lot more than getting it from the US, so it all goes back to Lazaino.

[electone]

San ba maganda umorder ng zaino? Sa LAzaino.com walang online ordering..

I ordered twice, the first time from Singapore, (email brian*autorage.com.sg). I ordered Z5Pro, ZFX, and Z6 from them. At that time they didn't have Z2Pro, Z7, Z8, and Z-AIO which I subsequently ordered from zainostore.com but had it shipped to my sister in CA who in turn shipped it to me.

It was an expensive process. I didn't know about LAzaino.com at that time. It pays to ask. Lesson learned.

Oh BTW, I almost forgot. I tried ordering from zaino in UK and another store in the U.S. of which the name escapes me at the moment. They won't ship the Z2 internationally because it's against airline and international regulations. So I ordered from zainostore.com and had it ground shipped to my sister in CA, who in turn shipped the unopened box (of car care products, as declared) to me via USPS.

[electone]

The current Zaino products we've selling here along with the upcoming Zaino boxes we ordered was coursed through our friend which is a local reseller/detailer in the US...

You mean you're selling Zaino products? If I had known this I would have ordered from you.

Ma'm madkatz, have you tried Zaino Clear Seal? If yes, how would you rate it?

[Nik]

*mam madkatz if may stocks po kayo pwede po pa PM sakin ng price po ng z5 and zfx.. TIA

[madkatz]

I ordered twice, the first time from Singapore, (email brian*autorage.com.sg). I ordered Z5Pro, ZFX, and Z6 from them. At that time they didn't have Z2Pro, Z7, Z8, and Z-AIO which I subsequently ordered from zainostore.com but had it shipped to my sister in CA who in turn shipped it to me.

It was an expensive process. I didn't know about LAzaino.com at that time. It pays to ask. Lesson learned.

Oh BTW, I almost forgot. I tried ordering from zaino in UK and another store in the U.S. of which the name escapes me at the moment. They won't ship the Z2 internationally because it's against airline and international regulations. So I ordered from zainostore.com and had it ground shipped to my sister in CA, who in turn shipped the unopened box (of car care products, as declared) to me via USPS.

I think if you also order from the US to any Asia Pacific country the charges would be higher because they really try to make you order through their worldwide regional partners, before, years ago we even tried to get bulk discounts by ordering boxes of Z2 Z5 and ZFX but they really wanted us to order from SG, so thats why we had no choice but to also order it from the US and have it shipped here, As for the regulations you really can ship Z2 and Z5 pro via normal air shipment because its flammable, you also can't hand carry it on the plane because its flammable, had to lose 3 bottles of all 3 products to learn that lesson since there's always a first time for everything, you really need to ship is via special air shipment that declares it as a hazardous chemical its more expensive because of the measures they have to undergo to make sure the chemicals won't react under varrying pressure and i believe it really has to be un-opened and requires a special container for it

[madkatz]

You mean you're selling Zaino products? If I had known this I would have ordered from you.

Ma'm madkatz, have you tried Zaino Clear Seal? If yes, how would you rate it?

Hahaha yup we did sell them before and are still selling them but we recently ran out of their popular products thats why we have another shipment coming up its just half a box each, but to be really REALLY honest a lot of people find Zaino very expensive and since you also need to factor in ZFX in the solution to achieve its maximum potential at 5 coats unlike KSG which only requires at most 3 layers and then its up to another layer of sealant, this brings one 8oz bottle of Z2 pro and ZFX to around the same price as 16oz of KAIO and KSG each! So people really find Zaino expensive if not it wouldn't have taken a long time to sell these and we would have chosen Zaino as the sealant of choice for our details, we opted for more economically priced sealants like KSG, Opti-seal and 4*.

Hmmm ZCS is a lot like 4-star UPG and Opti-seal if you ask me, its something slightly below Blackfire but definitely lasts a little longer, its also like Z5 in terms of looks which makes the paint very reflective, Which do you prefer more if i may ask Z2 or Z5? did you notice their difference?

[madkatz]

*mam madkatz if may stocks po kayo pwede po pa PM sakin ng price po ng z5 and zfx.. TIA

Hehe sorry but our last bottle went with Meds69 it actually had some Zaino in it thats why its very glossy and reflective hahaha but i'll let you know once the new ones arrive, but if i were you i would still invest on KAIO and KSG, these would really be a great investment not to mention its very economical and KAIO is one of the best cleaner sealants out there.

[madkatz]

You mean you're selling Zaino products? If I had known this I would have ordered from you.

Ma'm madkatz, have you tried Zaino Clear Seal? If yes, how would you rate it?

oh yeah one other thought about ZCS is that its basically a good topper but not really as durable and as good as a pure sealant, the results always seem to vary, we have done some cars where ZCS lasted longer and some where Z2 lasted longer but usually it is used as a topper Also with its price i would just get myself another bottle of Z2 or Z5 with ZFX and then just layer again rather than just top it, its very easy to use but the price is too much for the results it produces, this would be the lazy mans sealant.

[madkatz]

i'm very much contemplating to get myself acquainted with sealants... got inspired last week when master Ed used the carlack combo on my trunk..

Ms Madkatz, would you kindly share some useful tips in paint preparation?

TIA!

Proper Paint prep would entail

1. Washing and removing fall outs and asphalts
2. Claying
3. Correcting the paint if needed
4. Pre-wax Cleaning
5. Glazing ( Acrylic or urethane based is recommended )

[madkatz]

Yes, ms madkatz. I used ZFX for every coat, with Z6 in between.

Speaking of paint prep, yes this paint is 90% swirl free. However, it wasn't wet sanded, and that's what I'm amazed with because I never thought any LSP could achieve this DOI on a factory painted surface with orange peel. I noticed that Toyotas and Hondas have more or less flatter paints but GM really has orange peel. And the paint is tough to correct.

Thanks for the encouragement.

GM cars really have a thick and durable clear coat, i would actually be glad if my car has orange peels because it means i still have a lot of clear coat to play with, yota's and honda's have a flatter paint because they also have thinner paint, GM's clear is tough to correct and honestly oxidizes faster than jap clear coats but what i like about their clear coat is even though it oxidixes faster only the outer layer gets damaged, you could still buff it to reveal a very good shine its like only the outermost layer gets oxidized and since its tough it fares better in terms of correction although it takes more time to correct hard clear coat, its definitely easier to create a hologram free result with hard clears.

[madkatz]

Thanks bro watusi and ms. madkatz. Definitely I will get myself those washing materials
Ms. Madkatz, since there are already swirls, how will I be able to correct them, as I read NanoGlos has filling properties, would this help in hiding the swirls and spiderwebs? How many coats should I apply and curing time? After NanoGlos ano ang magandang kasunod? Sorry for asking too many questions...

Thanks so much again!!!

Yes the filling properties will hide swirls and spiderwebs, with Nano Glos Maximum filling is achieved with 2 layers cured 4 hours in between, After Nano Glos Collinites are a great combo whats the color of your car BTW?

[madkatz]

so ma'm ang step is NXT then Sapphire?or Sapphire then NXT? or sagad sagadan na..NANO GLOS+SAPPHIRE+NXT?? Kintab ang habol ko naman ngayun ma'm..solve na ako sa protection ng Sapphire..

nakakaaddict ang detailing..seryoso..hehe

If it will be on a silver, like i said before you could stop with Sapphire, Nano Glos for filling, NXT can also fill but Nano Glos is slightly better, so fill it first before you apply Sapphire, again don't put too much pressure with Sapphire to avoid removing the fillers and then stop there, NXT is great for dark colored cars not much on silvers and whites

[madkatz]

Hala, di pala madali gamitin ang SwirlX? Mam can you share kung paano po ang tamang way ng pag-apply nito? I'm about to buy this soon po kasi and I'm applying it by hand. Thanks.


I agree with this. Kahapon ng umaga kala ko talaga natanggal ko yung pinatong kong 476 pero nung pauwi na ako pansin ko may beading na ulit ng konti.

I'll just observe na lang in the coming days. I'm not 100% sure yet if natanggal ko talaga yung coating ko ng 476. Sobrang mabilisang application lang kasi yung 476. 30 minutes whole car na!

Haha drop by edwins place and he will teach it to you first hand, its very hard to describe it via forums but as i've told you before, proper product working time is required to achieve great results, but for the best results you should try and apply it yourself while edwin watches and guides you and then check with the Halogen if you created a swirl free finish.

Hey let us know if the mix turns out great. or what the sealants effect is, if it doesn't we'll put on another layer of sealant this time a pure non mixed sealant with 915 hehehe, we just really needed to test out some new idea's i didn't know he really went ahead with it

[madkatz]

Sana nga bisita ako, kaya lang dito ako sa south ng Pinas, hehe. Kaya hanggang internet nalang ang eb, haha.

Medyo may kamahalan talaga ang Zaino pero sulit na sulit. Kahapon umulan dito, naputikan yung sidings. Pagdating sa bahay hose down lang dumudulas lang ang dumi. Then water drying lang. Parang walang nangyari, makintab ulit. Di ko pa to naranasan sa ibang sealant, kahit sa Wolfgang.

Kaya lang ang disadvantage sa pag dedetailing, eh parang ayaw mo nang gamitin yung kotse pag na detail na, haha. Imagine yung sa akin daily driver na black pa. Masama talagang ma addict sa detailing haha.

Thanks for the compliments and invitation to eb.

Well Zaino really makes the paint really slick, too slick most contaminants really won't stick, also too slick you'd have a hard time opening the door hahaha, but sometimes we still prefer WG DGPS better because of its darkening effect Z products are mainly focused on crystal clear reflections and we also noticed WG DGPS and Z products doesn't play well together so if its reflections Z is one of our top choices and if its warmth and depth WG DGPS is one of the few that takes the cake.

[madkatz]

mga boss, ano ba ang mas less aggresive between Mothers Step 1 and Megs Swirlx? 3M scratch remover aggresive na ba masyado yun? plano ko tanggalin watermarks sa trunk ko using the less aggresive product muna sana eh.

OT: plan ko rin ipaint yung mudguard ko na flat black plastic. ano po dapat ko gamitin na grit ng sandpaper before primer, after primer, at after base coat? wala kasi akong alam sa grits ng sandpaper eh. thanks!

Megs SwirlX is more aggressive than Step 1, 3m Scratch remover as JM said is like liquid sandpaper, you could even feel the grit by hand and its definitely very aggressive, do this if you drop by Ace or Handyman take a sachet of Scratch Remover and Heavy Duty Compound, squeeze the sachet and feel both their grits you could say its pretty much the same.

For exteriors 1000 to 1500 grit are advisable but since its mudguard you could use 320 to 500 grit

[madkatz]

Boys,

Nasulatan ng ballpen ng anak yung leather seats ng auto ko? Kaya ba to tanggalin thru detailing?

TIA

Try using good old EVOO, if not try a dye safe all purpose cleaner, Are the leather dyed or leatherette? or genuine leather?

[jmpet626]

i think thats the best place to order already if you're in california, although you still have to pay taxes since its within the same state, just ring them up and they'll ask you for information and how you can wire transfer the payment to them and then they'll ship it to you of course the shipping would be cheaper since its within Cali, you can also ask them to send the bill to your paypal. The current Zaino products we've selling here along with the upcoming Zaino boxes we ordered was coursed through our friend which is a local reseller/detailer in the US, so if you're ordering for personnal use better stick to LAzaino around 2 years ago we ordered 2 Z2 and 2 Z5 we only got charged 7$ for shipping and thats next day delivery already, if its for reselling we've already tried to contact Zaino in NJ and we were directed to the distributor in Singapore which ended up costing a lot more than getting it from the US, so it all goes back to Lazaino.

Thanks, naka order na ko ZFX, Z5 at Z2... Need pa ba ng ZAIO for paint prep? Nakalimutan ko kasi i order hehehe. Also pwede naman sa checked luggage yung Z2?

[rico_g]

Haha drop by edwins place and he will teach it to you first hand, its very hard to describe it via forums but as i've told you before, proper product working time is required to achieve great results, but for the best results you should try and apply it yourself while edwin watches and guides you and then check with the Halogen if you created a swirl free finish.

Hey let us know if the mix turns out great. or what the sealants effect is, if it doesn't we'll put on another layer of sealant this time a pure non mixed sealant with 915 hehehe, we just really needed to test out some new idea's i didn't know he really went ahead with it

*Migs... If you plan to drop by the dojo over the weekend, let me know... nakasweldo na... so may pambili na ko ng Swirl X... need to learn how to apply it as well...

[air23]

thanks jmpet626 and madkatz!