Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[jmpet626]

wow pwede pala ma strip and sealant and wax separately. How do you determine if there is still sealant underneath and you have totally remvoed the wax?

[watusi]

If you're looking for a promo from Autobisyo, send me a pm, i might be able to get the 915 a little less for you, but you still have to meet up with Jerome, i could just tell him to give you our discount instead.

With regards to the 915, you got PM

Yes it is ok to layer waxes and sealants as long as the following conditions have been met

1. The toughest always goes in first

example = if you put on a Collinite first then put on a lesser durable wax like most OTC waxes or spray waxes then it should be ok, what you shouldn't do ( well not really recommended ) is when you apply OTC waxes (especially the oily ones ) first and then top it with Collinite.

As for some waxes like Nano Glos and EO Nano Wax, these waxes could be layered first before Collinite because 1. they are not that oily that waxes can still bond on top of them ( take note waxes only ) and 2. they could act as fillers to the paint to hide imperfections before covering it with Collinite. You could use a glaze for that part but most glazes are oily preventing proper bonding. As for those 2 waxes you still need to wait for the cure time to finish before applying Collinite.

ok, will keep this in mind, more durable waxes first before less durable ones

2. Always follow cure time
Waxes = allow to cure for 4 to 8 hours to completely dry to accept the next layer
sealants = allow to cure for 24 to 48 hours to completely dry to accept the next layer

If my car gets dusty during the curing time, what is the best way to go?

1. just dust off the dust with the cali duster (will the parafin wax have an effect in the bonding of the wax which i will apply later) or
2. wash the car again
3. wipe with QD??

If it gets rained on, i guess i have to wash the entire car again.

3. Make sure the layer you are putting on is compatible with the layer before

Waxes can always bond with sealants because of their chemical nature but sealant will have a hard time bonding with waxes, so if you will layer a sealant, be sure to finish all the sealant layers you want to put on before moving on to the wax layer, no mixing and matching at this point.

noted, sealants first then waxes

As for stripping off waxes, it would be advisable to strip off old layers of waxes and sealant every so often so that you could put on a fresh layer of sealant or wax on top of a freshly cleaned paint. Every 6 months is advisable for removing old layers of sealants and waxes

the benefits of practicing this is

1. Maximum bonding of paint protection to the paint
2. Removal of embedded contaminants
3. Prevention of stubborn wax and sealant build ups that can actually cause hazing and blurring ( this is caused usually by oxidized waxes )
4. Enhances the gloss of the paint by removing oxidized paint and grits in between defects crevices.

there are 5 ways i know that can remove layers of wax and sealants

1. Claying
2. Polishing/compounding
3. Pre-wax cleaners/cleaner waxes
4. Citrus Degreaser wash down
5. Asphalt removal

thank you for enlightening me. I might go with claying for now because even after washing the car, the paint feels rough. I'll use a prewax next time.

But its not a necessity, actually if you layer multiple sealants and waxes, its also advised to make the most out of the multiple layers before you strip them down.

ok, i'll strip it down every 6 months so that I can maximize the layers i will be putting. i'll just do a fortnight topup?

It would be best to wash the car again to ensure proper bonding since Showtime contains oils, there are only some QD's out there that can be used prior to waxing, a cheap and efficient one is BB's Red Carpet QD, you could really feel the paint clean and oil free after using their QD.

noted wow!! im learning a lot of stuff!!!

Yes you could use Nano Sliq as a clay lubricant but you also have to wash it after since it also contains some oils, ONR is a good clay lubricant thats very economical

anyone selling ONR locally? or someone willing to sell me theirs?

There are some exemptions to that rule and those are filler heavy waxes that doesn't have that much oils, Actually 915 can already fill some swirls but Nano Glos just does a better job, so if you could wait for Nano Glos to cure for 8 hours then putting 915 on top wouldn't be a problem, but if you use Step 3 first and 915 on top, even after 8 hours you're gonna notice the 915 fall a little short on durability, and that combo is great.

which combo is great?, the Nano+915 or the Step 3+915? I guess that the Moms step 3 isn't that oily right?

As for which products you need, i would highly suggest you just wait for a scheduled detailing seminar so that you could see which products works best for you, and its always free to try and im sure the people attending would be very much willing to share their products and tips, so to answer the other question yes there's a high chance that there would still be another detailing seminar if there's is a demand and if my BF is free, if you want you could actually try to organize a meet up or you can contact PSI or send him a PM, its quite easy to arrange a detail meet up actually, its just a matter of setting the date so my BF can reserve that sunday, provided he's not scheduled with me hehehe but this month was pretty free for him, or if PSI's not available you could contact him directly just send me a pm and i'll send you his number, just try to get around 4 to 5 people and cars so that its well worth the effort.

Wow, free seminar!! If there will be one, I'd love to attend. Im not so sure if I can gather a group of 5 people though, i'll just wait for a notice here.

[watusi]

watusi, nice bbcode quoting there. ONR is Optimum No Rinse Car Wash. you gotta hand it to Optimum, their products are versatile.

haha, im doing that kind of quoting so that I can make my own Q&A, hehe

Yup, i just read that the Optimum No Rinse is very versatile in terms of usage. Do you know someone who sells that locally?

[watusi]

watusi,

strip the sealant and wax separately. every 6 months for the sealant, up to you how often to strip wax. this is where the method you use gets tricky cos you might inadvertently strip the sealant when you only want to strip the wax. know thy detailing products.

some people also use citrus wash or diluted dishwashing soap

don't worry too much about thinning your clearcoat, you have 5 or more compounding sessions 'til it's in danger. the prewax cleaner is lighter than a rubbing compound as long as you're not hand rubbing it heavily or using a rough applicator/buffer. AND if the CC does fail.. Opti-coat.

isopropyl alcohol (IPA) wipedown is at 1:1 dilution. use more IPA when wet. some use IPA straight.

oh, so if i have a sealant topped with wax in my car, I can just strip off the wax without stripping the sealant?

Citrus wash and diluted dishwashing soap can remove the wax but can it remove the sealant?

[watusi]

wow pwede pala ma strip and sealant and wax separately. How do you determine if there is still sealant underneath and you have totally remvoed the wax?

+1 on this question

[Starex_Gold]

Guys, especially miss madkatz, Need Advise.

Paano aalagaan ang paint nito?
- No Garage
- Carwash only (kasi wala nga naman garage, at wala pa siya mga car washing tools)



Nakaka awa lang talaga yang Tucson ng friend ko. Gustong gusto niyang alaga yung paint pero hindi ako makapag suggest. Alam kong mas magaling kayo. Thanks In Advance.

[jmpet626]

*SG

Yung jazz ko 24x7 sa labas parati naka park. Ang kawawang part is yung roof at hood. Daming duming kumakapit na hindi kaya tanggalin ng wash lang. Need pang i clay yung paint atleast once every 2 months. Paint sealants like Klasse/carlack AIO at KSG para durable at available dito locally. Kung sa car wash siya much better kung bibili siya ng sarili niyang wash mitt at drying towel at dalhin na lang niya sa car wash para iwas scratches and swirls.

Eto 1/4th pa lang ng roof ng jazz and after washing.. dami dumi kagand natanggal ng clay

[Starex_Gold]

Damn. I guess kailangan niya ng Pang-Big Berts nito. Or kahit ako nalang gumawa.. pero syempre may bayad din. Haha

Almost 2 months palang yung sa kanya. Pero sa tingin ko matindi na yung mga contaminants dyan. Lalo na dahil rainy season pa. Napansin ko ang dami na rin mga talsik ng asphalt.

[dotnetmatt]

*SG

Yung jazz ko 24x7 sa labas parati naka park. Ang kawawang part is yung roof at hood. Daming duming kumakapit na hindi kaya tanggalin ng wash lang. Need pang i clay yung paint atleast once every 2 months. Paint sealants like Klasse/carlack AIO at KSG para durable at available dito locally. Kung sa car wash siya much better kung bibili siya ng sarili niyang wash mitt at drying towel at dalhin na lang niya sa car wash para iwas scratches and swirls.

Eto 1/4th pa lang ng roof ng jazz and after washing.. dami dumi kagand natanggal ng clay

boss jm saan nakakabilis ng KAIO and KSG and how much? thanks

[madkatz]

so the rule of thumb is always strip the old wax or sealant before applying a new coat?

So stripping the old layer of wax or sealant can be done by either of the following??

1. wash the cash using a higher concentration of car shampoo
2. using a pre-wax cleaner (max of 2 times a year)
3. claying (can be used as often as possible)
4. Alcohol Wipe down (do I apply this when the car is wet or dry?)

higher concentration of shampoo doesn't always work, it depends on the wax and sealant, there are some waxes that are detergent proof and most sealants are detergent proof

Alcohol - i use pure alcohol to strip down wax and most still stays intact but on the OTC waxes yes they get stripped by alcohol

[x_jason_x]

Guys saan may available wash and wax using Collinite 476s sa Manila? I called up Big Berts, wala pa daw sila stock ng 476s.

[madkatz]

watusi,

strip the sealant and wax separately. every 6 months for the sealant, up to you how often to strip wax. this is where the method you use gets tricky cos you might inadvertently strip the sealant when you only want to strip the wax. know thy detailing products.

some people also use citrus wash or diluted dishwashing soap

don't worry too much about thinning your clearcoat, you have 5 or more compounding sessions 'til it's in danger. the prewax cleaner is lighter than a rubbing compound as long as you're not hand rubbing it heavily or using a rough applicator/buffer. AND if the CC does fail.. Opti-coat.

isopropyl alcohol (IPA) wipedown is at 1:1 dilution. use more IPA when wet. some use IPA straight.

Using Citrus degreaser works well for me with regards to stripping wax without stripping the sealant, its a little expensive for me though hehehe, Dawn or Joy could also strip about 80% of waxes out there, just make sure its extra concentrated not just the typical bubbly solution

Actually with regards to compounding, i guess it really differs, i've just detailed a black FD and the sides are already starting to thin out and show signs of striking thru, in the mean time i really can't say im aggressive in compounding because i've compounded my car twice and detailed again by BB and it still has lots of orange peels so it really boils down to the paint, but if its a Jazz hehe just be sure to be careful

[jed_015]

dahil sa thread na ito natutuwa ako sa mga natututunan ko..kahit na hindi ko muna iaapply kasi silver yung sasakyan namin wala masyadong effect katulad ng black,blue..salamat sa mga info na binibigay niyo..

[madkatz]

wow pwede pala ma strip and sealant and wax separately. How do you determine if there is still sealant underneath and you have totally remvoed the wax?

Well its kinda hard to determine but if you really know your products that well you should, mainly the difference lies with the looks and the beading, waxes tend to bead, sealant tends to sheet, and there's also a difference with the way water behaves on both, except for some sealants that bead like crazy

[madkatz]

*watusi


Q=If my car gets dusty during the curing time, what is the best way to go?

A=Use a not so oily QD to remove the dusts

Q=If it gets rained on, i guess i have to wash the entire car again.

A=Yes

Q=ok, i'll strip it down every 6 months so that I can maximize the layers i will be putting. i'll just do a fortnight topup?

A=Yes

Q=anyone selling ONR locally? or someone willing to sell me theirs?

A=My BF sells them locally, you could also try asking JM

Q=which combo is great?, the Nano+915 or the Step 3+915?

A=i would go with Nano + 915 because of Nano's filling capabilities and if you ask around some people have had great results with Nano Glos

Q=I guess that the Moms step 3 isn't that oily right?

A=compared to Nano Glos Step 3 has more oil content

Wow, free seminar!! If there will be one, I'd love to attend. Im not so sure if I can gather a group of 5 people though, i'll just wait for a notice here.

It think there's some people around here thats also interested i think you just have to set up a date with my BF and post who's attending here

[madkatz]

haha, im doing that kind of quoting so that I can make my own Q&A, hehe

Yup, i just read that the Optimum No Rinse is very versatile in terms of usage. Do you know someone who sells that locally?

Its a very versatile product, it can be used as a Rinseless wash, a clay lubricant, a waterless wash and a cleaning QD

Like i've mentioned above ask my BF and JM, or you could try coming to a detailing seminar first to see if you really like the product.

[madkatz]

Guys, especially miss madkatz, Need Advise.

Paano aalagaan ang paint nito?
- No Garage
- Carwash only (kasi wala nga naman garage, at wala pa siya mga car washing tools)



Nakaka awa lang talaga yang Tucson ng friend ko. Gustong gusto niyang alaga yung paint pero hindi ako makapag suggest. Alam kong mas magaling kayo. Thanks In Advance.

1. Your best bet to protect the paint would be to use a sealant, KSG is one of the most durable out there thats also available locally, it falls short compared with some of the worlds best sealant but it can put up its own weight against them in terms of durability

2. Follow regular detailing regimen, like prewax cleaner and claying every 6 months, but if it doesn't have a garage you could do it 3 times a year so thats every 4 months

3. Since its white its very prone to get stained by environmental contaminants so have the owner bring a small QD bottle and a clean MF just in case tweetie bird mistakes it for a toilet.

4. Regular washing can prevent contaminants to bond to the paint, you see there are some contaminants that can easily be washed out by soap and water but when left for a long time in the paint, they start to stick to the paint making it harder to remove them the longer they stay there, so washing the car regularly definitely helps in keeping in clean

5. Regular waxing, if its outside waxing every 2 weeks is a good idea, layering sealants everytime you zero out and strip every off the paint is also a great idea

6. Like JM said its also a great idea to have that person buy a washmitt and a drying towel to be used for cleaning the paint, whether he does it personally or he hands it to the local carwash boy and have him do it, its also equally important to watch how they use the products, i've had an incident where i brought a washmitt and a drying towel to a carwash shop nearby and as i was reading the magazine, i heard a very high squeak noise, my jaw dropped when i heard it because im very familiar with that sound, the sound of a rubber chamois screeching against my paint, and when i looked around i saw my washmitt on the floor, i never came back to that place again, so better to also check that they are doing, it doesn't mean that you lend them the tools they'll use it.

Since its white i also recommend having it machine buffed with a cleaner wax every 4 months, the cleaning abilities of the cleaner wax coupled with the machines power can really remove a lot of stains, i've tried Collinite Liquid Sapphire pre-wax cleaner with a light cutting pad on a porter cable and have had great results, its one of the cheapest combo's i know that always yields great results on whites.

[madkatz]

Guys saan may available wash and wax using Collinite 476s sa Manila? I called up Big Berts, wala pa daw sila stock ng 476s.

Thats one thing i also find weird, the local distributor of Collinite here said he gave BB a couple of cans for the shop but i guess you'll just have to buy one can and have BB apply it for you, its still on sale while supplies last for only 700 from jerome/autobisyo although i've heard its gonna end soon

[watusi]

Guys, especially miss madkatz, Need Advise.

Paano aalagaan ang paint nito?
- No Garage
- Carwash only (kasi wala nga naman garage, at wala pa siya mga car washing tools)



Nakaka awa lang talaga yang Tucson ng friend ko. Gustong gusto niyang alaga yung paint pero hindi ako makapag suggest. Alam kong mas magaling kayo. Thanks In Advance.

ask him to browse a couple pages of this thread.....he'll get hooked in detailing for sure, hehe. that's what happened with me

a car cover might help

[watusi]

Ashphalt removal, Clay, Moms Step 1, Alcohol Wipe down and 2 coats of Klasse S&G. 12 hours inbetween coats

nice job boss! i know where this photo was taken, do you live nearby? if yes, we're neighbors! hehe, sorry OT